6 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I give Nick full credit for the offense.

Every time he’s involved with it, it gets worse. They can’t even hire a real OC and let him do his thing because Nick has to make sure his amateur nonsense is in it somewhere.

Yes he’s gets a ton of credit for the garbage we see on offense.

This is where I don't agree with the "blame the coaches" crowd. I really don't think Nick just happens to feel like injecting amateur BS with one single route concept in the offense. He was the OC in Indy. Not saying he did anything to create Luck or that offense, but he sure didn't forcibly put his amateur fingerprints and route tree into that one.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

This is where I don't agree with the "blame the coaches" crowd. I really don't think Nick just happens to feel like injecting amateur BS with one single route concept in the offense. He was the OC in Indy. Not saying he did anything to create Luck or that offense, but he sure didn't forcibly put his amateur fingerprints and route tree into that one.

Well we’ve seen zero evidence to the contrary. Whatever he debuted with in 2021 was laughable. He had only known Hurts a few months it couldn’t all be Hurts deficiencies. I think he did 36845865 wr screens in a row at one point.

1 minute ago, DaBirds said:

Well we’ve seen zero evidence to the contrary. Whatever he debuted with in 2021 was laughable. He had only known Hurts a few months it couldn’t all be Hurts deficiencies. I think he did 36845865 wr screens in a row at one point.

Well the revered Steichen was the OC in 2021...

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Well the revered Steichen was the OC in 2021...

Yes… Nick handed the offense over to Steichen after a month or two and it suddenly took off and lasted all the way until the SB the next year.

Then in 2023 it looked like Siri’s offense again.

Weird coincidence.

The correlation I see with Nick’s increased involvement in the offense is that the passing volume goes up significantly. Essentially, the gameplan becomes let Jalen cook - which doesn’t necessarily mean 5 turnovers (!) but it does mean more turnovers. The analytics say consistently losing the turnover battle is bad, and eventually Nick is suppressed and the OC tries to win by other means. We have less means this season relative to prior years.

Gonna make the 2027 class even more loaded. 2026 is not the year to get a QB.

2 hours ago, DrPhilly said:

You sure do have a way with the details. Almost like you have years of experience with this exact event.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Gonna make the 2027 class even more loaded. 2026 is not the year to get a QB.

Smart choice - earn that NIL, work on your game.

On 12/12/2025 at 8:58 AM, we_gotta_believe said:

I don't remember this being as much of an issue last season or in 2022. Do you have any data to back this up or is this another one of your "Trust me, bro" sources?

Snow will be outta here by 8amish tomorrow, but it is going to be freezing during the game. 28 degrees with 30mph gusts and real feel of 16 degrees. Might be a 7-3 game.

12 minutes ago, Swoop said:

I appreciate the research - while I don’t like the ball being snapped with 1s on the play clock - the issue in my mind is when the huddle is broken and how much time the offense has at the LoS to survey the defense. We can get to the line with 15s left and snap at 2s, and that’s good not bad.

10 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Thanks. So if I'm reading these right, the year-by-year breakdown is like this?

2021:

Snaps with under 2 seconds on the play clock: 8%

Snaps with under 5 seconds on the play clock: ~32%

2022:

Under 2 seconds: 7%

Under 5 seconds: 30%

2023:

Under 2 seconds: ~10%

Under 5 seconds: 35%

2024:

Under 2 seconds: ~10%

Under 5 seconds: ~38%

2025 (so far):

Under 2 seconds: ~31%

Under 5 seconds: ~61%

One of these is not like the others.

32 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Thanks. So if I'm reading these right, the year-by-year breakdown is like this?

2021:

Snaps with under 2 seconds on the play clock: 8%

Snaps with under 5 seconds on the play clock: ~32%

2022:

Under 2 seconds: 7%

Under 5 seconds: 30%

2023:

Under 2 seconds: ~10%

Under 5 seconds: 35%

2024:

Under 2 seconds: ~10%

Under 5 seconds: ~38%

2025 (so far):

Under 2 seconds: ~31%

Under 5 seconds: ~61%

One of these is not like the others.

Which tells us a few things:

1) Regardless of the OC, we are consistently bad in this regard and getting worse.

2) Because of point 1, this is an area that Hurts obviously has some issues and needs to work on.

3) Patullo is doing him absolutely no favors whatsoever and in case anyone has missed the season up until this point, it's been obvious.

This has been an issue for years. I think it's fair to say Hurts is at least part of, if not a major part of, the issue. It's also fair to say that Patullo has clear issues and for whatever reason cannot properly communicate with Hurts creating a "water and oil" relationship.

