7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The thing I keep going back to with the Eagles offense is it’s the same issues they’ve had since week one. When you watch their games (outside of like the Raiders, commanders in DC and the Giants at home) they have 3-4 possessions in games where they look good. Makes you start saying maybe they’ve turned the corner. Then reality hits and everything outside of that it looks like they just throw crap against the wall and hope it works or turtle up and be conservative.

Like I would ask the question what have the Eagles gotten better at on offense over the course of the season? I’m not sure I can say they’ve gotten better at anything. They’ve been consistently the same offense since opening night. That’s what bothers me with patullo. Was willing to give him a chance. There was always going to be a learning curve with a 1st year OC who’s never called plays. the hope was over the course of the season was he’d grow into the role and get better. Unfortunately that’s not the case. It’s the same irritating issues popping up every week (even with backups) and not improving on the job.

You really have to wonder who's responsible for the scripted plays. It's very likely not Patullo.

20 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

If Nick was capable of fixing it, it would be fixed by now. He has no answers and never does. He needs an exceptional OC to make him look competent. If Vic weren’t here, Nick would be a Monday fire. If we can’t keep OC’s we should’ve hired an offensive coach, capable of either calling plays himself or helping an OC. Nick does nothing. He is a moron.

I’m not a huge sirianni defender but i don’t think he’s a moron. He’s good at what he’s good at. Outside of collapse of 2023 he’s kept the locker room together. Hes able to manage personalities. Intangible stuff. He has his flaws which I believe he’s not some guru sophisticated scheme, oriented head coach. It’s why he needs as much help from his OC like Steichen and Moore gave him.

Simply he is not a mcvay, Ben Johnson, shanahan or coen type of innovative and scheming HC. Those guys scheme their talent better and don’t need as much help doing it. Granted they each have their own flaws that i could argue sirianni is usually better at then they are.

That’s really the complication. I said this when Doug was here, he was not some scheme guru either. He was good at what he was good at. I gave him a ton of credit cause 2017 and he maximize Nick Foles was arguably his best coaching of his entire career. Also came on here in 2017 after the Seahawks loss, I said the Eagles are converting 3rd and longs at a ridiculous rate. I don’t have the statistics anymore, but at the time I posted it and said it’s really hard to sustain that especially once wentz got hurt. To Doug and reich’s credit, by playoff time they made Foles be in more manageable situations. Imo part of the eagles mess on offense is far too often not in good 3rd down a (frankly 2nd down) positions.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

You really have to wonder who's responsible for the scripted plays. It's very likely not Patullo.

Probably the same guy that can’t get his OC nor his offense to adjust once the scripted plays are over.

WTF is wrong with Lurie and Howie letting him pick KP a year after he crapped the bed picking someone from his own staff?

I don't want to jear nobody was out there this choice was talked about before the SB. There were other minds out there and they were stupid as hell to let Nick pick.

This is on them for letting that clown pick from his staff. Raise your hand if you honestly thought this was a good move? Anyone who says so is a flat out liar.

And they are still sitting there watching them throw three times from 2nd and goal or park Tank on the bench for a quarter, or throw a deep pass on 3rd and 3 with under two minutes to an UDFA with the #2 seed on the line.

They didn't lose because they rested their starters. They didn't lose because of the OL or any other excuse people make for them. They lost because of incompetence not only by KP and Nick, but Howie and Lurie who let the idiot pick another OC from his staff with no experience. They are great and we are lucky to have them but they let us down.

Wasting a generational defense and a team that Howie buit with tons of talent. Coaches should not cost you games over and over.

Very optimistic about Hurts and this offense next week and playing more complimentary football as we go along here. Lane Johnson & Fred Johnson at TE will be a nice boost starting next week. It will be a different ball game. Gotta see the forest through the trees. I know it's hard for many of you. Also, the Highest Red Zone conversion rate in the NFL is attributed to your Philadelphia Eagles. All this nonsense chatter will be hushed after this upcoming 49ers game. Enjoy!!

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Probably the same guy that can’t get his OC nor his offense to adjust once the scripted plays are over.

Yeah I think it's Sirianni who does the script too. I'm not 100% sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Truthfully, I don't think he wants to try, but I don't think he'd call a worse game than Patullo. Some people have this weird idea that a more conservative Eagles offense is mainly Sirianni, and that's a negative thing. However, I look at it differently. Sirianni basically stopped calling plays because he was the opposite of conservative, calling way too many pass plays and being way too aggressive. However, if it really is him that influences so much conservatism, that kind of shows his mentality is adaptable.

I think he'd call a more even game now, but I think he really doesn't want to go back to play calling. I think he legitimately does not like doing it. Which is kind of a shame because this is probably the one time he really needs to consider it.

