1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

1k percent. They have all they need. Nick will cost them.

Yup, Tank didnt have a carry in the 4th quarter.

It was inexplicably bad.

I think though eagles obviously wanted to showcase McKee, they didnt and I dont think they were serious about winning as they didnt want to play on a short week saturday game

And yes Patullo sucks at playcalling

I agree with Jimmy. I think the Eagles got lesser teams that finished first in a fluky weird year.

Think its time to move on from Harbaugh. Been a good run for him and Baltimore but they need a change.

Been hearing Lamar might want out as well. Dont know how true that is. Ravens might be starting over next year.

The Steelers defense was so bad in that 4th quarter, they got incredibly lucky. Big Rodg rolling back the clock with a trash WR group.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Hard time seeing the Steelers winning that game. Took the ravens secondary getting injured and a missed Loop FG. Texans don’t have a great offense but if Lamar who’s not been great all year and zay flowers can do that I’m guessing Nico Collins is in for a big day.

Yup, steelers have the most expensive D in football and theyve bee inconsistent all year, much like the eagles most expensive offense

They truly broke the NFCE curse

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Steelers, yea. Bears/Panthers seem to be two teams on the up in their division.

I’d feels like the panthers still need a QB. I don’t think young is that guy. Maybe he flourishes next year but feels like he’s what holds that offense from being better.

Bears feel very commanders like. They’ve won a bunch of games in the final possession. Feels like it’s starting to catch up to them the last two weeks. Sadly the only games they really ran away with since November and weren’t final possession were us and the browns

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup, steelers have the most expensive D in football and theyve bee inconsistent all year, much like the eagles most expensive offense

I’d probably say the eagles, Texans and Steelers have the 3 worst play callers out of the 14 playoff teams. I’d say Carolina but i think their talent and Qb is a bigger issue

4 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

The Steelers defense was so bad in that 4th quarter, they got incredibly lucky. Big Rodg rolling back the clock with a trash WR group.

Pretty sure the ravens were without a starting corner and Hamilton was out since midway through the 3rd. Why the Steelers also looked good on offense down the stretch

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d probably say the eagles, Texans and Steelers have the 3 worst play callers out of the 14 playoff teams.

Yup I had the colts texans game on tv today and alot of talk about texans first year OC and how theyve had 17 games to figure it out and are still struggling.

That texans D much like the eagles is legit but often has to over come its own offense

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup I had the colts texans game on tv today and alot of talk about texans first year OC and how theyve had 17 games to figure it out and are still struggling.

That texans D much like the eagles is legit but often has to over come its own offense

If the Texans can somehow get the broncos in the divisional round i think they win that game. They played before and stroud got hurt midgame. Imo their defense is better than the broncos. The broncos have also not played well offensively in a while. Last 9 games they’ve averaged just 21.5. Tend to think New England is a worse matchup for them.

curious to see how that jags/bills game goes. I think ETN should be able to run all over the bills. But not sure i trust the jags yet. Then again i really only trust Allen and cook for buffalo

Some positives, i actually thought Cameron Williams looked competent out there in his first ever nfl reps. He was awful preseason and looked like he at least belonged on an NFL roster as a developmental guy. Also think Kendall could step in for Jurgens if Jurgens goes down. So future backups next year look promising.

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some positives, i actually thought Cameron Williams looked competent out there in his first ever nfl reps. He was awful preseason and looked like he at least belonged on an NFL roster as a developmental guy. Also think Kendall could step in for Jurgens if Jurgens goes down. So future backups next year look promising.

Kendall should have stepped in for Jurgens about a month ago, and I said so a little over a month ago.

Jurgens hasnt been a functional center all year, hes been the worst starting OL in the league.

We keep hearing that hes hurt and a warrior, well thats cool except that warriors without arms are useless.

Hes the black knight from monty pythons holy grail after hes armless and knee capped, Cams not biting anyone's bloody knee caps off.

Sit him down, let someone play like kendall or toth who are functional instead of trotting out a paraplegic jurgens every week and telling us hes a warrior...😒

34 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

1k percent. They have all they need. Nick will cost them.

