February 17Feb 17 is there any real rhyme or reason to the firings, or is musk just sending out pink slips based on where the spinning wheel stops?
February 17Feb 17 2 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: is there any real rhyme or reason to the firings, or is musk just sending out pink slips based on where the spinning wheel stops? They're getting rid of the probationary employees first since they have almost no rights.
February 17Feb 17 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: is there any real rhyme or reason to the firings, or is musk just sending out pink slips based on where the spinning wheel stops? He has an expert team of various balls (e.g. Harry, Big, etc.) that do the sorting
February 17Feb 17 3 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: is there any real rhyme or reason to the firings, or is musk just sending out pink slips based on where the spinning wheel stops? After that debacle with the department of energy firing 300 people then realizing less than 24 hours later they managed nuclear stock piles I think it’s safe to say there is no strategy. Just fire as many people as possible, though they initially did start with probationary employees.
February 17Feb 17 23 minutes ago, Paul852 said: They're getting rid of the probationary employees first since they have almost no rights. i get that, but then he has to rehire some of them? i don't know, just seems the opposite of efficiency.
February 17Feb 17 12 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: i get that, but then he has to rehire some of them? i don't know, just seems the opposite of efficiency. I have no idea what the overall goal is other than to "save money" which really isn't how you run government. He's bringing in his private sector strategy. This will likely not end well but we'll just have to wait for the impacts.
February 17Feb 17 4 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I have no idea what the overall goal is other than to "save money" which really isn't how you run government. He's bringing in his private sector strategy. This will likely not end well but we'll just have to wait for the impacts. im all for cutting government waste and lord knows there is a ton of it, but to cut for the sake of cutting is not a good strategy. i just feel bad for the people who voted to lose their jobs, just to own the libs. it's a human tragedy.
February 17Feb 17 Just now, Alpha_TATEr said: i just feel bad for the people who voted to lose their jobs, just to own the libs. it's a human tragedy. I don't. I feel bad for the people who didn't vote for it. Anyway, this was supposed to be an audit but it's starting to look more like "Let's just cut everything and claim success". The damage caused will likely have to be fixed. People are losing jobs, US farmers are losing funding/work due to USAID cuts, programs for the homeless/underprivileged/special needs are getting cut, etc A lot of this will probably be undone and at the end of the day nothing but chaos will be accomplished.
February 17Feb 17 11 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I don't. I feel bad for the people who didn't vote for it. Anyway, this was supposed to be an audit but it's starting to look more like "Let's just cut everything and claim success". The damage caused will likely have to be fixed. People are losing jobs, US farmers are losing funding/work due to USAID cuts, programs for the homeless/underprivileged/special needs are getting cut, etc A lot of this will probably be undone and at the end of the day nothing but chaos will be accomplished. It has never been executed as an "audit". Audits don't work this way. This is being run as a ZBB (Zero Based Budget) process where everything is wiped and then each detail only added back one at a time.
February 17Feb 17 20 minutes ago, Alpha_TATEr said: im all for cutting government waste and lord knows there is a ton of it, but to cut for the sake of cutting is not a good strategy. i just feel bad for the people who voted to lose their jobs, just to own the libs. it's a human tragedy. Why feel bad for them? Trump vilified federal workers throughout his campaign. Instead of being strategic by understanding what each department does and coming up with metrics to identify under performing workers he just fires a bunch of people. I only feel bad for federal workers that didn’t vote for him and people also losing much needed benefits as a result of these cuts.
February 17Feb 17 18 minutes ago, Paul852 said: I don't. I feel bad for the people who didn't vote for it. 3 minutes ago, pisceschica said: Why feel bad for them? i thought the "human tragedy" comment gave it away, so you two may want to recalibrate your sarcasm meters.
February 17Feb 17 He doesn’t have much I’d a strategy but someone in his circle did. I figure by emailing all theses workers that they were fired due to poor performance they are not eligible for unemployment benefits. As a result there probably won’t be a significant increase in unemployment rate bc the metric is based on people applying for/receiving the benefit. Am I correct?
February 17Feb 17 3 minutes ago, pisceschica said: He doesn’t have much I’d a strategy but someone in his circle did. I figure by emailing all theses workers that they were fired due to poor performance they are not eligible for unemployment benefits. As a result there probably won’t be a significant increase in unemployment rate bc the metric is based on people applying for/receiving the benefit. Am I correct? No. In order to fire a government probationary employee, performance must be cited. It has nothing to do with unemployment.
February 17Feb 17 13 minutes ago, BBE said: No. In order to fire a government probationary employee, performance must be cited. It has nothing to do with unemployment. Do they have recourse if all of their performance appraisals have been positive?
February 17Feb 17 4 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Do they have recourse if all of their performance appraisals have been positive? Depends on which side the activist judge is on.
February 17Feb 17 45 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: It has never been executed as an "audit". Audits don't work this way. This is being run as a ZBB (Zero Based Budget) process where everything is wiped and then each detail only added back one at a time. Basically they're going to fire everybody they possible can, then determine where they need to hire back people. It's going to fail because it's being implemented in a rushed and arbitrary manner. This is an incredibly destructive way to approach government. The "deep state" is what gives us what little long-term planning and stability the government does have. Trump doesn't care about the long term. He wants sugar rushes. Musk doesn't care about the long term. Generally speaking business focuses quarter to quarter. Long term planning is maybe a year out and fuzzy at best. Government is not business.
February 17Feb 17 4 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Basically they're going to fire everybody they possible can, then determine where they need to hire back people. It's going to fail because it's being implemented in a rushed and arbitrary manner. This is an incredibly destructive way to approach government. The "deep state" is what gives us what little long-term planning and stability the government does. Trump doesn't care about the long term. He wants sugar rushes. Musk doesn't care about the long term. Generally speaking business focuses quarter to quarter. Long term planning is maybe a year out and fuzzy at best. Government is not business. Trump got his two terms and doesn't care about the state of the Republican party once he is gone. People are about to learn what that means. Newsflash, it's bad for the American people whether you're a Republican or Democrat.
February 17Feb 17 10 hours ago, DrPhilly said: There isn’t a single person in here who doesn’t support auditing to get rid of waste and fraud. When are the auditors going to get involved? What do you think DOGE has been doing the last 3 weeks?
February 17Feb 17 4 minutes ago, Procus said: What do you think DOGE has been doing the last 3 weeks? Tweeting
February 17Feb 17 1 hour ago, Paul852 said: I have no idea what the overall goal is other than to "save money" which really isn't how you run government. He's bringing in his private sector strategy. This will likely not end well but we'll just have to wait for the impacts. They are going to be increasing the deficit so it will end up being shifting and adding cost at the end of the day. There won't be any top line cost savings.
February 17Feb 17 Is anyone else surprised that the Department of Government Efficiency has missed their self-imposed deadline for receipts TWICE I fully expect the final edit to be "Receipts coming soon"
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