1 hour ago, Eriv20 said:

We’ve known this all season long. Only Nick believes in KP. Hopefully he refuses to fire him at seasons end so he can go with him like Doug P

The Bucs traded two firsts and two seconds for Gruden. Let Howie trade his clown ass for a lot less to one of the bottom feeders who are dumb enough to do it.

2 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Very optimistic about Hurts and this offense next week and playing more complimentary football as we go along here. Lane Johnson & Fred Johnson at TE will be a nice boost starting next week. It will be a different ball game. Gotta see the forest through the trees. I know it's hard for many of you. Also, the Highest Red Zone conversion rate in the NFL is attributed to your Philadelphia Eagles. All this nonsense chatter will be hushed after this upcoming 49ers game. Enjoy!!

Will there be a new OC? If not Hurts and the rest have to win with anchors around them. There is no magic switch when someone is that incompetent.

3 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

WTF is wrong with Lurie and Howie letting him pick KP a year after he crapped the bed picking someone from his own staff?

I don't want to jear nobody was out there this choice was talked about before the SB. There were other minds out there and they were stupid as hell to let Nick pick.

This is on them for letting that clown pick from his staff. Raise your hand if you honestly thought this was a good move? Anyone who says so is a flat out liar.

And they are still sitting there watching them throw three times from 2nd and goal or park Tank on the bench for a quarter, or throw a deep pass on 3rd and 3 with under two minutes to an UDFA with the #2 seed on the line.

They didn't lose because they restarted their starters. They didn't lose because of the OL or any other excuse people make for them. They lost because of incompetence not only by KP and Nick, but Howie and Lurie who let the idiot pick another OC from his staff with no experience.

Wasting a generational defense and a team that Howie buit with tons of talent. Coaches should not cost you games over and over.

Not really the issue. It's not really about picking or not picking.

Let me put it like this. What you're basically asking for is perennial high level offense. If that's the case, you pretty much can never pick a rookie coordinator ever. You need to be bringing in all experienced coordinators, every year, who have already had development in NFL teams. That's actually very hard to do, but it's your only option. Rookie staff positions are just more likely to struggle for obvious reasons, and it really doesn't matter whether it's from Nick's staff, or someone else's. Mind you, historically, many teams who get their staff plucked after the Super Bowl struggle, so we'll have to find solutions to that problem if we want to 'not waste even a single year from our generational defense'.

Don't pick rookies, simple as that really.

I didn't like the game plan. McKee 40 passes? Really? A football field worth of penalties. Tank was killing it but you go away from him on easy 3rd and 1 and 4th and 1. Nick and KP get the blame for not leaning on the run game when you backup hasn't played all season. Tanner was only Ok but it's hard to be mad at him when he was throwing 40 times cold off the bench. Backup Defense was a mess with Penalties too. It was winnable game so that's disappointing. Bad news is the Lions did their job, sadly our coaches didn't do theirs. With that said, we can still get two home games at the #3 Seed. 49ers it is.

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

Not really the issue. It's not really about picking or not picking.

Let me put it like this. What you're basically asking for is perennial high level offense. If that's the case, you pretty much can never pick a rookie coordinator ever. You need to be bringing in all experienced coordinators, every year, who have already had development in NFL teams. That's actually very hard to do, but it's your only option. Rookie staff positions are just more likely to struggle for obvious reasons, and it really doesn't matter whether it's from Nick's staff, or someone else's. Mind you, historically, many teams who get their staff plucked after the Super Bowl struggle, so we'll have to find solutions to that problem if we want to 'not waste even a single year from our generational defense'.

No, what I'm asking for is a MOFO who isn't stupid like KP. A clown with a bingo cage picking plays probably doesn't sit Tank for a quarter or throw 3 times from the 3.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

No, what I'm asking for is a MOFO who isn't stupid like KP. A clown with a bingo cage picking plays probably doesn't sit Tank for a quarter or throw 3 times from the 3.

So you're saying you think rookie coordinators are fine, but just not ones who are as dumb as Patullo?

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

So you're saying you think rookie coordinators are fine, but just not ones who are as dumb as Patullo?

I'm saying for the 2nd time in 3 years Nick picked a horrible person. This guy is even worse than the last. I'd gladly take him over KP. An average OC, not even good, but just an average guy wins a SB with this team. Again, a clown picking bingo balls would do better. It's common sense stuff he us unable to get past.

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yeah I think it's Sirianni who does the script too. I'm not 100% sure, but it wouldn't surprise me.

