11 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

That’s the secondary problem to trading him away. Is that you have to replace him. We have done a poor job drafting and developing wr since 2016. Howie has done a lot of great things via trade and drafting, but besides smith it’s not been very good. And Moorehead hasn’t done much to develop guys outside of brown and smith.

Add on goedert may leave and Aj if traded. That means you essentially have to replace both of those into that offense. That’s a lot to replace add onto the fact Blankenship is an unrestricted free agent going into this off-season. Dean has a replacement in Campbell but Vic really loves Dean and Baun together. Lane Johnson we don’t know if he’s gonna retire or if he is gonna come back. That’s a lot to replace in one off-season and expect them to just hit the ground running and be where they are now as the Super Bowl contender.

Howie will trade him if an offer obviously makes the team better. If not, he won't. This applies to anyone on the team. The team wins with him(happy or unhappy). So for as much frustration as he has, it hasn't affected their ability to win games. They've won as much as anyone in the NFL since he's been here. Unless this becomes a Trent Williams situation where he says "I'm not stepping foot back into the Novacare ever again so you better trade me" which I don't see happening, because this is an issue with the offense, not Lurie/Howie/Sirianni/etc then Howie will do whatever makes the Eagles have the best roster. If it's keeping them, then it's keeping him. But for those who think he's just going to trade the guy for like a 2nd round pick just to get him off the team is absolutely laughable. Not to mention take cap hits and dead money on top of it(even if it may be manageable, it's still not ideal for constructing a roster). Howie will do what allows him to construct the best roster. And that would apply to anyone on the roster. If a team offers three 1sts for Saquon in the offseason, then Saquon's outta here too. Not that any team would offer that.

2 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The issue with the 4 and 6 play is you're trying to drop it in AJ's lap right down the sideline throwing into the wind, why would you try a throw that required that much precision in those conditions at that point in the game? Surely you go empty and have AJ and Smitty run clear outs and have Goedert, Saquon and Dotson run shallow crosses and drags in the space underneath where you've got a margin of error, hell have Dotson run the go route and take AJ across the field and see what he can do with it, we only had to get 6 yards and the games done.

Watching the all 22 of that play, I’m guessing the reason that sirianni might have said "why why” is the play was supposed to go to goedert and all the factors you mentioned. Goedert is at the sticks and a good throw he probably gets it. And yet they decided to throw the ball deep. At one point in time in that game they were 1-7 on passes over 10 yards. So like you said with all the factors involved that probably was supposed to be AJ just taking two defenders with him in the corner and safety. Imo If we are going to Aj in that situation run his best route (slant) especially on a night where we weren’t exactly successful throwing it down the field outside of a play to smith. 

3 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

The issue with the 4 and 6 play is you're trying to drop it in AJ's lap right down the sideline throwing into the wind, why would you try a throw that required that much precision in those conditions at that point in the game? Surely you go empty and have AJ and Smitty run clear outs and have Goedert, Saquon and Dotson run shallow crosses and drags in the space underneath where you've got a margin of error, hell have Dotson run the go route and take AJ across the field and see what he can do with it, we only had to get 6 yards and the games done.

I said I suspect that the target was Goedert. But even if it was AJ, so what? To the team and AJ that showed faith in him. (Huge if true). To the OL and Hurts, it showed faith in them. To the defense, it showed faith in them if the Birds were stopped and turned the ball over on downs as it happened. I like it either way. Ultimately, Birds prevailed.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I’d absolutely sacrifice Patullo to make AJ happy. We're going to lose a superstar WR1 because Patullo thinks he’s coordinating the Gronk/Hernandez Patriots.

Well, you have Smith with 62 targets, Brown with 54, Goedert with 45, and Barkley with 31 which makes up the bulk of the Eagles passing game.

