9 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I believe you because you are an expert on going down.

big if true!

3 minutes ago, SkippyX said:

They score 45 and everyone says they are a great team and Super Bowl bound.

Then they lose all 3 tough games and score around 17 each time.

That is not to be expected from great teams.

8-8 is not great, and that is what you stated in your orignal post. I haven't heard anyone in the last several years call DAL great (definitely not me or Stephen A. 🤣). Honestly none of that matters, the fact that you think any team should score equally against bad teams or good, even great teams makes zero sense, neither logically or statistically.

Careful with these scoring statements. They are not indicative of team success, only statistical success.

59 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly, I thought it was a great play by Cooper and a little bad luck that Hurts tried to go down but ended up with his knee on top of the defender. I won't kill Hurts for it.

yeah, the love fumble was the one that was horrible.

somehow i have a feeling this post makes it to probably's posts about your mom, thread

1 hour ago, mattwill said:

Regarding Hurts’ fumble last night, there are fumbles, and there are bad fumbles. Do you think his fumble last night was a bad fumble?

Sometimes you just have to tip your hat to the defender for a great play and that’s what it was. Perfect punch out. We’ve seen the Eagles defense do it all the time.

Defender was also draped around Jalen’s lower body and that prevented his knee from being down.

13 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

I took your comment to be about AJ and Hurts. Sirianni sent them on the field to go for it on 4th down regardless of the playcall.

Did he or did he want them to try and draw them offsides? I didn't see that Nick wanted to go for it on 4th. Admittedly didn't check the PC because that whole thing pissed me off

If Nick wanted to do a 4th down play then the franchise QB should have told him that it's not smart. I know Nick can overrule him but still

38 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The real question is if it wasn't THE play or if they chose to run a play. Any time you run a play with a veteran QB, that QB has the discretion to make a change. They are accountable to their coach if it's a dumb and ineffective change...but it's still something that, in the moment, they can do.

If they have instructions to not run a play, try to draw the DL offsides, and take the delay of game....there is no mandate, no discretion.

If Siri wanted to run a slant to AJ and Hurts called an audible to what actually went down....eh, so what, that's still on Siri, not Hurts. If it was the aforementioned situation, I wouldn't blame Siri for starting Mckee next week.

48 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not surprised they went rogue as reading sirianni’s lips after the play it looked like he was confused

Going rogue here simply means another play was called and Hurts checked to the go at the line. Don't fall for the narrative that a dummy call to draw them offsides got sent in and Hurts called an actual play instead of that. If that were the case, Sirianni's tone and demeanor would've been much different.

37 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Both aren't rookies and should have known better

Is our head coach a rookie?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Going rogue here simply means another play was called and Hurts checked to the go at the line. Don't fall for the narrative that a dummy call to draw them offsides got sent in and Hurts called an actual play instead of that. If that were the case, Sirianni's tone and demeanor would've been much different.

Full quote

I don't buy this. The Eagles didn't try to draw the Packers offside. They didn't give a hard count or fake tap to the C. They lined up and ran a play. If you wanted to take a delay of game to give more room for the punter to work, you don't have to take a timeout to do that. The Eagles took a timeout, lined up to run a play, never tried to draw the Packers offside, and then snapped the ball. I fully buy that Hurts checked AJ Brown's route into something else. I don't buy for a second that Sirianni told them to take a delay of game, and they just didn't do it. If that were true, it's an even bigger indictment of the coaching staff than simply calling that play would be to begin with, because it would involve the entire offense agreeing to disregard what the coach told them to do. Not a single OL is late out of their stance. Not a single WR is late off the line. The whole team being on board with defying the coach with the game on the line is much less believable (and much worse if true) than the coach making a stupid decision.

29 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Little known?

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Going rogue here simply means another play was called and Hurts checked to the go at the line. Don't fall for the narrative that a dummy call to draw them offsides got sent in and Hurts called an actual play instead of that. If that were the case, Sirianni's tone and demeanor would've been much different.

