1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

That's not really a thing that happens. That sounds like a translation in to layman's terms that the media doesnt know how to convey.

Scar tissue lays down initially in a disorganized fashion like a dropped bundle of sticks, and as you exercise the tissue is pulled in line with the muscle fibers and if you rehab it right, you'll heal with full mobility.

Scar tissue doesn't then just decide to get disorganized again like 8-12 weeks later or however long it was since his preseason injury.

I believe he may have tweaked it and gave him a rest day against the giants to capitalize on the extra time off during the bye.

I take issue with the people saying it was an issue all season since his preseason hamstring injury. Thats a Hurtscuse

Isn't it possible that although his prior tear had healed, he had not returned to his prior performance level. He was still having residual differential weakness and lack of ROM issues despite not being symptomatic. He may have also aggravate the hamstring in the first few weeks of the season and new scar tissue formed. My understanding is scar tissue can continue to form for several weeks after the initial injury.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

No Cam at practice.

They need to get him fully healed up, Toth is acceptable back up until then and messing them around in and out of the line up is counterproductive anyway.

At this point you have to let Jurgens have another go fully healed, to see if he can get back to probowl level, because there have to be low key concerns we might need a new center.

8 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

They need to get him fully healed up, Toth is acceptable back up until then and messing them around in and out of the line up is counterproductive anyway.

At this point you have to let Jurgens have another go fully healed, to see if he can get back to probowl level, because there have to be low key concerns we might need a new center.

I agree they should not push him back. I think Toth has played better than Jurgens did coming back last week.

At this point, we just have to hope the OL can be healthy and playing full strength by the playoffs.

Luckily, it now looks like the back end of the schedule is less daunting that the first 10 games.

I’m optimistic that Fred Johnson and Toth can hold it down for a month or so.

New blocking TE?

1 minute ago, NCiggles said:

I agree they should not push him back. I think Toth has played better than Jurgens did coming back last week.

So last year, they had Mailata, Jurgens, Dickerson, Becton and Johnson basically health and full strength. This year, the only linemen to play every game, Mailata and Steen (I think). And you have had Dickerson playing like a shell of himself, Mailata not nearly as dominant. I agree with everyone that Patullo should be Ol' Yeller'd behind the shed....but the Oline is what makes this offense go. Add in stupid play designs. A brutal schedule against like all the top defenses. And a QB that has limitations and you get what we've been seeing.

And even with all of this, they are 8-2 having beaten the best of the NFL. I say, especially with the defense playing the way they are, hope Johnson comes back for the playoffs, but absolutely do not let Jurgens on the field until then either. And if for some reason we are able to lock in the #1 seed with a week or two to go.....rest everyone and their mothers, especially Dickerson. Then come playoffs, hopefully have a healed and rested O-Line that goes back to imposing their wills on defenses.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

New blocking TE?

Ah.... the Kelly Green helmets!!!!

4 hours ago, Utebird said:

16 points a game isnt going to win it all.

The defense is dominant but they need at least an offense that can eat clock and keep em fresh

If the run game was better this year id have more confidence in the conservative approach but the run game this year hasnt been anything to brag about

Go look at super bowl teams that were carried by their defense and they usually have a really good running game

2000 ravens had jamal lewis

Seattle legion of boom had marshawn lynch

Even the 2002 Bucs had a really good running game.

That broncos team with peyton manning playing with a broken neck had a pretty good running game and a dominant D.

Im not sure the eagles D as good as they are can make up for the birds ineptitude on offense.

The Eagles are scoring 23.4 PPG, not 16 PPG. You lose credibility when you use bogus stats to make your argument.

And 23 PPG could very well win the SB with this defense. Plus it's been against a murderous schedule, so the offense should be able to put up more points against weaker teams.

Interesting and tangential to our offense…

3 hours ago, vikas83 said:

It's a shame mental defect doesn't fall under the Rooney Rule, Howie would get even more 3rd round picks.

People are overreacting to the last two weeks on both sides of the ball.

Windy conditions both games limited the deep pass, which allowed defenses to cheat up a little.

Eagles defense is good, but not that good against two top offenses, under normal conditions Packers and Lions probably put up 17-20 points, and the Eagle offense scores in the 20s.

37 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

Isn't it possible that although his prior tear had healed, he had not returned to his prior performance level. He was still having residual differential weakness and lack of ROM issues despite not being symptomatic. He may have also aggravate the hamstring in the first few weeks of the season and new scar tissue formed. My understanding is scar tissue can continue to form for several weeks after the initial injury.