Smith -- 48 catches, 657 yards, 13.7 ypc, 3 TD, 77.4% catch percentage

Goedert -- 34 catches, 332 yards, 9.8 ypc, 7 TD, 75.6% catch percentage

Barkley -- 27 catches, 200 yards, 7.4 ypc, 2 TD, 87.1% catch percentage

Brown -- 31 catches, 408 yards, 13.2 ypc, 3 TD, 57.4% catch percentage

Brown has objectively been the least productive of those 4 main targets. Either it's because he's not getting adequate separation, his routes aren't as precise, or he's just not producing at the catch point. I'm not as down on Brown as a lot of others; people ignored the fact he did a very nice job of blocking on Barkley's long reception. It's pretty obvious to me there is a disconnect between Brown and Hurts; I don't think it's a question of the OC not scheming him open or involving him.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Howie will trade him if an offer obviously makes the team better. If not, he won't. This applies to anyone on the team. The team wins with him(happy or unhappy). So for as much frustration as he has, it hasn't affected their ability to win games. They've won as much as anyone in the NFL since he's been here. Unless this becomes a Trent Williams situation where he says "I'm not stepping foot back into the Novacare ever again so you better trade me" which I don't see happening, because this is an issue with the offense, not Lurie/Howie/Sirianni/etc then Howie will do whatever makes the Eagles have the best roster. If it's keeping them, then it's keeping him. But for those who think he's just going to trade the guy for like a 2nd round pick just to get him off the team is absolutely laughable. Not to mention take cap hits and dead money on top of it(even if it may be manageable, it's still not ideal for constructing a roster). Howie will do what allows him to construct the best roster. And that would apply to anyone on the roster. If a team offers three 1sts for Saquon in the offseason, then Saquon's outta here too. Not that any team would offer that.

I’ve said this before no one on this team is untouchable or untradable. There’s a price that the Eagles would be willing to send somebody away if a team matches it. Now there’s some prices that I think are just astronomical that no team would realistically ever match.

That said, I could see them trading away AJ Brown if they get a price that warranted it. Considering the fact the line of demarcation is at the end of 2026 when he’s going to need an extension as he has very little guaranteed money left. So I don’t see them giving him an extension at 30 years old. So at some point in time, he is getting traded away. The eagle might just think it’s better to move on from him a year early and get better draft assets then let him go out there for another year. However they aren’t going to deal him unless they get the return they want

Food for thought. The Eagles have a chance to beat the division leader in the NFCN three times in November. GB was the leader going into last week, Lions this week and if the Birds and the Bears win, a possibility the Bears will lead that division when we play them.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, you have Smith with 62 targets, Brown with 54, Goedert with 45, and Barkley with 31 which makes up the bulk of the Eagles passing game.

Smith -- 48 catches, 657 yards, 13.7 ypc, 3 TD, 77.4% catch percentage

Goedert -- 34 catches, 332 yards, 9.8 ypc, 7 TD, 75.6% catch percentage

Barkley -- 27 catches, 200 yards, 7.4 ypc, 2 TD, 87.1% catch percentage

Brown -- 31 catches, 408 yards, 13.2 ypc, 3 TD, 57.4% catch percentage

Brown has objectively been the least productive of those 4 main targets. Either it's because he's not getting adequate separation, his routes aren't as precise, or he's just not producing at the catch point. I'm not as down on Brown as a lot of others; people ignored the fact he did a very nice job of blocking on Barkley's long reception. It's pretty obvious to me there is a disconnect between Brown and Hurts; I don't think it's a question of the OC not scheming him open or involving him.

On his block with Barkley is the reason why I don’t think the last play of the game he half assed it. So he went running down field to block for Barkley to get an extra 15 yards then in the biggest moment of the game said no, I’m just not gonna try as hard. I think what happened was that the play was supposed to go to Dallas goedert (theory with sirianni saying why why after the play on the sideline as it appeared goedert was open). He wasn’t expecting that ball and then it came unexpectedly.

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, you have Smith with 62 targets, Brown with 54, Goedert with 45, and Barkley with 31 which makes up the bulk of the Eagles passing game.

