December 4, 2024Dec 4 21 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: It's an ever expanding behemoth because we've had nothing but legislators that pass spending bills, and presidents that sign those spending bills, that spend more and more of our money that we don't have. The last time Trump was president, he promised to completely erase the national debt, not the deficit, the entire debt. And then what happened in reality is that under his leadership, the deficit skyrocketed, and that was before COVID hit. But this is awesome, Trump isn't even president yet, and he's about to have a republican congress, and Trumpers are already moving the goalposts from "Trump is going to make massive cuts to the bureaucracy and fix the budget!" to "ok we're still going to run trillion dollar deficits every year, but it will be slightly less." Didn't you read where Democrats are laying the groundwork for him not to be able to do anything his first few years? His hands are tied!
December 4, 2024Dec 4 6 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Didn't you read where Democrats are laying the groundwork for him not to be able to do anything his first few years? His hands are tied! i blame obama.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 50 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: It's an ever expanding behemoth because we've had nothing but legislators that pass spending bills, and presidents that sign those spending bills, that spend more and more of our money that we don't have. The last time Trump was president, he promised to completely erase the national debt, not the deficit, the entire debt. And then what happened in reality is that under his leadership, the deficit skyrocketed, and that was before COVID hit. But this is awesome, Trump isn't even president yet, and he's about to have a republican congress, and Trumpers are already moving the goalposts from "Trump is going to make massive cuts to the bureaucracy and fix the budget!" to "ok we're still going to run trillion dollar deficits every year, but it will be slightly less." I agree. But let's be clear on why he won't be successful. The overwhelming majority of federal spending is made up of failing social programs that were created and implemented by Democrats. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid + the interest on the debt of those programs makes up the bulk of federal spending. They fall under "mandatory spending" because the government has to fund them regardless of who's in power. If you want to blame someone for the financial situation that we are in...you can start with FDR and LBJ.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 23 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I agree. But let's be clear on why he won't be successful. The overwhelming majority of federal spending is made up of failing social programs that were created and implemented by Democrats. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid + the interest on the debt of those programs makes up the bulk of federal spending. They fall under "mandatory spending" because the government has to fund them regardless of who's in power. If you want to blame someone for the financial situation that we are in...you can start with FDR and LBJ. OR AS THEY CALLED HM IN COAHUILA EL BJ
December 4, 2024Dec 4 28 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I agree. But let's be clear on why he won't be successful. The overwhelming majority of federal spending is made up of failing social programs that were created and implemented by Democrats. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid + the interest on the debt of those programs makes up the bulk of federal spending. They fall under "mandatory spending" because the government has to fund them regardless of who's in power. If you want to blame someone for the financial situation that we are in...you can start with FDR and LBJ. Which of your republican presidents lowered the deficit in the last 40 years?
December 4, 2024Dec 4 59 minutes ago, The Norseman said: But let's be clear on why he won't be successful Retarded. It's because he's retarded. You voted for an actual retarded person to be president.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 16 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Retarded. It's because he's retarded. You voted for an actual retarded person to be president. STILL THE FIRST RETARDED BEFORE TEH FIRST WOMAN LOL GO RETARDEDS
December 4, 2024Dec 4 4 minutes ago, Arthur Jackson said: STILL THE FIRST RETARDED BEFORE TEH FIRST WOMAN LOL GO RETARDEDS Don't listen to them, you're doing just fine, bud.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Don't listen to them, you're doing just fine, bud. I HAVE MY OWN KEYS
December 4, 2024Dec 4 48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said: Retarded. It's because he's retarded. You voted for an actual retarded person to be president. I didn't vote for him. And an ardent Biden supporter like you has zero credibility critiquing the mental abilities of anyone.
December 4, 2024Dec 4 8 minutes ago, The Norseman said: I didn't vote for him. I know, you're not even a Trump Supporter either!
December 4, 2024Dec 4 8 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: Don’t hold your breath. Whats going to be really funny is when we are still running $Trillion+ deficits, and then watching all the Trumpers make excuses for why it’s now ok to run trillion dollar deficits every year…..just like they did last time. You don’t understand, libcuck. Trump is going to grow the economy by spending more. Duh. More money means more money!
