3 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Burden of proof on a message board whose foundation, walls, roof, plumbing, electricity is opinion?

He thinks hes a big deal.

6 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

He thinks hes a big deal.

We all can't be as impressive as you, HE

11 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Burden of proof on a message board whose foundation, walls, roof, plumbing, electricity is opinion?

My apologies for prioritizing facts over feelings.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

My apologies for prioritizing facts over feelings.

Thats not what you did. If you did that, youd have looked it up and confirmed what I have been telling you.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

My apologies for prioritizing facts over feelings.

It's a message board. It's exactly where opinions over facts live.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

It's a message board. It's exactly where opinions over facts live.

You are free to believe an unsubstantiated opinion carries the same weight as a substantiated one. It's silly, of course, but if that's how you feel, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You are free to believe an unsubstantiated opinion carries the same weight as a substantiated one. It's silly, of course, but if that's how you feel, I'm not going to try to convince you otherwise.

It has nothing to do with what I believe about opinion vs. fact.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

Correct. But the OC isn't communicating in the huddle. That's the QB.

QB gets a play call and has to spend a few extra seconds looking it up on his wrist band and then communicate it to the team. It's extremely possible that the slow processing QB is the bottle neck in that situation since it's been an issue since before Patullo

It has been an issue in the past but never to this degree, and they supposedly hired this clown to keep continuity with the offense so there shouldn't be anything new to process. It has to be patullo

17 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

It has nothing to do with what I believe about opinion vs. fact.

It also had nothing to do with today's discussion. There is no unsubstantiated opinion being discussed. Its a substantiated fact and he can find the evidence substantiating it if he wanted to, but he prefers to argue and not be proven wrong.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Pryor.

Are we sure that's an improvement over Toth?

3 minutes ago, devpool said:

It has been an issue in the past but never to this degree, and they supposedly hired this clown to keep continuity with the offense so there shouldn't be anything new to process. It has to be patullo

Thats true too. It can be both. Hurts was apparently bad at communicating to the huddle quickly enough already, and maybe somehow Patullo is not helping the situation. However, Id still place most of the blame on the guy who has been the constant during the time this issue has presented itself.

I also agree about Patullo being hired to keep continuity. But I wonder what exactly continuity is to this team? Last year Hurts said 95% of the offense was new. People still complained about last years offense and called it the Siri offense. Now, is the continuity this year more of the 95% new offense? Or the old Siri offense? And, why doesnt it ever look all that different? There are said to be differences, even when it is supposed to be the same. We see new things, and then those things disappear and it goes back to looking the same.

To me it looks like each new OC tries to install his own twists, and the QB gets confused and it all gets thrown out. New OC, new concepts, throw out, back to old concepts. Cycle repeats.

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

ats true too. It can be both. Hurts was apparently bad at communicating to the huddle quickly enough already, and maybe somehow Patullo is not helping the situation. However, Id still place most of the blame on the guy who has been the constant during the time this issue has presented itself.

I also agree about Patullo being hired to keep continuity. But I wonder what exactly continuity is to this team? Last year Hurts said 95% of the offense was new. People still complained about last years offense and called it the Siri offense. Now, is the continuity this year more of the 95% new offense? Or the old Siri offense? And, why doesnt it ever look all that different? There are said to be differences, even when it is supposed to be the same. We see new things, and then those things disappear and it goes back to looking the same.

To me it looks like each new OC tries to install his own twists, and the QB gets confused and it all gets thrown out. New OC, new concepts, throw out, back to old concepts. Cycle repeats.

I don't think Patullo is good by any means, but every OC that comes through these doors and Sirianni will always catch shrapnel with Hurts at QB. Playing it safe (as proven from last game) is the only way to win consistently with Hurts at QB. He is so limited at the position that every single domino must fall perfectly in place for the offense to look semi-competent (best OL, best WR duo, best RB, a dominant TE). For those that like to forget, their passing offense sucked last year as well because of Hurts. What he did in the NFCC and Superbowl will never be forgotten, because he was actually dominant as a passer. It still doesn't make sense, but I'll take it. I was optimistic that he would build off of those dominant performances into this season, but instead he has regressed. That was clearly the exception and not the rule. These last 2 games, they clearly opened up the offensive playbook a little bit, and it completely overwhelmed Hurts. WRs running wide open, Goedert wide open on checkdowns almost every play, and Hurts once again making poor decision after poor decision. If you want to blame coaching, don't blame them for "not scheming" WRs open. They're always open. Blame them for running a normal looking offense with normal concepts which clearly overwhelm QB1.

