March 25, 2025Mar 25 16 minutes ago, Mike31mt said: So spell out how that is done in one four year term, Vikas. This is exactly why it will never be done unless it's this way. You have a choice. You either are in favor of upholding the Constitution and law&order OR you do not and instead want to burn it down taking the good and bad indiscriminately. You can't have your cake and eat it too.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 8 hours ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It is. And it's exactly what they're doing. They're doing a basic text search on anything remotely "DEI", cancelling it (for a minute) an declaring savings. Research institutions are not nearly as dumb as Musk's minions think they are and are already scrubbing grant applications yielding no fundamental change in allocation of tax dollars. Congratulations on getting played again. It is one tactic among many. One that the American people overwhelmingly support, I might add. My response was to the guy who said that was the only means they were using. And yes, behavior changes when the rules change. Musk's team will have to shift gears as they go. I don't know why that's news to anyone.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 4 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: You have a choice. You either are in favor of upholding the Constitution and law&order OR you do not and instead want to burn it down taking the good and bad indiscriminately. You can't have your cake and eat it too. like groundhog day in here
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 minute ago, The Norseman said: One that the American people overwhelmingly support They support removing frivolous programs yes but not removing good programs just because a good program includes a specific buzz word.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 minute ago, The Norseman said: like groundhog day in here Funny when a sound piece of logic gets used more than once
March 25, 2025Mar 25 Just now, DrPhilly said: They support removing frivolous programs yes but not removing good programs just because a good program includes a specific buzz word. There is no such thing as a good DEI program. It is a cancer that needs to be eradicated.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 Just now, The Norseman said: There is no such thing as a good DEI program. It is a cancer that needs to be eradicated. That's not what I said. I said a good program with a "bad buzzword". I didn't say it was a DEI program.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Funny when a sound piece of logic gets used more than once Or just repeated ad nauseam when you've already agreed that we are not yet in a constitutional crisis. So really, its just you screaming in to the wind in order to boost your post count.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 Just now, The Norseman said: Or just repeated at nauseam when you've already agreed that we are not yet in a constitutional crisis. So really, its just you screaming in to the wind in order to boost your post count. We aren't in one "yet", no. We will be as soon as Trump decides to openly ignore the courts or something at a similar level. Last time we chatted about this I thought it could be anywhere from a few weeks to six months away. Give it time as we inch closer.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: We aren't in one "yet", no. We will be as soon as Trump decides to openly ignore the courts or something at a similar level. Last time we chatted about this I thought it could be anywhere from a few weeks to six months away. Give it time as we inch closer. Yea, maybe. Or maybe not. But no sense saving your fury until it happens. Assume the worst and rage at the system proactively!
March 25, 2025Mar 25 8 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Yea, maybe. Or maybe not. But no sense saving your fury until it happens. Assume the worst and rage at the system proactively! Says the snowflakes raging at the system for the past 8 years. This administration is a laughing stock but you go ahead and keep your head in the sand.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 18 hours ago, vikas83 said: Congress appropriates the money, so they have a role to play in larger decisions. For instance, Congress created the DoE, and only Congress can formally terminate it. Now, the executive branch has broad discretion in how it spends the money allocated, and Congress has abrogated a ton of its responsibilities on a range of issues to the executive branch (e.g., tariffs). I think this trend to strengthen the executive branch has been a mistake, but it has been a bipartisan effort. I think what people want, more than anything, is basic competence and to simply operate within the existing rules and contracts. Move fast and break things is fine for Silicon Valley, but it's not going to work with the behemoth that is the Federal Government. Employees have contracts and unions, and there are rules on how they need to be terminated. Don't just fire a bunch of people and then scramble to rehire people who you actually need -- take a minute and get it right. Simply put, you can't ignore rules, contracts and laws simply because you claim to have noble purpose. That has been the justification of every autocrat in history. The system of checks and balances exists precisely to stop this kind of thing. Do I wish we never entered into onerous labor contracts for federal workers? Of course. But we can't just ignore binding contracts because we find them inconvenient. 11 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Yea, maybe. Or maybe not. But no sense saving your fury until it happens. Assume the worst and rage at the system proactively! The post above from Vikas is the one we were discussing and specifically the bold. There wasn't any "rage". WestByGawdVA Mike was clear that he wasn't in mind to follow the rules as it would take too long to get things done. It is pretty simple mate. Just say you want to move fast and that you don't care about the laws while doing so and we can agree to disagree. I think WestByGawdVA Mike will be fine with that.