December 5, 2024Dec 5 3 hours ago, The Norseman said: I agree. But let's be clear on why he won't be successful. The overwhelming majority of federal spending is made up of failing social programs that were created and implemented by Democrats. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid + the interest on the debt of those programs makes up the bulk of federal spending. They fall under "mandatory spending" because the government has to fund them regardless of who's in power. If you want to blame someone for the financial situation that we are in...you can start with FDR and LBJ. SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and Defense. Cuts could be made to the "mandatory” programs. The difference between "mandatory” spending and discretionary is that mandatory spending isn’t controlled by annual appropriation laws. Congress could pass legislation lowering the payouts for those programs tomorrow if they wanted. Let’s not act like Trump is in favor of doing that. In fact I’m pretty sure he campaigned on ensuring that there won’t be any cuts to those programs. So no, can’t play the pass the buck game and blame democrats when he’s just as unwilling as they are to make the necessary cuts to our spending.
December 5, 2024Dec 5 4 hours ago, The Norseman said: I agree. But let's be clear on why he won't be successful. The overwhelming majority of federal spending is made up of failing social programs that were created and implemented by Democrats. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid + the interest on the debt of those programs makes up the bulk of federal spending. They fall under "mandatory spending" because the government has to fund them regardless of who's in power. If you want to blame someone for the financial situation that we are in...you can start with FDR and LBJ. Additionally, I'll add the following: Disability benefits were added to social security in 1956, under Republican president Eisenhower Automatic cost of living adjustments were added in 1972 under Republican president Nixon. This is what has led to the largest increase in SS payouts. So no, it's not just Democrats. When Social Security was created by FDR, it was a 1% tax on employees and employers (so 2% total) on your first $3,000 of wages. ($67,000 in today's dollars). In 1950 it was raised to 3% under Truman (D). In 1954 it was raised to 4% under Eisenhower(R). There were multiple raises under Eisenhower ending with it being 6% in 1960. In 1962 it was raised to 6.25% under JFK (D). By the end of LBJ's term it was 8.4% in 1969. It was raised to 9.2% in 1971 under Nixon (R). By the end of Ford's term it was 9.9% in 1977. In 1978 it was raised to 10.1% under Carter (D). By the end of Carter's term in 1981 it was 10.7%. By the end of Reagan's term (R) in 1989 it was 12.12%. It was raised to 12.4% in 1990 under Bush (R) and has stayed there ever since.
December 5, 2024Dec 5 16 hours ago, The Norseman said: I agree. But let's be clear on why he won't be successful. The overwhelming majority of federal spending is made up of failing social programs that were created and implemented by Democrats. Social Security, Medicare and Medicaid + the interest on the debt of those programs makes up the bulk of federal spending. They fall under "mandatory spending" because the government has to fund them regardless of who's in power. If you want to blame someone for the financial situation that we are in...you can start with FDR and LBJ.
December 5, 2024Dec 5 15 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said: Retarded. It's because he's retarded. You voted for an actual retarded person to be president. "An actual retarded person" demolished the person you would have happily voted for so hard in a debate that he stroked out on national television, effectively ending his political career.
December 5, 2024Dec 5 4 minutes ago, Kz! said: lol no. Just more pre-emptive excuse making for when we continue to run trillion dollar deficits every year. Trumpers: "It's fiscally irresponsible to have these deficits we're having under Biden right now!" Also Trumpers: "There's nothing Trump can do about the deficit, it's outside of his control! I know I complained about it, but that was LAST year. That was so 2024. From 2025-2028 there's nothing a president can do about it. Unless a democrat gets elected in 2028, and then it will be back to being the president's fault again!"