1 hour ago, Sack that QB said:

Gonna make the 2027 class even more loaded. 2026 is not the year to get a QB.

I just brought Sellers up too as a potential dark horse pick for us similar to when we took Hurts.

9 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Which tells us a few things:

1) Regardless of the OC, we are consistently bad in this regard and getting worse.

2) Because of point 1, this is an area that Hurts obviously has some issues and needs to work on.

3) Patullo is doing him absolutely no favors whatsoever and in case anyone has missed the season up until this point, it's been obvious.

This has been an issue for years. I think it's fair to say Hurts is at least part of, if not a major part of, the issue. It's also fair to say that Patullo has clear issues and for whatever reason cannot properly communicate with Hurts creating a "water and oil" relationship.

I think most people would agree that the peak of our offensive success was with Steichen, and the percentage of rushed plays between 2024 and 2022 weren't that far apart, but from 2024 to 2025 we literally tripled the number of snaps with less than 2 seconds on the play clock. We went from 8% to 7% to 10% to 10% to 31%. I admire the mental gymnastics required to look at those numbers and somehow not conclude Patullo is the primary cause for the delays in getting the snap off in time.

48 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Thanks. So if I'm reading these right, the year-by-year breakdown is like this?

2021:

Snaps with under 2 seconds on the play clock: 8%

Snaps with under 5 seconds on the play clock: ~32%

2022:

Under 2 seconds: 7%

Under 5 seconds: 30%

2023:

Under 2 seconds: ~10%

Under 5 seconds: 35%

2024:

Under 2 seconds: ~10%

Under 5 seconds: ~38%

2025 (so far):

Under 2 seconds: ~31%

Under 5 seconds: ~61%

One of these is not like the others.

We run hurry-up to follow up on success, but have had very little success; and we’ve shown very little aggression in 2min situations. These might bend the numbers to a degree. There’s likely something intentional about getting the ‘final’ look at the defense near 0s.

1 minute ago, Waiting4Someday said:

We run hurry-up to follow up on success, but have had very little success; and we’ve shown very little aggression in 2min situations. These might bend the numbers to a degree. There’s likely something intentional about getting the ‘final’ look at the defense near 0s.

Jordan Mailata must've missed the memo if this is intended to be intentional.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

I think most people would agree that the peak of our offensive success was with Steichen, and the percentage of rushed plays between 2024 and 2022 weren't that far apart, but from 2024 to 2025 we literally tripled the number of snaps with less than 2 seconds on the play clock. We went from 8% to 7% to 10% to 10% to 31%. I admire the mental gymnastics required to look at those numbers and somehow not conclude Patullo is the primary cause for the delays in getting the snap off in time.

Are you referring to me?

I agree Patullo is a major issue this season. I also acknowledge that Hurts is likely the reason we are consistently one of the worst teams in football with this as this has been an issue regardless of the OC. Both can be true

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Jordan Mailata must've missed the memo if this is intended to be intentional.

Again there’s a difference between snapping the ball late and arriving at the LoS late.

In however many years from now it'll be interesting to find out who was the reason for all these damn hitch routes

5 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Again there’s a difference between snapping the ball late and arriving at the LoS late.

He said we were getting out of the huddle late which wasn't allowing us to make protection calls, checks, or alerts. Are you implying that he was wrong and that we're actually getting to the line with enough time and then intentionally running the play clock down to 2 seconds?

16 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I find it absolutely unconscionable that Dickerson is going to play Sunday. Aside from his extremely high risk of exacerbating his injury or, more likely, a more severe de novo compensatory injury and the near certainty that he won’t play well, there is a cost, a negative impact, when you need a mid game mid series substitution on the OL. It would be both refreshing and an upgrade of sorts to just have Pryor or anyone else play 100% of the offensive snaps and be able to get up and the end of a play and walk without a limp back to the LOS.

Screw that, I’ll take a 1 legged Dickerson over Pryor.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

He said we were getting out of the huddle late which wasn't allowing us to make protection calls, checks, or alerts. Are you implying that he was wrong and that we're actually getting to the line with enough time and then intentionally running the play clock down to 2 seconds?

I’m implying sometimes they get the line late as Jordan regrets, and other times they choose to snap the ball late for other tactical reasons.

7 minutes ago, Swoop said:

Are you referring to me?

I agree Patullo is a major issue this season. I also acknowledge that Hurts is likely the reason we are consistently one of the worst teams in football with this as this has been an issue regardless of the OC. Both can be true

After looking at those numbers, between the OC and QB, who would you say is the primary cause for us to be having over 30% of our snaps with less than 2 seconds on the play clock?

This is glaring