Smith -- 48 catches, 657 yards, 13.7 ypc, 3 TD, 77.4% catch percentage

Goedert -- 34 catches, 332 yards, 9.8 ypc, 7 TD, 75.6% catch percentage

Barkley -- 27 catches, 200 yards, 7.4 ypc, 2 TD, 87.1% catch percentage

Brown -- 31 catches, 408 yards, 13.2 ypc, 3 TD, 57.4% catch percentage

Brown has objectively been the least productive of those 4 main targets. Either it's because he's not getting adequate separation, his routes aren't as precise, or he's just not producing at the catch point. I'm not as down on Brown as a lot of others; people ignored the fact he did a very nice job of blocking on Barkley's long reception. It's pretty obvious to me there is a disconnect between Brown and Hurts; I don't think it's a question of the OC not scheming him open or involving him.

The disconnect with Hurts is a big part of it, I’ll give you that. Don’t know how that happened

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve said this before no one on this team is untouchable or untradable. There’s a price that the Eagles would be willing to send somebody away if a team matches it. Now there’s some prices that I think are just astronomical that no team would realistically ever match.

That said, I could see them trading away AJ Brown if they get a price that warranted it. Considering the fact the line of demarcation is at the end of 2026 when he’s going to need an extension as he has very little guaranteed money left. So I don’t see them giving him an extension at 30 years old. So at some point in time, he is getting traded away. The eagle might just think it’s better to move on from him a year early and get better draft assets then let him go out there for another year. However they aren’t going to deal him unless they get the return they want

It depends on what the offer is. It will have to start at two 1sts for him to even consider it. And also there is the fact that if the Eagles win a SB this season, they could be in line to be the first team ever to 3peat and Howie isn't going to scoff at a chance to make that happen and cement his name and the organization in the history books. So how this season ends will be a factor somewhat. But given what it would take to make it happen: a team offering a premium, the Eagles having a plan lined up to replace him, etc... it's unlikely. Far more likely after 2026. Usually in deals where a player is expensive and post 27 years old, the team that trades away the player doesn't get as much for the player as they'd hope. And Howie is not going to be motivated to trade him, it'll be an "I'll trade anyone if you knock me over" type of deal.

7 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, you have Smith with 62 targets, Brown with 54, Goedert with 45, and Barkley with 31 which makes up the bulk of the Eagles passing game.

Smith -- 48 catches, 657 yards, 13.7 ypc, 3 TD, 77.4% catch percentage

Goedert -- 34 catches, 332 yards, 9.8 ypc, 7 TD, 75.6% catch percentage

Barkley -- 27 catches, 200 yards, 7.4 ypc, 2 TD, 87.1% catch percentage

Brown -- 31 catches, 408 yards, 13.2 ypc, 3 TD, 57.4% catch percentage

Brown has objectively been the least productive of those 4 main targets. Either it's because he's not getting adequate separation, his routes aren't as precise, or he's just not producing at the catch point. I'm not as down on Brown as a lot of others; people ignored the fact he did a very nice job of blocking on Barkley's long reception. It's pretty obvious to me there is a disconnect between Brown and Hurts; I don't think it's a question of the OC not scheming him open or involving him.

Meanwhile, Jahan Dotson is averaging 19 YPC on 8 catches. Maybe the Eagles need to do a better job incorporating players besides these 4?

3 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Food for thought. The Eagles have a chance to beat the division leader in the NFCN three times in November. GB was the leader going into last week, Lions this week and if the Birds and the Bears win, a possibility the Bears will lead that division when we play them.

I would say congrats to the Bears for being 6-3. But their schedule provided them a realistic shot. Beaten all teams under .500. And the one time they faced a team that was above .500, the lions beat them by 31 points. Imo team feels like the biggest frauds in the entire league right now. Feels like the 2022 giants

13 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

Well, you have Smith with 62 targets, Brown with 54, Goedert with 45, and Barkley with 31 which makes up the bulk of the Eagles passing game.