December 5, 2024Dec 5 12 hours ago, Phillyterp85 said: SS, Medicare, Medicaid, and Defense. Cuts could be made to the "mandatory” programs. The difference between "mandatory” spending and discretionary is that mandatory spending isn’t controlled by annual appropriation laws. Congress could pass legislation lowering the payouts for those programs tomorrow if they wanted. Let’s not act like Trump is in favor of doing that. In fact I’m pretty sure he campaigned on ensuring that there won’t be any cuts to those programs. So no, can’t play the pass the buck game and blame democrats when he’s just as unwilling as they are to make the necessary cuts to our spending. Which is precisely why I agreed with you that he will not be successful. But if nothing changes, Social Security goes belly up in 10 years. And yes, since the program was enacted there have been a multitude of bad decisions, on both sides, which have led to its insolvency. My point here is only that Social Security is the prime example of why Republican's and Libertarians oppose social programs. Democrats are constantly clambering to create more, and when they fail, their only answer is to raise taxes to fund the deficiencies. .
December 5, 2024Dec 5 5 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Which is precisely why I agreed with you that he will not be successful. But if nothing changes, Social Security goes belly up in 10 years. And yes, since the program was enacted there have been a multitude of bad decisions, on both sides, which have led to its insolvency. My point here is only that Social Security is the prime example of why Republican's and Libertarians oppose social programs. Democrats are constantly clambering to create more, and when they fail, their only answer is to raise taxes to fund the deficiencies. . But we really don't agree. You seem to be implying that cuts to these programs are outside of his control, and so there's nothing he can do to deliver on his campaign promise to balance the budget. That's completely false, especially considering that the republicans control the house and senate. So this is actually the perfect time to revise the spending in those programs in an effort to eliminate the deficit, but they won't do it, because they don't have the political courage to take the necessary measures to do so. If republicans actually opposed these social programs, they wouldn't have enacted all of those spending increases and tax hikes on social security all these years. Republicans like to claim they oppose these social programs to talk a good game, but in reality they don't. "Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security.” - Donald Trump
December 5, 2024Dec 5 I love how these rubes still act like he didn't literally campaign on no taxes on Social Security.
December 5, 2024Dec 5 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said: But we really don't agree. You seem to be implying that cuts to these programs are outside of his control, and so there's nothing he can do to deliver on his campaign promise to balance the budget. That's completely false, especially considering that the republicans control the house and senate. So this is actually the perfect time to revise the spending in those programs to eliminate the deficit, but they won't do it, because they don't have the political courage to take the necessary measures to do so. "Under no circumstances should Republicans vote to cut a single penny from Medicare or Social Security.” - Donald Trump Up until Trump, Social Security was made into a political hot potato by Democrats. Politicians messed with it at their own peril. Trump went so far at one point to say that Biden was going to destroy social security, which was laughable, and infuriated fiscal conservatives...because it suggested that Trump was in support of the defunct program. So, sadly, we do agree. The program will likely not be altered in any way that would affect payouts due to the political capital that would be required to do so. I do hold out some hope that a wildcard like Trump, with a conservative majority might be our only chance to make these changes, but it would have to be at the end of his term and I doubt he'd have enough of the legislature behind him to push it trough.
December 5, 2024Dec 5 8 minutes ago, The Norseman said: Which is precisely why I agreed with you that he will not be successful. But if nothing changes, Social Security goes belly up in 10 years. And yes, since the program was enacted there have been a multitude of bad decisions, on both sides, which have led to its insolvency. My point here is only that Social Security is the prime example of why Republican's and Libertarians oppose social programs. Democrats are constantly clambering to create more, and when they fail, their only answer is to raise taxes to fund the deficiencies. . Democrats create massive, unfundable entitlements that speed run the country to insolvency, but that people get hooked on for survival and then wonder why Trump can't fix the budget instantly. "Come on, just take all the welfare that we created away and commit political suicide already. What are you afraid or something."
December 5, 2024Dec 5 1 minute ago, The Norseman said: because it suggested that Trump was in support of the defunct program. Oh gee, I wonder what may have given them that impression. You think being indistinguishable from Bernie Sanders on all fiscal policy matters might've been the culprit?
December 5, 2024Dec 5 5 minutes ago, Kz! said: and commit political suicide already Brain-damaged trumpbot: "I'm glad Trump was elected so he can finally balance the budget." Same brain-damaged trumpbot: "Of course he's not gonna balance the budget, that would be political suicide!"
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