All possible, but the training staff should know that stuff and it would have been addressed.

He hasn't been slowed due to the injury.

The data is there. While he has slightly decreased top speed from last year, last year was the fastest of his career. So, hes still every bit as good as he was in previous dominant years with us, and Tennessee.

There is a utilization issue and a QB issue. That is all. People are overthinking, or grapsing at straws for a Hurtscuse.

22 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The Eagles are scoring 23.4 PPG, not 16 PPG. You lose credibility when you use bogus stats to make your argument.

And 23 PPG could very well win the SB with this defense. Plus it's been against a murderous schedule, so the offense should be able to put up more points against weaker teams.

Never said anything about their season scoring average, they put up 16 against the lions, a play off team, week before they only scored 10 against the packers.

Thats not going to cut it in the playoffs where theyll be playing top teams.

Sure theyve had a tough schedule and in the playoffs the schedule wont get easier itlll be tough, they need to get better in offense by then or itll be tough sledding. Who cares if they light up a bunch of weak teams, teams like the lions and Packers were measuring sticks and while the eagles barely won both due to their defense at some point the O is going to have to step up and do their part

41 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

You mean scheme them open? What kind if loser OC does that?

19 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People are overreacting to the last two weeks on both sides of the ball.

Windy conditions both games limited the deep pass, which allowed defenses to cheat up a little.

Eagles defense is good, but not that good against two top offenses, under normal conditions Packers and Lions probably put up 17-20 points, and the Eagle offense scores in the 20s.

Exactly. People are conveniently forgetting the tough weather conditions actually affect the opposing offenses too. It's not just because our defense is that amazing.

23 minutes ago, austinfan said:

People are overreacting to the last two weeks on both sides of the ball.

Windy conditions both games limited the deep pass, which allowed defenses to cheat up a little.

Eagles defense is good, but not that good against two top offenses, under normal conditions Packers and Lions probably put up 17-20 points, and the Eagle offense scores in the 20s.

Sure. The team has negative offensive plays on 11% of the offensive plays, because of the last two weeks.

8 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Exactly. People are conveniently forgetting the tough weather conditions actually affect the opposing offenses too. It's not just because our defense is that amazing.

I wasn't able to go to the game this past Sunday because of illness. (I'm hopeful I'll be okay by next Friday.) The guy I sit with just told me that it was colder and more brutal against the Lions than it was for any of the playoff games last year. When you factor in the way the ball was just sailing on field goal attempts, I have to think that the weather was an obvious significant factor in the game being so low scoring. Sure our defense played well but I don't think they're holding the Lions to under ten points in a dome.

Interesting that Eagles are saying Jurgens didn’t practice because of a concussion but don’t have anything about his knee on the injury report

1 hour ago, NYEagle said:

So last year, they had Mailata, Jurgens, Dickerson, Becton and Johnson basically health and full strength. This year, the only linemen to play every game, Mailata and Steen (I think). And you have had Dickerson playing like a shell of himself, Mailata not nearly as dominant. I agree with everyone that Patullo should be Ol' Yeller'd behind the shed....but the Oline is what makes this offense go. Add in stupid play designs. A brutal schedule against like all the top defenses. And a QB that has limitations and you get what we've been seeing.

And even with all of this, they are 8-2 having beaten the best of the NFL. I say, especially with the defense playing the way they are, hope Johnson comes back for the playoffs, but absolutely do not let Jurgens on the field until then either. And if for some reason we are able to lock in the #1 seed with a week or two to go.....rest everyone and their mothers, especially Dickerson. Then come playoffs, hopefully have a healed and rested O-Line that goes back to imposing their wills on defenses.

Problem is you don’t get the#1 seed resting guys, if they can play they play. They won’t be fully healthy until April or May.

2 minutes ago, Casey @ Bat said:

Problem is you don’t get the#1 seed resting guys, if they can play they play. They won’t be fully healthy until April or May.

I think there’s a balance where you play guys that are beat up but only if they are currently more capable than their replacement. I think a lot of times guys play to be "gritty” but the team allowing it does a disservice to the rest of the players and fans because their replacement might give the team a better chance at winning.

35 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Interesting that Eagles are saying Jurgens didn’t practice because of a concussion but don’t have anything about his knee on the injury report

He didn't look like he was limping when he left the game headed to the locker room.

Good news. I got an email back from VABeach_Eagle, he is ok. He has been tending to his mother's health as she's been in the hospital, and exhausted lately. He says he will be more available to log on soon.