February 17Feb 17 8 minutes ago, Procus said: What do you think DOGE has been doing the last 3 weeks? There aren't any auditors in DOGE
February 17Feb 17 21 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Basically they're going to fire everybody they possible can, then determine where they need to hire back people. It's going to fail because it's being implemented in a rushed and arbitrary manner. This is an incredibly destructive way to approach government. The "deep state" is what gives us what little long-term planning and stability the government does have. Trump doesn't care about the long term. He wants sugar rushes. Musk doesn't care about the long term. Generally speaking business focuses quarter to quarter. Long term planning is maybe a year out and fuzzy at best. Government is not business. ...and they have not been running an audit, this is a ZBB process which is incredibly destructive especially when the people running it have no idea what they are looking at
February 17Feb 17 30 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Do they have recourse if all of their performance appraisals have been positive? That is currently being questioned. Some say yes, others say no. There law suits have been filed.
February 17Feb 17 1 minute ago, DrPhilly said: ...and they have not been running an audit, this is a ZBB process which is incredibly destructive especially when the people running it have no idea what they are looking at Correct. If they think they've been running a ZBB process they're full of it, a successful ZBB process would require a lot more metrics and a deeper understanding of the workforce with targeted - if in places brutal and deep - cuts based on data driven decisions. They're running a hamfisted and arbitrary downsizing of the government workforce with zero understanding of the impacts both within and without the government, and ignoring (or just not caring about) the impact to the overall economy. It's like a company claiming they run on an "agile methodology" when in reality all they're doing is eliminating requirements gathering & documentation, having developers talk directly to stakeholders, and declaring it a cost savings.
February 17Feb 17 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: and ignoring (or just not caring about) the impact to the overall economy. This is the one I'll be watching. They are taking a lot of money out of the economy by firing these people.
February 17Feb 17 1 minute ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Correct. If they think they've been running a ZBB process they're full of it, a successful ZBB process would require a lot more metrics and a deeper understanding of the workforce with targeted - if in places brutal and deep - cuts based on data driven decisions. They're running a hamfisted and arbitrary downsizing of the government workforce with zero understanding of the impacts both within and without the government, and ignoring (or just not caring about) the impact to the overall economy. It's like a company claiming they run on an "agile methodology" when in reality all they're doing is eliminating requirements gathering & documentation, having developers talk directly to stakeholders, and declaring it a cost savings. Yeah, a horrible ZBB I've been running agile since 2001. Lots of good BUT it is so easy to abuse AND it has lots of flaws like any other process methodology.
February 17Feb 17 51 minutes ago, pisceschica said: He doesn’t have much I’d a strategy but someone in his circle did. I figure by emailing all theses workers that they were fired due to poor performance they are not eligible for unemployment benefits. As a result there probably won’t be a significant increase in unemployment rate bc the metric is based on people applying for/receiving the benefit. Am I correct? You can’t simply fire someone and cite "performance” without having something to actually back up the poor performance. I’m sure it varies, but when I worked for the state of Maryland, we had multiple performance reviews during the probationary period, with the last one being the dealbreaker where you were either told "congratulations you’ve met the requirements and you’ve graduated past the probationary period” or "sorry, but as discussed at your last performance review, you needed to be able to do x, y, and z and you have not demonstrated that” Neither of which outcome should have really been a surprise because again this would have been discussed and documented during previous performance reviews.
February 17Feb 17 1 minute ago, Phillyterp85 said: You can’t simply fire someone and cite "performance” without having something to actually back up the poor performance New rules
February 17Feb 17 11 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said: Correct. If they think they've been running a ZBB process they're full of it, a successful ZBB process would require a lot more metrics and a deeper understanding of the workforce with targeted - if in places brutal and deep - cuts based on data driven decisions. They're running a hamfisted and arbitrary downsizing of the government workforce with zero understanding of the impacts both within and without the government, and ignoring (or just not caring about) the impact to the overall economy. It's like a company claiming they run on an "agile methodology" when in reality all they're doing is eliminating requirements gathering & documentation, having developers talk directly to stakeholders, and declaring it a cost savings. Not to mention, federal salaries are not a driver of federal spending. You could fire every single employee in the federal government and we’d still be running a $1.8 trillion deficit. Last year the federal government spent $6.75 trillion. Federal employee salaries and benefits total $293 billion.
February 17Feb 17 4 minutes ago, Phillyterp85 said: Not to mention, federal salaries are not a driver of federal spending. You could fire every single employee in the federal government and we’d still be running a $1.8 trillion deficit. Last year the federal government spent $6.75 trillion. Federal employee salaries and benefits total $293 billion. So far, it has all been about the optics. There is zero savings of any significance.
February 17Feb 17 Just now, Procus said: That says the Treasury Department is conducting an audit not DOGE AND they say they have an intention to conduct an audit of the IRS. No auditors at DOGE and no ongoing audits run by DOGE at this point.
