46 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Unbelievable. Still you libs act like everything went to plan. Never mind the fact that they didn't work 😂

You talking about the vaccines that Trump had rushed thru via Operation Warp Speed without proper levels of testing?

2 hours ago, Alphagrand said:

Who should I trust ..... Obama or Roseanne?

Well, if you trust the proven serial liar Obama, that doesn't reflect well on you.

Affordable Care Act (Obamacare): Obama’s claim, "If you like your health care plan, you can keep it,” was rated PolitiFact’s "Lie of the Year” in 2013. Critics argue this was deliberately misleading, as millions lost their plans due to ACA regulations. They cite MIT economist Jonathan Gruber, who suggested the law’s lack of transparency was intentional to gain public support.

Benghazi Attack (2012): Critics, like those at Frontpage Mag, claim Obama and his administration falsely attributed the Benghazi attack to a YouTube video rather than acknowledging it as a terrorist act. They argue this was a deliberate cover-up to protect his re-election campaign.

NSA Surveillance: Obama’s statement on The Jay Leno Show in 2013, denying domestic spying (“We don’t have a domestic spying program”), was criticized as false after Edward Snowden’s leaks revealed extensive NSA data collection on Americans.

Personal History: Some sources, like Snopes, address claims about Obama’s background, such as exaggerations about his father being a "goat herder” or ties to African freedom movements. Critics argue these were embellishments to craft a narrative

Other Claims: Articles like one from American Thinker (2011) list additional examples, such as Obama’s statements on tax burdens, energy policy, and Osama bin Laden’s killing, arguing they conflict with facts. A 2014 AEI piece claims Obama faced less media scrutiny for falsehoods compared to others, like Trump

PolitiFact and Others: PolitiFact documented some false claims by Obama, like the ACA promise, but also rated many of his statements as true or partially true (e.g., on healthcare premium growth slowing). A 2017 New York Times analysis found Obama told 18 "demonstrably false” statements over eight years, compared to Trump’s 103 in his first 10 months.

1 minute ago, DrPhilly said:

You talking about the vaccines that Trump had rushed thru via Operation Warp Speed without proper levels of testing?

Yep, those. The same ones that Biden tried to mandate on millions and the same ones people in here are still trying to argue worked swimmingly.

Just now, The Norseman said:

Yep, those. The same ones that Biden tried to mandate on millions and the same ones people in here are still trying to argue worked swimmingly.

So did Trump's vaccines work or not?

Just now, DrPhilly said:

So did Trump's vaccines work or not?

I've just spent the last hour in here arguing that they did not. What are you a lawyer?

27 minutes ago, jsdarkstar said:

The Maga Killer voted for Trump. Donated to his campaign, dressed up as Trump for Halloween, posted on right wing websites about and was raised and brought in a gun culture. He is certainly not any less Maga that Kz or Lynch.

He ate cats too. Soooooo many cats eating posts in this thread.

7 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

Biden tried to mandate the vaccine in all manner of places, but thankfully, most of the mandates were overturned in the courts. Healthcare workers was the one that prevailed.

Cool, so the system worked.

Trump tried to violently overturn an election.

Just now, The Norseman said:

I've just spent the last hour in here arguing that they did not. What are you a lawyer?

Ok then, Trump's to blame.

2 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

So did Trump's vaccines work or not?

listen dork, if the vaccines worked, then yes, trump gets credit. if the discussion is about mandates and injecting us with tracking chips, then it's biden's vaccines.

8 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

I like his pizza reviews. Light comedy in 5-10 minutes.

yes. me too.

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

I've just spent the last hour in here arguing that they did not. What are you a lawyer?

They did. Not as well as hoped, but they saved far more lives than they negatively affected.

Believe what you want. But the truth is clear.

6 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

You didn't answer my first question.

And despite the "success" of these vaccines, every single person who got the vaccine still got COVID, multiple times. The virus became endemic. The virus mutated dozens of times. The reported deaths continued under Biden.

Even if you're right, by your logic a person would have to get boosted multiple times a year to keep pace with the mutations. Why would anyone do that for a virus that was not a mortal threat to the overwhelming majority of the population?

1) They absolutely did not all get COVID multiple times. I'm a doctor and got it once the entire pandemic. Furthermore even if you do get it the severity is significantly less.

2) The vaccines peak efficacy laster for a bit over half a year. Which again is longer than the Flu. So no, multiple boosters a year were never going to he necessary. However, mRNA vaccine design means changes could have been made a lot quicker booster to booster when needed.

3) Almost had the capacity to kill the majority of people in the affected area. Zero vaccines would exist if that's the standard. It did however kill around the same number of people as the bubonic plagues, and more than any smallpox epidemic. So yes I'd consider that kind of a big deal from a public health POV

1 minute ago, The Norseman said:

Yep, those. The same ones that Biden tried to mandate on millions and the same ones people in here are still trying to argue worked swimmingly.

They did work swimmingly. Trump's singular great achievement in office.

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

yes!!!! more justification for the current administration.

2 minutes ago, JohnSnowsHair said:

They did. Not as well as hoped, but they saved far more lives than they negatively affected.

Believe what you want. But the truth is clear.

They decreased the lethality of COVId to the point we could get our hospitals back and that was the turning point to getting out of the pandemic. So simple to understand. so. F'ing . simple.

3 minutes ago, The_Omega said:

I actually agree with this point. Kimmel & Colbert and the de platforming and all that. If you swing at the king, you better take him out.

1 hour ago, The Norseman said:

the vaccine was not having the desired effect.

The primary endpoint for the trials and the push for vaccination was to reduce the risk of hospitalization which they achieved with high efficacy. The fact that after 4 years you still can't understand this speaks to what F'ing morons you guys are and always will be.

The hypocrisy on the left never ceases to amaze me

Just now, It Hurts said:

The hypocrisy on the left never ceases to amaze me

says a hypocrite. 🤣

It is nice to see the consistency here of everyone so upset by Kimmel's suspension, who were equally outraged when Tucker, who at the time had the 2nd highest rated program on all of cable TV, multiples more viewers than Kimmel, got cancelled. The same outrage they now have at the news that the Biden Administration was targeting many, major, conservative organizations with Operation Arctic Frost. It's truly admirable the bottomless amount of outrage that these folks have.

28 minutes ago, The Norseman said:

You didn't answer my first question.

And despite the "success" of these vaccines, every single person who got the vaccine still got COVID, multiple times. The virus became endemic. The virus mutated dozens of times. The reported deaths continued under Biden.

Even if you're right, by your logic a person would have to get boosted multiple times a year to keep pace with the mutations. Why would anyone do that for a virus that was not a mortal threat to the overwhelming majority of the population?

Only jumping in to say I had the COVID shot and never had COVID

Carry on

1 minute ago, The_Omega said:

It is nice to see the consistency here of everyone so upset by Kimmel's suspension, who were equally outraged when Tucker, who at the time had the 2nd highest rated program on all of cable TV, multiples more viewers than Kimmel, got cancelled. The same outrage they now have at the news that the Biden Administration was targeting many, major, conservative organizations with Operation Arctic Frost. It's truly admirable the bottomless amount of outrage that these folks have.

Oh man, I never knew that Biden threatened Fox News and had them remove Tucker.

6 minutes ago, dawkins4prez said:

I actually agree with this point. Kimmel & Colbert and the de platforming and all that. If you swing at the king, you better take him out.

Trump using an arm of the government, FCC, pushed Kimmel and Colbert out. Tell me which arm of the government under Biden pushed Trump off Twitter?