11 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

It's been investigated ad nauseum man. Over decades. Trump has been beating this drum since 2020 and they have found exactly 1 case of an illegal voting. You don't think they could find something more than that if it was a widespread problem? Really?

As for "why not", that's simple. As long as those IDs cost money it violates the 24th amendment. You can't put a financial barrier between a citizen voting. No matter how trivial you find it personally.

And even if they were free, they need to be sent to every person for free. You can’t expect people who are disabled and can’t drive to come to some govt building to pick it up. That’s also 24th protection.

10 minutes ago, DBW said:

And even if they were free, they need to be sent to every person for free. You can’t expect people who are disabled and can’t drive to come to some govt building to pick it up. That’s also 24th protection.

Hopefully those people are still protected under mail-in voting. Do they have to present ID somehow too?

20 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

he's soooooo f'ng stupid. 😅

3 minutes ago, Paul852 said:

Hopefully those people are still protected under mail-in voting. Do they have to present ID somehow too?

mail-in-voting is complete fraud, unless trump uses it.

3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

mail-in-voting is complete fraud, unless trump uses it.

It’ll be allowed but only in red states

9 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

he's soooooo f'ng stupid. 😅

he’s not intelligent enough to be subtle. it’s obvious he’s that he’s running back his "stop the steal” election fraud propaganda from 2020 so he can try to overturn the midterm results.

6 minutes ago, mr_hunt said:

he’s not intelligent enough to be subtle. it’s obvious he’s that he’s running back his "stop the steal” election fraud propaganda from 2020 so he can try to overturn the midterm results.

and how much will this BS cost taxpayers? is doge keeping track? i'm sure they are.

19 hours ago, vikas83 said:

The way around the 24th Amendment issues is to provide a free picture ID to all registered voters. So long as there is no charge for it, the poll tax issues are obviated. I agree that if an ID is required to vote, and that ID costs money, then a credible argument can be made that it violates the 24th Amendment.

The problem with this is that you'd be putting the government in charge of it.

The current processing time for passports is a month or two. During periods of high demand it can easily jump to over a year.

In '24, 24.5 million passports were issued, and at the peak that year the wait times were around two to three months, not including mailing times.

Now expand that to 173 million registered voters trying to get an ID all at once. For free.

How is that done? In person? Mailed in? How is stuff verified? Who processes stuff? What about when someone in power decides to curtail things by slowing the processing? Eliminating the staff that was doing things or shutting down offices?

It's a logistical nightmare to do, and with it having to be free would cost a ton of money. The application cost for a passport card is $65. Assuming the cost for a Federal voter ID is the same, it would cost the government around $11.2b to get every registered voter an ID.

And then there's other things. When I move I don't need a new passport, but voting is tied to a specific district, so I'm assuming I'll need a new voter ID. 15M people move each year. That's another almost $1b each year. Also, what about lost/stolen cards. Since it's free you can't charge people a replacement fee.

It's just a hard no from me. It'll cost too much money, I don't trust the government to run it effectively, and what we have now works.

I'm not going to move the needle because MAGA wants to bish and moan and not recognize that when they do lose games it's because they played like ish.

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

I assumed he was joking with his post. Was he being serious?

Any non idiot knows that was a joke

6 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Any non idiot knows that was a joke

well ........

1 hour ago, DEagle7 said:

Ok. But your ideal scenario will never happen. So why try to "mitigate a potential problem" that we have documented proof doesn't exist when you know one side is doing it solely to disenfranchise people it doesn't want voting?

Show me where I said I agreed with the GOP regarding their current SAVE Act. On the other hand, improving things are always on the cards. Who could have guessed ten years ago that we would have a moron POTUS trying to steal elections? FWIW, there are other things I’d rather prioritize so happy to drop it and conclude with "no to SAVE”.

1 hour ago, Paul852 said:

What a simple-minded answer. Pretend it's your money being spent (because it is). There is no "potential problems". Voter fraud has been exhaustively investigated since 2020 with NOTHING found. What are we doing here?

Let’s not build a flood wall because we have no flood right now. Yeah that’s a good way to rationalize. Just because you feel like you are on the right side now…. How did that angle work for you with EOs when Obama was cranking them out and then Trump came around?

I guess his invitation for Jan 6 got lost and he’s just now getting there

https://people.com/teenager-arrested-rushing-us-capitol-shotgun-tactical-vest-11908540?fbclid=IwRlRTSAQCwetleHRuA2FlbQIxMQBzcnRjBmFwcF9pZAo2NjI4NTY4Mzc5AAEe2MksJrEYNqA3E8aHkx0DuVMCVtrUw0Qr_BAaRoyV0x7Z9v7x76v0lnR4AzI_aem_qFllz6tGeJ4oQD26yKVJcQ

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Show me where I said I agreed with the GOP regarding their current SAVE Act. On the other hand, improving things are always on the cards. Who could have guessed ten years ago that we would have a moron POTUS trying to steal elections? FWIW, there are other things I’d rather prioritize so happy to drop it and conclude with "no to SAVE”.