Smith -- 48 catches, 657 yards, 13.7 ypc, 3 TD, 77.4% catch percentage

Goedert -- 34 catches, 332 yards, 9.8 ypc, 7 TD, 75.6% catch percentage

Barkley -- 27 catches, 200 yards, 7.4 ypc, 2 TD, 87.1% catch percentage

Brown -- 31 catches, 408 yards, 13.2 ypc, 3 TD, 57.4% catch percentage

Brown has objectively been the least productive of those 4 main targets. Either it's because he's not getting adequate separation, his routes aren't as precise, or he's just not producing at the catch point. I'm not as down on Brown as a lot of others; people ignored the fact he did a very nice job of blocking on Barkley's long reception. It's pretty obvious to me there is a disconnect between Brown and Hurts; I don't think it's a question of the OC not scheming him open or involving him.

When was the last slant you saw him run?

12 minutes ago, BigEFly said:

Food for thought. The Eagles have a chance to beat the division leader in the NFCN three times in November. GB was the leader going into last week, Lions this week and if the Birds and the Bears win, a possibility the Bears will lead that division when we play them.

And...

If we beat DET, we beat DAL, and DAL loses to KC on Thanksgiving, then we can clinch the division on Black Friday.

38 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

AJ Wide open here. Hurts doesn't even look his way. There are several of these per game.

I'd say getting bulled into is an exaggeration.

34 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I get AJ being conflicted. He’s a top 5 WR having the impact of a top 50 WR and he’s expected to run 30+ routes a game full speed with a nagging hamstring injury, and knowing damn well he’s not getting the ball. He’s already midway through his prime - the time is now.

I’m sure he appreciates winning, but he got to where he got to by working to be the best. Expecting him to be okay with catching 2-3 balls a game is unreasonable.

I’d absolutely sacrifice Patullo to make AJ happy. We're going to lose a superstar WR1 because Patullo thinks he’s coordinating the Gronk/Hernandez Patriots.

How that going to fix AJs QB problem?

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And...

If we beat DET, we beat DAL, and DAL loses to KC on Thanksgiving, then we can clinch the division on Black Friday.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

How that going to fix AJs QB problem?

It won't.

6 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

When was the last slant you saw him run?

Why a slant? We've seen him open on a crosser and on a deep out against GB. The ball never went his way.

The OC could dial up every pass play with AJ as the primary, but if Hurts doesn't make the right read or gets gun shy or the protection fails, AJ won't see the ball.

I am frustrated by stuff Patullo does (not running outside, getting the play in), but he is not the only problem with the offense.

Any time the offensive ineptitude is discussed, it turns into a Hurts vs. Patullo blame game. We just aren't going to settle the debate if Hurts is a bad passer capable of 1-2 big passing games per year when the planets align or if he would be great if the coaching just didn't suck so much.

The real issue is that the offense is very bad right now and the running game is not and (at this point we know it) WILL not be good enough to save the day. They are 7-2, but something needs to change. They need to revert back into a more traditional offense. Got to throw more. Got to throw to more parts of the field.

If Hurts gets exposed and starts throwing INTs all over the place, then so be it. They can't be a 3 yard per carry 3 and out machine that doesn't throw the football except when desperate. Need to start using the pass to set up the run.

No Nick, the process is getting plenty criticism because it was a stupid process.

42 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

How about Howie gets a real OC and he stays and is happy along with the rest of us

Yes, let's do that.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Why a slant? We've seen him open on a crosser and on a deep out against GB. The ball never went his way.

The OC could dial up every pass play with AJ as the primary, but if Hurts doesn't make the right read or gets gun shy or the protection fails, AJ won't see the ball.

I am frustrated by stuff Patullo does (not running outside, getting the play in), but he is not the only problem with the offense.

Agree. Hurts needs to make the right read and not be shy 1000% correct, but I was just asking about slants. He's good at them and when was the last time we saw one dialed up for him on a quick throw?

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I would say congrats to the Bears for being 6-3. But their schedule provided them a realistic shot. Beaten all teams under .500. And the one time they faced a team that was above .500, the lions beat them by 31 points. Imo team feels like the biggest frauds in the entire league right now. Feels like the 2022 giants

Vikings (next Bears opponent is under .500. Then before the Birds, they have the Steelers. (Steelers lose to Bengals this week and they would be at .500), so Bears as division leaders if the Lions lose this week is a possibility, just sayin’.

Not a distraction though