Truthfully, I don't think he wants to try, but I don't think he'd call a worse game than Patullo. Some people have this weird idea that a more conservative Eagles offense is mainly Sirianni, and that's a negative thing. However, I look at it differently. Sirianni basically stopped calling plays because he was the opposite of conservative, calling way too many pass plays and being way too aggressive. However, if it really is him that influences so much conservatism, that kind of shows his mentality is adaptable.

I think he'd call a more even game now, but I think he really doesn't want to go back to play calling. I think he legitimately does not like doing it. Which is kind of a shame because this is probably the one time he really needs to consider it.

So you’re going back to 2021, and I think in 2021 to start the year they wanted to see how much of an improved passer Jalen hurts was. And they wanted to have a definitive answer going into the 2022 off-season about whether or not he could be a sustainable option at quarterback since they had assets to either build around or go after their guy. I believe some of Sirianni’s play calling was to see what he had in hurts as a passer. I think he also gave up play calling cause he couldn’t handle doing that along the other aspects of his job on gameday.

Also lets not forget they attempted to try to get into the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes and the Russell Wilson sweepstakes. Furthermore, there were rumors that they loved and were willing to try to move up to get Zach Wilson but the Jets weren’t gonna move off of spot. To me, I wouldn’t be so surprised especially with lurie’s philosophy of wanting to be a passing team if there was some pressure from Howie/Lurie to see what hurts could do as a passer. Even if Lurie/Howie loved hurts they needed an answer for the offseason and i think Sirianni went a little overboard to start.

That said they struck out on all those other anvenues and we’re willing to give hurts another year in 2022. And then hurts made a massive jump in 2022. Which then the eagles basically said we’re just going to build around him because as believe we put enough talent around him he could be this type of player consistently and we can win a Super Bowl with him.

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I'm saying for the 2nd time in 3 years Nick picked horrible people. This guy is even worse than the last. I'd gladly take him over KP. An average OC, not even good, but just an average guy wins a SB with this team.

To be honest, I think part of the problem is that the coaching talent on the offensive staff as a whole just isn't very good. On defense, I see a lot of player development, but on offense, there's a lot of buying, which I think comes partially from fairly questionable player development. This means that the pipeline for coaching talent picks is also not very good. I think that's probably the biggest reason why staff picks from our own roster isn't the greatest. It'd be different if we say, had stashed people like Miami did, where both Bevell and Bobby Slowik, former OCs, were there. But it's not really like that.

To be equally honest, you can't make good picks on staff if there aren't good picks on staff. But the biggest problem is, Nick really should be accurately evaluating that. I think that's probably the thing that annoys me.

As a side note, is that saying you believe the defense of this team is better than last year's? Or is it more the general belief that the field of opponents this year is pretty weak?

6 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

So you’re going back to 2021, and I think in 2021 to start the year they wanted to see how much of an improved passer Jalen hurts was. And they wanted to have a definitive answer going into the 2022 off-season about whether or not he could be a sustainable option at quarterback since they had assets to either build around or go after their guy. I believe some of Sirianni’s play calling was to see what he had in hurts as a passer. I think he also gave up play calling cause he couldn’t handle doing that along the other aspects of his job on gameday.

Also lets not forget they attempted to try to get into the Deshaun Watson sweepstakes and the Russell Wilson sweepstakes. Furthermore, there were rumors that they loved and were willing to try to move up to get Zach Wilson but the Jets weren’t gonna move off of spot. To me, I wouldn’t be so surprised especially with lurie’s philosophy of wanting to be a passing team if there was some pressure from Howie/Lurie to see what hurts could do as a passer. Even if Lurie/Howie loved hurts they needed an answer for the offseason and i think Sirianni went a little overboard to start.

That said they struck out on all those other anvenues and we’re willing to give hurts another year in 2022. And then hurts made a massive jump in 2022. Which then the eagles basically said we’re just going to build around him because as believe we put enough talent around him he could be this type of player consistently and we can win a Super Bowl with him.

That's actually a really excellent point, about if there was influence from upstairs. It's honestly really hard to say without being in the building. Kind of really muddies thinking about Sirianni as a play-caller, I guess there's just no way to know unless he tries calling a game again. Like we both said though, I think he just really, really doesn't like it.

So based on the schedule had the Eagles won they would have played Packers on Saturday. Now it's Sunday against the 9ers.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

To be honest, I think part of the problem is that the coaching talent on the offensive staff as a whole just isn't very good. On defense, I see a lot of player development, but on offense, there's a lot of buying, which I think comes partially from fairly questionable player development. This means that the pipeline for coaching talent picks is also not very good. I think that's probably the biggest reason why staff picks from our own roster isn't the greatest. It'd be different if we say, had stashed people like Miami did, where both Bevell and Bobby Slowik, former OCs, were there. But it's not really like that.