I don't see how you "improve" this without unconstitutionally disenfranchising a lot of legal voters and/or significant cost to the taxpayer and dedicating a lot of manpower to the logistics on an ongoing basis. All to mitigate a problem we know doesn't exist in any significant volume. All because people either want to suppress voter turnout, or are stupid and think this an actual problem because someone who wants to suppress voter turnout told them so.

It's just silly on a lot of levels.

14 minutes ago, DBW said:

So like Literally we have all proven and stated specific examples Of how you are wrong in claiming you need ID to do all those basically daily things, and you literally can’t comprehend it. Literally, you’re the Fkkin rehta

48 minutes ago, DBW said:

24 minutes ago, Bill said:

The problem with this is that you'd be putting the government in charge of it.

The current processing time for passports is a month or two. During periods of high demand it can easily jump to over a year.

In '24, 24.5 million passports were issued, and at the peak that year the wait times were around two to three months, not including mailing times.

Now expand that to 173 million registered voters trying to get an ID all at once. For free.

How is that done? In person? Mailed in? How is stuff verified? Who processes stuff? What about when someone in power decides to curtail things by slowing the processing? Eliminating the staff that was doing things or shutting down offices?

It's a logistical nightmare to do, and with it having to be free would cost a ton of money. The application cost for a passport card is $65. Assuming the cost for a Federal voter ID is the same, it would cost the government around $11.2b to get every registered voter an ID.

And then there's other things. When I move I don't need a new passport, but voting is tied to a specific district, so I'm assuming I'll need a new voter ID. 15M people move each year. That's another almost $1b each year. Also, what about lost/stolen cards. Since it's free you can't charge people a replacement fee.

It's just a hard no from me. It'll cost too much money, I don't trust the government to run it effectively, and what we have now works.

I'm not going to move the needle because MAGA wants to bish and moan and not recognize that when they do lose games it's because they played like ish.

Depending on how you do it the move wouldn’t be an issue. The initial cost would be significant of course but plenty of things cost $10B or whatever.

18 hours ago, justwinbaby said:

No college education 😂 There's no research needed to know that every American uses their IDs all of the time and if you want to make some outrageous statement like whatever bogus you said. Why is there no outrage about using ID for all the things I listed in that picture? hmm interesting. No outrage for having to use your license to buy alcohol or gambling or driving or re registering your ID when it expires.. the list is very very long and yet the only time when there is outrage is for by far the most important thing you would need your ID for.. What's the big deal? Why now this big fuss? You know why. Everyone knows why.

If this was about ID a driver's license would work, but it isn't.

5 minutes ago, DEagle7 said:

I don't see how you "improve" this without unconstitutionally disenfranchising a lot of legal voters and/or significant cost to the taxpayer and dedicating a lot of manpower to the logistics on an ongoing basis. All to mitigate a problem we know doesn't exist in any significant volume. All because people either want to suppress voter turnout, or are stupid and think this an actual problem because someone who wants to suppress voter turnout told them so.

It's just silly on a lot of levels.

Yes it would cost a good chunk of money. Saying you don’t want to prioritize the funds is a valid argument that can be discussed. That isn’t the same as saying there would be no value.

Just now, DrPhilly said:

Yes it would cost a good chunk of money. Saying you don’t want to prioritize the funds is a valid argument that can be discussed. That isn’t the same as saying there would be no value.

There isn't value because none of this is necessary. Voter fraud isn't a big problem. Trump lost in 2020 because he was a **** president. Not because there was illegal voting.

Not to mention the fact that Trump claims Biden won because they stuffed the boxes with phony ballots. So even if that were true, this ID law wouldn't stop that from happening. The whole thing is ridiculous.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

Yes it would cost a good chunk of money. Saying you don’t want to prioritize the funds is a valid argument that can be discussed. That isn’t the same as saying there would be no value.

Now you're just getting into semantics. Sure, there's a microscopic amount of value in eliminating the extremely rare cases of individual voter fraud. The cost is either violating the Constitution or billions of dollars in taxpayer money. Likely both. Agreed?

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Except we dont know that…bc we dont demand proof. Why not take an easy safeguard on such an allegedly vital process/right?

Are you being intentionally stupid today or is this a byproduct of a hangover?

5 minutes ago, Gannan said:

There isn't value because none of this is necessary. Voter fraud isn't a big problem. Trump lost in 2020 because he was a **** president. Not because there was illegal voting.

Not to mention the fact that Trump claims Biden won because they stuffed the boxes with phony ballots. So even if that were true, this ID law wouldn't stop that from happening. The whole thing is ridiculous.

Like I said, we have LOTS of new problems today because of Trump that we couldn’t even have dreamed up 10 years ago. Not having a problem right now isn’t a valid reason not to add safeguards. Stick with the priority of funding argument.

1 hour ago, Alpha_TATEr said:

@Procus

you've been right this whole time, illegals are trying to steal elections!!!!

@Procus @justwinbaby

don't you two wanna take a victory lap on this one? i mean you both called it.

Talk about Voter Fraud. We all know Randy Fine engaged in voter fraud right on the house floor changing votes. Now this.