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 4 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: Says the snowflakes raging at the system for the past 8 years. This administration is a laughing stock but you go ahead and keep your head in the sand. Except that the polls suggest exactly the opposite. Which I can see is very, very upsetting for all of you.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: You guys are acting like absolute children about this You're pretending like no cuts would do anything, which is absurd, so none if it is worth it. And you all wonder why the govt literally never ever shrinks in size. It's because of whiny babies like you. If it cant be exactly the way you want it, which is impossible and never did happen and would never happen, then we should just give up and not even try. Sorry, they're moving forward and this will absolutely help. Burn baby burn No, I’m acting like an adult who understands basic math. "You're pretending like no cuts would do anything, which is absurd, so none if it is worth it.” I’m not "pretending” anything. Again, this is a math problem. Not an "opinion”, not "feelings”. We have a $1.8 trillion deficit to reconcile. You don’t fix that by going after items that make up fractions of a fraction of that number. So it’s actually quite the opposite. I understand that REAL cuts are what is needed. Finding waste and getting rid of it is great. That’s not going to fix our problem. I’m absolutely for cutting waste. I’m absolutely for balancing the federal budget. What I’m not in favor of is performative theatre, which is what this current operation is. Like I said, at the end of the year when we are running a $2 trillion deficit, I’ll be here to answer all your questions about how this happened despite all the HUGE "savings” that DOGE claimed to have made.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: Is that what I said? Don't be mad because your pals research is absolutely stupid and pointless and now he/she may have to actually contribute to society to earn money. Well you said that no matter how much it may be applicable to human health, it's not in the constitution so it's gone. That pretty much applies to all federal research. So be a man and just say what you mean instead of this coy "is that what I meant?" nonsense. Do you favor cutting all federally funded science research? If not how do you propose they decide what is funded and what isn't? Let's hear an actual policy Mike. 1 hour ago, Paul852 said: I'm sorry, what is it you do again? HVAC repair
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 hour ago, Mike31mt said: and now he/she may have to actually contribute to society to earn money. The cousin F'ing rube from the dumbest state in the country wants to talk about meaningful contributions to society. Dude can't even pass 5th grade math on his own
March 25, 2025Mar 25 39 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Except that the polls suggest exactly the opposite. Which I can see is very, very upsetting for all of you. the polls show that conceptually eliminating government waste is popular irrespective of political party. they also show that the manner in which DOGE/Musk is attempting to eliminate waste is deeply unpopular and getting worse.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 7 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: the polls show that conceptually eliminating government waste is popular irrespective of political party. they also show that the manner in which DOGE/Musk is attempting to eliminate waste is deeply unpopular and getting worse. That other part is obviously fake news
March 25, 2025Mar 25 1 hour ago, The Norseman said: Except that the polls suggest exactly the opposite. Which I can see is very, very upsetting for all of you. IDGAF about cherry picking polls. For the billionth time, practically everyone wants to cut down in waste and fraud, but only MAGA morons are happy about how it’s being done. So put your head back in the sand, or up trumps arse, whichever helps you sleep at night.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 5 minutes ago, Tnt4philly said: IDGAF about cherry picking polls. For the billionth time, practically everyone wants to cut down in waste and fraud, but only MAGA morons are happy about how it’s being done. So put your head back in the sand, or up trumps arse, whichever helps you sleep at night. Its not easy fixing the mess your party created. Sorry that it's so upsetting to you.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 10 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Its not easy fixing the mess your party created. I'm sorry, through how many administrations has the spending continued to sky rocket? Did it go down substantially between 2016-2020 and I missed it?
March 25, 2025Mar 25 10 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Its not easy fixing the mess your party created. Sorry that it's so upsetting to you. It's going to be even harder cleaning up the mess Musk and Trump are making.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 2 hours ago, The Norseman said: One that the American people overwhelmingly support, I might add. Wrong. This is another falsehood MAGA is selling. Trump won the 2024 election with 77 million+ votes. Harris got 75 million. Another 100 million people can vote and didn't cast a ballot. So really, Trump is supported by less than one-third of the electorate.
March 25, 2025Mar 25 23 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: It's going to be even harder cleaning up the mess Musk and Trump are making. Amen
March 25, 2025Mar 25 28 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I'm sorry, through how many administrations has the spending continued to sky rocket? Did it go down substantially between 2016-2020 and I missed it? Democrats made cutting the government nearly impossible via public sector unions and god knows how many other protections. Now, when the country decides it want's to cut, all you miserable theater kids scream about the process by which they are doing it. You'll have to excuse those of us who just don't care that they aren't following your preferred process.
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