I think sirianni wanted to run a play. I kind of look at reading his lips as he expected a different play to be run than that. I 100% think he wanted to go for it. Which frankly feel is a little ridiculous you’d go for it on 4th and 6 with game on the line and the analytics say punt. So there uber aggressive. but 3rd and 12 you are running draws pretty consistently with the talent you have

4 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Is our head coach a rookie?

Certainly acts like it

Campbell is in an interesting spot playing time wise with Nakobe back and playing very well. I don’t know how much you want to keep Nakobe off the field and Campbell has been meh at best as an Edge. I guess it’s a good problem to have but I’m curious to see how Vic plays it.

18 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Did he or did he want them to try and draw them offsides? I didn't see that Nick wanted to go for it on 4th. Admittedly didn't check the PC because that whole thing pissed me off

If Nick wanted to do a 4th down play then the franchise QB should have told him that it's not smart. I know Nick can overrule him but still

Alright I officially give up.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Alright I officially give up.

40 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

It still doesn't explain the decision to go for it.

Yeah, if you ridiculously actually run a play, a chuck to the end zone is probably about as good as any other. But that doesn’t change the fact that you should have punted, even if it only gained fifteen yards of field position. Yardage was THE critical factor in the moment.

20 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Did he or did he want them to try and draw them offsides? I didn't see that Nick wanted to go for it on 4th. Admittedly didn't check the PC because that whole thing pissed me off

If Nick wanted to do a 4th down play then the franchise QB should have told him that it's not smart. I know Nick can overrule him but still

What would the point be in drawing them offsides? 5 yards wouldn't have made them close enough to run the the tush push. It also wouldn't have taken more time off the clock. I think Hurts changed the play call at the line.

2 hours ago, just relax said:

True, but it was Carter who blew up the play.

100% - The multiple angles clearly show Blankenship with the strip/recovery and Phillips made the tackle but it was Carter who made the play.

35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Little known rule? I think I understood the nuances of that scenario when I was nine years old.

Just some hot takes:

• Nolan Smith looked more like 2024 December/January Nolan Smith than early 2025 Nolan Smith in his return. He seriously might be the fastest player on the entire defense as an edge.

• Hunt, in all honesty, looked pretty bad until the last 2 games. And now a light went on.

• I figured Phillips would be the latest Howie deadline miss. The Phillips/Smith/Hunt edge rotation suddenly looks like something to be excited about...whereas edge felt like an insurmountable concern 2 weeks ago.

• Still not seeing anything other than solid DT play from Carter. He's hemorrhaging money this year.

• Ojomo...he's not Milton Williams. But he's close enough that the notion of paying Milton that kind of money is crazy and frivolous.

• Amazing feat of Howie drafting to lose a mega-contract DT and still have Carter/Davis/Ojomo (although the massive draft capital at the position tends to do that).

• CB2 has started to fade into the background. I don't know if that's a combination of the guys getting their crap together, Vic figuring out how to compensate, the pass rush coming around, or the horrid QB play they've faced lately...or maybe some combination of all of the above. We'll see how that fares against better passers that actually think about where they throw and try to target weaknesses.

• Blankenship is not a star, not a special player, not someone the offense needs to account for....but he is as important as a player who is none of those things can possibly be. This secondary would really, really miss him.

• Campbell and Mukuba may become pro-bowlers, maybe HOF...who knows considering how spoiled we've become lately? But they really are not playing that well right now. Campbell has flashed, but he's showing that he's not really disruptive in his edge snaps and he's not as good as Dean. They are trying to get him on the field because of the investment at this point. And Mukuba...he's got a couple INTs which weren't exactly ball hawk jobs...and he's looked the part of a struggling rookie outside of that. We were spoiled by Mitchell/Dejean, but these two certainly are not them.

• Fred Johnson looks really good when he plays. Parsons backing him up into Hurts' phonebooth area for a throw most NFL QBs should have the arm to make anyway is not evidence that he even remotely struggled.

• Speaking of which, Hurts had a pretty awful game yesterday. As Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes have been showing us lately, there are no uniformly dominant passers in the NFL right now. That said, Hurts is particularly inconsistent with his approach, if not execution, as a passer. We go from great game, to awful game, to sort of efficient but hardly passing game, to a few more of those, and repeat.