I saw McKee dealing for a few drives. Then suck. But then, without Hurts muddying the picture the shortcomings of Patullo were even more obvious as well.

We are in Hurts season now. And he can still catch a good bit of blame if he doesn't start using his legs now. But when Hurts is known for being clutch in the post season, if this offense still can't deliver some more points I'll be placing the majority of the blame on Patullo for any potential playoff failure. I think.

Current lines for every game:

rams -10

GB -1.5

Bills -1.5

Eagles -3.5

NE -3.5

Texans -3

Feel like the patriots as long as Maye doesn’t crap the bed is going to cover. I don trust Chargers oline to hold up in that game.

Also surprised the bills are favorites. It’s probably cause it’s Josh Allen. Jags have won 8 in a row (9 of 10) and even the game they lost to Texans were up 29-10 and took foot off the gas. I’d argue outside of cook and Allen (think OL is a push) that the jags have the better overall roster particularly defensively and at WR.

4 hours ago, pisceschica said:

But who hired Patullo?! Who has allowed offensive woes go on for 4 months?

If Nick is honest with himself he's clearly shown he's not good at designing/calling plays or hiring a competent OC for a team coming off of a SB win? So why did he make the same mistake he made in 2023? Its absolutely his fault.

It's just really weird that people basically erase any good work Nick has ever done because he isn't calling plays? He was pretty involved with every part of the offense that wasn't play-calling all throughout both 2021 and 2022?

And nobody seems to care about this, but having to replace your OC literally every year is not normal. I hate to break it to you, but OC hires being total flops aren't exactly abnormal, so doing it extremely frequently doesn't help. But it's not going to stop as long as we:

• Keep hiring young OCs.

• Have Jalen as QB, since he proves adaptability in OCs.

I've said it a bunch of times, but even teams with defensive HCs that can't call a lick of offense get their OCs poached less than the Eagles. That's not Nick's fault. The organization needs to accept this situation and start stashing future coordinator talent on the roster, using the argument that in 1 year they'll probably be OC, so that way, we're not at a disadvantage hiring after the Super Bowl.

But this is all hindsight, because this doesn't happen to practically anyone else, I doubt anyone thought we'd end up in the same situation all over again from the start of the year - remember, at the beginning of 2024 we had NO IDEA we'd be anywhere near the Super Bowl, coming off the collapse. We had two rookie corners, weren't sure how Fangio would go, etc etc.

It's a unique situation, though people will never admit that.

And last but not least, I have a feeling the organization got shellshocked after 2023's midseason firings. Lurie was very supportive in the interim if you remember, and I don't think that's a coincidence.

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's just really weird that people basically erase any good work Nick has ever done because he isn't calling plays? He was pretty involved with every part of the offense that wasn't play-calling all throughout both 2021 and 2022?

And nobody seems to care about this, but having to replace your OC literally every year is not normal. I hate to break it to you, but OC hires being total flops aren't exactly abnormal, so doing it extremely frequently doesn't help. But it's not going to stop as long as we:

• Keep hiring young OCs.

• Have Jalen as QB, since he proves adaptability in OCs.

I've said it a bunch of times, but even teams with defensive HCs that can't call a lick of offense get their OCs poached less than the Eagles. That's not Nick's fault. The organization needs to accept this situation and start stashing future coordinator talent on the roster, using the argument that in 1 year they'll probably be OC, so that way, we're not at a disadvantage hiring after the Super Bowl.

But this is all hindsight, because this doesn't happen to practically anyone else, I doubt anyone thought we'd end up in the same situation all over again from the start of the year - remember, at the beginning of 2024 we had NO IDEA we'd be anywhere near the Super Bowl, coming off the collapse. We had two rookie corners, weren't sure how Fangio would go, etc etc.

It's a unique situation, though people will never admit that.

And last but not least, I have a feeling the organization got shellshocked after 2023's midseason firings. Lurie was very supportive in the interim if you remember, and I don't think that's a coincidence.