February 17Feb 17 39 minutes ago, Paul852 said: Is anyone else surprised that the Department of Government Efficiency has missed their self-imposed deadline for receipts TWICE I fully expect the final edit to be "Receipts coming soon" Well, I mean, surely they have concepts of receipts…
February 17Feb 17 3 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: That says the Treasury Department is conducting an audit not DOGE AND they say they have an intention to conduct an audit of the IRS. No auditors at DOGE and no ongoing audits run by DOGE at this point. he's too stupid to know he's stupid.
February 17Feb 17 To be fair DOGE doesn't say what weekend. Maybe this is like the sign in the bar that says "free beer tomorrow".
February 17Feb 17 35 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: That says the Treasury Department is conducting an audit not DOGE AND they say they have an intention to conduct an audit of the IRS. No auditors at DOGE and no ongoing audits run by DOGE at this point. What do you think an audit is?
February 17Feb 17 4 minutes ago, Procus said: What do you think an audit is? Uhhhh.... I've been involved in several so I know just what they are and DOGE is not running an audit. When you run an audit you make a review (often a preliminary review first and then a more detailed review), document initial findings, discuss those findings with people involved in the operation, update your findings, and then deliver a final report. From there, the information is reviewed and then actions are planned and taken. For any professional company or govt agency the audit will be run by professional auditors OR at minimum professional auditors will be part of the auditing team. That's not what DOGE is doing.
February 17Feb 17 11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Uhhhh.... I've been involved in several so I know just what they are and DOGE is not running an audit. When you run an audit you make a review (often a preliminary review first and then a more detailed review), document initial findings, discuss those findings with people involved in the operation, update your findings, and then deliver a final report. From there, the information is reviewed and then actions are planned and taken. For any professional company or govt agency the audit will be run by professional auditors OR at minimum professional auditors will be part of the auditing team. That's not what DOGE is doing. he argued this same stupid point in the "what next for the dems" thread ....
February 17Feb 17 11 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: Uhhhh.... I've been involved in several so I know just what they are and DOGE is not running an audit. When you run an audit you make a review (often a preliminary review first and then a more detailed review), document initial findings, discuss those findings with people involved in the operation, update your findings, and then deliver a final report. From there, the information is reviewed and then actions are planned and taken. For any professional company or govt agency the audit will be run by professional auditors OR at minimum professional auditors will be part of the auditing team. That's not what DOGE is doing. There are many different types of audits. From Grok - too large so I'm cutting and pasting. what is an audit An audit is a systematic and independent examination of records, statements, operations, or financial accounts to verify their accuracy, compliance with laws and regulations, or efficiency. Here are some key aspects of an audit: Financial Audit: This is the most common type, where auditors examine an organization's financial statements to ensure they are accurate and in compliance with accounting standards. They look for any discrepancies, fraud, or misrepresentation in financial reporting. Compliance Audit: Focuses on checking if an organization follows specific laws, regulations, policies, or procedures. This can be related to industry standards, environmental regulations, or internal company policies. Operational Audit: Evaluates the efficiency and effectiveness of operational processes. It aims to improve performance, identify inefficiencies, and enhance operational controls. Information Systems Audit: Involves reviewing the controls, security, and processes of an organization's IT infrastructure to ensure data integrity, security, and that IT governance is in place. Internal vs. External Audit: Internal Audit: Conducted by an organization's own audit department to assess internal controls, risk management, and governance processes. External Audit: Performed by independent auditors from outside the organization, typically for financial reporting to stakeholders like shareholders, regulators, or creditors. The process generally involves: Planning: Defining the audit's scope, objectives, and methodology. Execution: Gathering evidence, testing controls, and interviewing staff. Reporting: Documenting findings, including any issues or recommendations for improvements. Follow-up: Ensuring that recommendations are implemented and issues are resolved. Audits aim to provide assurance (that systems and records are accurate) or consultative advice (on how to improve processes or compliance). They are crucial for maintaining trust in financial markets, ensuring regulatory compliance, and promoting operational efficiency.
February 17Feb 17 1 hour ago, Phillyterp85 said: Not to mention, federal salaries are not a driver of federal spending. You could fire every single employee in the federal government and we’d still be running a $1.8 trillion deficit. Last year the federal government spent $6.75 trillion. Federal employee salaries and benefits total $293 billion. You mean firing a bunch of "DEI employees" and park rangers isn't going to eliminate the debt?
February 17Feb 17 1 hour ago, DrPhilly said: That says the Treasury Department is conducting an audit not DOGE AND they say they have an intention to conduct an audit of the IRS. No auditors at DOGE and no ongoing audits run by DOGE at this point. Reading is fundamental. Unless you're MAGA.
February 17Feb 17 49 minutes ago, DrPhilly said: To be fair DOGE doesn't say what weekend. Maybe this is like the sign in the bar that says "free beer tomorrow". Healthcare plan in two weeks!
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