• Speaking of which, the utilization of the passing game needs to even out and become more consistent. I generally defend the coaches and playcalling, but every week cannot be an unpredictable surprise if we are going to hardly ever throw, throw a moderate amount exclusively under the sticks, or be one of the 1-2x per year games where we go bombs away. That inconsistency is a strain on the QB, receivers, and OL. They don't need to go bombs away, but they need to consistently start throwing more and at greater depth...by early design...not just when the running game sputters or they are forced to.

• Speaking of which, the running game isn't just sputtering. IMO, it has reached a point of no return where there is no switch that is going to flip it back to 2024. Barkley is averaging 3.9 yards per carry. It's not chicken vs. egg. BOTH HE AND THE OL ARE DIMINISHED. The run game isn't coming back and these WRs need to compensate.

• Speaking of which, Devonta Smith is a legit #1 who might be a perennial league receiving yards leader in a more traditional passing offense. In 2025, he is the best Eagle on the roster to isolate and watch play. This year, he's the best player on the team.

• Zach Baun is playing at a very high level but not playmaking and destroying offenses like last year.

• Dallas Goedert was left for dead and has had a highly commendable resurgence.

• If Barkley is going to average under 4.0 ypc (which he is), then there is zero marginal benefit to using him at high volume. Tank and Shipley should be getting a LOT more carries than they are. At worst, you'll get the same stops at the LOS. At best you may get fresher legs and more efficiency all around.

• If Hurts did go rogue with that play (and after a terrible game), are the coaches going to double down on their ultra conservative approach with him amidst some fractured trust, or are they going to self scout and see how pathologically conservative they've been?

Just now, NCiggles said:

What would the point be in drawing them offsides? 5 yards wouldn't have made them close enough to run the the tush push. It also wouldn't have taken more time off the clock. I think Hurts changed the play call at the line.

Just throwing out possibilities. It was a stupid call either way on 4th

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think sirianni wanted to run a play. I kind of look at reading his lips as he expected a different play to be run than that. I 100% think he wanted to go for it. Which frankly is ridiculous you’d go for it on 4th and 6 with game on the line. Uber aggressive. but 3rd and 12 you are running draws .

Yes, without a doubt. A real play was absolutely sent in and that's what was called in the huddle, with a potential check or alert to send AJ on a go. But somehow half of the fan base will convince themselves that Sirianni never intended the ball to be snapped and Hurts took matters into his own hands and called a play with an actual snap count. It's honestly surreal seeing this play out in real-time.

2 minutes ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

Yeah, if you ridiculously actually run a play, a chuck to the end zone is probably about as good as any other. But that doesn’t change the fact that you should have punted, even if it only gained fifteen yards of field position. Yardage was THE critical factor in the moment.

First i said at the time punt it. Even if it’s a touchback that extra 15 yards in today’s nfl with kickers is a lot. Having to go 33-37 yards to get into range with 20ish seconds and no timeouts is much harder than having to go 22-25 yards to get into range. (Thankfully McManus is hurt and they didn’t have the kicker havrisik kicking).

Second if we are going to go for it, i much prefer a slant with AJ. Imo that’s his best route and it’s extremely hard to cover. A bomb probably takes up a couple more seconds but when it’s cold in GB and we really weren’t as great as we normally are with throws 10+ yards down the field (i believe at one point we were 1-7), it feels like the slant is a higher percentage chance to be complete. That said I’d have to re-watch but i believe aj had 0 passes thrown to him on a slant last night.

3 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Yes, without a doubt. A real play was absolutely sent in and that's what was called in the huddle, with a potential check or alert to send AJ on a go. But somehow half of the fan base will convince themselves that Sirianni never intended the ball to be snapped and Hurts took matters into his own hands and called a play with an actual snap count. It's honestly surreal seeing this play out in real-time.

I assume this is the case. But it's not without a doubt, not a certainty, and not surreal for some to contemplate otherwise.