To be honest, you can't make good picks on staff if there aren't good picks on staff. But the biggest problem is, Nick really should be accurately evaluating that. I think that's probably the thing that annoys me.

As a side note, is that saying you believe the defense of this team is better than last year's? Or is it more the general belief that the field of opponents this year is pretty weak?

I think last year was the best I've seen since Reggie and while this one isn't as good they sure seem like my second choice based on the last few weeks.

5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

I'm saying for the 2nd time in 3 years Nick picked a horrible person. This guy is even worse than the last. I'd gladly take him over KP. An average OC, not even good, but just an average guy wins a SB with this team. Again, a clown picking bingo balls would do better.

The two issues I had with their offensive coordinator search were this: first we knew from like the divisional round that there was a high high likelihood that Kellen Moore was leaving to go to the Saints. It feels like from the NFC championship game to the end of the Super Bowl that ZB was telling us Kellen Moore was taking that job. So they knew what was coming. Tend to agree with Zb and ej when they said Patullo was always going to be the guy

Secondly i thought they should’ve went outside the organization to get a OC. Having a 1st year OC is an issue for a SB contender cause there was always going to be a learning curve. Now expected he’d begin to show more and more progress as season went on but he hasn’t. The other reason why I said I wanted them to go outside of the organization is needed an outside voice to see if they could get their passing game to be more than let’s just be highly efficient. Can be much more efficient pass attack if you have a historic run game. It’s MUCH MUCH harder to do if you don’t have that type of ground game. Like I said at the end of last year, if you believe can just replicate a historic running game again with just another year of a highly efficient passing game that it was a mistake. That it isn’t a recipe that is likely to be replicated. So they needed someone that could help elevate the passing attack for the likely regression of the run game (granted didn’t see our run game becoming this bad but i do think some of that is cause the passing game hasn’t improved— in terms of efficiency it’s gotten worse)

Just now, Diehardfan said:

I think last year was the best I've seen since Reggie and while this one isn't as good they sure seem like my second choice based on the last few weeks.

Yeah that's kind of my take too on last year's defense. They're not better than 91, but they're probably better than the rest. This year's...not quite the same, but still pretty good.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

The two issues I had with their offensive coordinator search were this: first we knew from like the divisional round that there was a high high likelihood that Kellen Moore was leaving to go to the Saints. It feels like from the NFC championship game to the end of the Super Bowl that ZB was telling us Kellen Moore was taking that job. So they knew what was coming. Tend to agree with Zb and ej when they said Patullo was always going to be the guy

Secondly i thought they should’ve went outside the organization to get a OC. Having a 1st year OC is an issue for a SB contender cause there was always going to be a learning curve. Now expected he’d begin to show more and more progress as season went on but he hasn’t. The other reason why I said I wanted them to go outside of the organization is needed an outside voice to see if they could get their passing game to be more than let’s just be highly efficient. Can be much more efficient pass attack if you have a historic run game. It’s MUCH MUCH harder to do if you don’t have that type of ground game. Like I said at the end of last year, if you believe can just replicate a historic running game again with just another year of a highly efficient passing game that it was a mistake. That it isn’t a recipe that is likely to be replicated. So they needed someone that could help elevate the passing attack for the likely regression of the run game (granted didn’t see our run game becoming this bad but i do think some of that is cause the passing game hasn’t improved— in terms of efficiency it’s gotten worse)

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1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Yeah that's kind of my take too on last year's defense. They're not better than 91, but they're probably better than the rest. This year's...not quite the same, but still pretty good.

They really only have one weakness and he hasn't been trash lately but we'll see this week because they will target him

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

They really only have one weakness and he hasn't been trash lately but we'll see this week because they will target him

The difference between this year’s defense and last year’s defense is what their biggest strengths are. Last year their back seven was so good in coverage and it helped their pass rush. We forget because they were so good in the Super Bowl that their pass rush at the end of the year was middle of the pack to fringe top 12. Now they started getting better each round of the playoffs. Nolan Smith went to another level. But their back 7 was so good in coverage that it helped their front 4 get the pressure they needed.

This iteration of the defense has really taken off once they got Phillips in that trade. To me the back seven is still very good, but adoree isn’t as good as slay was last year (or Rodgers). I’d argue our safety play isn’t far off from last year but i still think they were better last year. But since the pass rush has gotten so much better since Phillips got here, they’re able to prevent teams from just targeting adoree more and more like early in the season. This year’s team has a far better pass rush as a unit than 2024. Just more dominant from the defensive front outward. However 2024 back 7 was better and they helped the pass rush/front four. I’d add baun has been great again this year but it felt like he was generating a big turnover every week.