If Nick was capable of fixing it, it would be fixed by now. He has no answers and never does. He needs an exceptional OC to make him look competent. If Vic weren’t here, Nick would be a Monday fire. If we can’t keep OC’s we should’ve hired an offensive coach, capable of either calling plays himself or helping an OC. Nick does nothing. He is a moron.

To no one's surprise, Im going to point something out that reflects negatively upon Hurts.

Tanner McKee played an objectively bad game. Despite a nice start, it got real bad.

The very sad thing is that while many of the things he did wrong tonight were uncharacteristic of what we had seen of him so far, they were all things that are very common mistakes from Hurts.

Scrambling right only to throw away. Happy feet at times. Took a bad Sack where he had time to throw it away and should have. Throwing when he could have run. And poor ball placement much of the night. Very resemblant of a typical bad Hurts game.

It's one thing for an unproven inexperienced backup to do this. It's quite another for a veteran QB so be doing those things regularly.

These are things that had nothing or very little to do with the OC failure tonight.

And as bad as McKee looked by the end of the game, he still completed 5 passes in the second half instead of 0. Playing with all backups. Not the all star starters.

Tonight was very illuminating of the Patullo issues that have nothing to do with Hurts. But, it still makes me feel bad about Hurts too. He still shares a TON of the blame for the failures here, for not being capable of better than what McKee was tonight.

1 hour ago, ToastJenkins said:

Who else was available post SB?

I don't know. Someone with experience at being a play caller. Reich, Dougie P etc. But to my knowledge not really looking and just promoting from within was a bad move. Doing it thr first time was bad enough but then again repeating the same mistake is a travesty imo.

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I saw McKee dealing for a few drives. Then suck. But then, without Hurts muddying the picture the shortcomings of Patullo were even more obvious as well.

We are in Hurts season now. And he can still catch a good bit of blame if he doesn't start using his legs now. But when Hurts is known for being clutch in the post season, if this offense still can't deliver some more points I'll be placing the majority of the blame on Patullo for any potential playoff failure. I think.

I think the honest truth is that the organization is holding players back. The style in which they coach is probably too passive. Everyone talks about things like playing to players strengths, but what they really need to do is improve the strengths of their players. The organization thanks to Chip Kelly shellshock decided to be more player friendly, but they really need to cut back a bit and push their players.

Jalen for example really needs to be given heavy training on his mechanics and reads during the off-season. They need to stop trying to play around him and work on things together instead - avoiding the problem instead of addressing it I think is really what causes so many problems. There's no way to know where the originator in this is, but I honestly think a lot of the problem comes from upstairs. You have to start wondering at some point if they're scared because of what happened with Carson Wentz.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

A man who's never won anything. Congrats bro.

3 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

If Nick was capable of fixing it, it would be fixed by now. He has no answers and never does. He needs an exceptional OC to make him look competent. If Vangio weren’t here, Nick would be a Monday fire. If we can’t keep OC’s we should’ve hired an offensive coach, capable of either calling plays himself or helping an OC. Nick does nothing. He is a moron.

That's also a hindsight thought, because before Siranni no one knew this would happen at all. It happens only very rarely.

I won't address the 'exceptional OC' bit because sorry, I haven't seen him actually run the offense himself enough with a normal style QB to make that judgment.

The thing I keep going back to with the Eagles offense is it’s the same issues they’ve had since week one. When you watch their games (outside of like the Raiders, commanders in DC and the Giants at home) they have 3-4 possessions in games where they look good. Makes you start saying maybe they’ve turned the corner. Then reality hits and everything outside of that it looks like they just throw crap against the wall and hope it works or turtle up and be conservative.

Like I would ask the question what have the Eagles gotten better at on offense over the course of the season? I’m not sure I can say they’ve gotten better at anything. They’ve been consistently the same offense since opening night. That’s what bothers me with patullo. Was willing to give him a chance. There was always going to be a learning curve with a 1st year OC who’s never called plays. the hope was over the course of the season was he’d grow into the role and get better. Unfortunately that’s not the case. It’s the same irritating issues popping up every week (even with backups) and not improving on the job.