14 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

To me it looks like each new OC tries to install his own twists, and the QB gets confused and it all gets thrown out. New OC, new concepts, throw out, back to old concepts. Cycle repeats.

It's Nick's offense, he's the constant and is the mean to which the offense will regress.

Two of those OCs got HC jobs, so their new concepts must not have worked out soon poorly or confused Hurts too much. Maybe they confused Nick and Patullo

55 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

We all can't be as impressive as you, HE

In fairness, it’s because we don’t try as hard.

Eagles message board logic - "My opinions are facts because I say so"

It's really sad and pathetic when people are too dumb to realize how badly they expose themselves on a regular basis and then try to talk in circles to get out of it. On the flip side I enjoy the entertainment and laughter it provides.

9 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

It's Nick's offense, he's the constant and is the mean to which the offense will regress.

Two of those OCs got HC jobs, so their new concepts must not have worked out soon poorly or confused Hurts too much. Maybe they confused Nick and Patullo

Getting a HC job seems like a great barometer to go by since everyone hates Patullo and now for the 2nd time in a few weeks we see his name come up as a candidate for HC jobs next season.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

And in those Yucs throwback ugly colors too. 🤣

11 minutes ago, just relax said:

In fairness, it’s because we don’t try as hard.

So you interpreted me not taking the time to search through previous threads to provide evidence as trying hard? Interesting the way some of you guys think.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

I know for a fact I remember people complaining about it in this thread last year as well. You could look it up in last year's blog but youll probably prefer to leave it at a trust me bro.

There was no data posted on it last year. People are making a bigger deal of it this year. Maybe its even worse this year. But it was bad enough that people noticed and complained last year as well.

You could hypothesise that the turnaround time from the play call going into the QB, looking at the wrist band, breaking the huddle and get to the LOS to snap the ball, and the QB then taking a relatively long time to review the field and throw the ball, have a single constant over the past few seasons. Jalen Hurts.

It's harsh to throw out there in isolation (hence a hypothesis on a boring Friday afternoon without looking at McKee, Pickett, etc), but if looking for a trend, it does stand out at a high level. Different playcaller, different/tweaked system, different OL pieces. same issue. Something for the tape nerds out there to run with (you have my permission)

6 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Eagles message board logic - "My opinions are facts because I say so"

It's really sad and pathetic when people are too dumb to realize how badly they expose themselves on a regular basis and then try to talk in circles to get out of it. On the flip side I enjoy the entertainment and laughter it provides.

Im glad you find joy in not being able to understand situations.

It is my belief that Jalen Hurts is the problem. Not the only problem. But the core problem. I believe that all coaches and other personnel are adapting the scheme and responsibilities to the unique cocoon in which he can perform and succeed. I don't think Siri is some offensive genius or ever will be...but I also don't think a so-called offensive genius coach like Mcvay would ever tolerate Hurts as his QB. That's my opinion. I may be wrong. I don't need everyone to see it my way. I don't crave to be proven right, I'd rather just east some crow and see the offense not suck.

These things have a way of gradually fading over time until no one is really proven right or wrong because the entire operation gets replaced. These guys JUST won a SB together last year. And that means it is borderline insanity to make aggressive changes besides the one new component, OC (and it's 100% certain Patullo is fired in the offseason as the fall guy). So, regrettably, I feel the Eagles are committed and locked into a 3 year slide with nothing anyone can do about it. Next year is the year a new OC with Siri as the lame duck-do-nothing HC run it back with Hurts as QB. The results will be uninspiring with Barkley/AJ/OL all a year older and worse for the wear. Then the coaching staff turns over with ANOTHER new offensive coach (this time a new HC) running it back with Hurts as a lame duck QB that the new coach with a more traditional offensive approach has minimal commitment to...and before you know it, we are already in 2028 with a new coach in year 2 and a new qb in year 1 who has a bumpy runway to learning how to play the position in the NFL. I feel like that's the road in front of this franchise and it's going to be many years before the offense really has a chance again.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

So you interpreted me not taking the time to search through previous threads to provide evidence as trying hard? Interesting the way some of you guys think.

I see you’re having another one of those days of yours again. Go tape some ankles and lighten up Alice.