23 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

PS Something else that just hit me about what Nick said....who gives a crap if they don't turn the ball over if they turn the ball over on downs by punting quickly. It's the same damn thing, Nick. 

Punting is the same a committing a turnover?

27 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

We opened as 1.5 point favorites. The line is now 2.5.

18 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Guessing it has to do with the Lions injuries. Haven't seen the report for today yet but yesterday they had a ton of guys who were DNP.

As you said, a lot of injuries on the report. Doubtful all will play.

On the road and outside the dome? Windy forecast but mild weather.

Crazy Eagles fans dropping bets?

Or just maybe bettors think we can get pressure with four?

40 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

What the Eagles really need is to improve the running

This is the main problem this year. That combined with the fact that they haven't come up with an answer that fits Hurts and can deal with a poor rushing game.

44 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

This is not rocket science..the opposing defenses are running zone D almost exclusively...to beat a zone defense the offense either counters by overloading the zone with more receivers than defenders, and/or they strategically moving to gaps (horizontal and vertical), Screens can work really well against zone, especially if the opposing team also blitzes. There is a reason why Goedert is so effective...because his zone routes have opportunities in seams and in front of or behind the linebackers.

That is also why Jason Avant has been the very best Eagles receiver over the past 25 year against zone defenses...it is not complicated...find the gaps and square. Running past the line of defenders and coming back to the ball in a gap is a QB's best friend.

Running a WR in a slant against a zone is literally sending him directly into the defensive strength as there will be a guy waiting for him. Talk about hospital balls....what has me frustrated are the plays where the offense send out 4 receivers all on vertical routes and literally run to a defender and turn around...they are not open and Hurts gets stuck unable to deliver the football...also he also seems to only throw to receivers after they enter their gap...he either delivers late or the defense has time to recover and cover up. The routes and play calling against zone D really needs an overhaul.

The best way to beat a man-man D is with rubs, picks, crossers, slants and having WR's who can consistently with their 1-1 matchups. Both Brown and Smith destroy man -man so the defense rarely show them that look. It is not the QB or WRs it is the play calling and route design. Brown has not been running crossers and slants because the defense is dictating the offensive scheme. What the Eagles really need is to improve the running and then spread the defense out horizontally to gain the leverage and that will force teams to run man-man. Again...not complicated...I just don't understand the stubbornness or competency of the playcallers.

aptosbird.....are you available to work for the Iggles on the Offensive side of the ball? A part time (50 hours a week minimum) job might be available. 🏈

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I love how this is the solution of the owners instead of, you know, listening and improving things for your players?

40 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

This is insane. If we play like this the rest of the year I won't be angry if we fire Sirianni because he's just as at fault as Patullo.

41 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

lettuce not forget, they used to want to air it out until it became a turnover fest because of the QB. Theyve adapted to this style of offense because of their QB.

25 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

That stat is directly because they don't throw it often 3rd and long.

I'm a proponent of throwing it 3rd and long and being less risk averse. But I think it's probably likely he wouldn't have the best passer rating if they were.

Will just live this here.

51 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

This is not rocket science..the opposing defenses are running zone D almost exclusively...to beat a zone defense the offense either counters by overloading the zone with more receivers than defenders, and/or they strategically moving to gaps (horizontal and vertical), Screens can work really well against zone, especially if the opposing team also blitzes. There is a reason why Goedert is so effective...because his zone routes have opportunities in seams and in front of or behind the linebackers.

That is also why Jason Avant has been the very best Eagles receiver over the past 25 year against zone defenses...it is not complicated...find the gaps and square. Running past the line of defenders and coming back to the ball in a gap is a QB's best friend.

Running a WR in a slant against a zone is literally sending him directly into the defensive strength as there will be a guy waiting for him. Talk about hospital balls....what has me frustrated are the plays where the offense send out 4 receivers all on vertical routes and literally run to a defender and turn around...they are not open and Hurts gets stuck unable to deliver the football...also he also seems to only throw to receivers after they enter their gap...he either delivers late or the defense has time to recover and cover up. The routes and play calling against zone D really needs an overhaul.

The best way to beat a man-man D is with rubs, picks, crossers, slants and having WR's who can consistently with their 1-1 matchups. Both Brown and Smith destroy man -man so the defense rarely show them that look. It is not the QB or WRs it is the play calling and route design. Brown has not been running crossers and slants because the defense is dictating the offensive scheme. What the Eagles really need is to improve the running and then spread the defense out horizontally to gain the leverage and that will force teams to run man-man. Again...not complicated...I just don't understand the stubbornness or competency of the playcallers.

With all that said, do we really believe Siri, and Patullo got to where they are today without knowing such basic principles? Hopefully everyone realizes the answer to this.

3 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Will just live this here.

Like I said, I want them to take shots like this more regularly. But you also can't expect an explosive play on every third and long.

4 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

With all that said, do we really believe Siri, and Patullo got to where they are today without knowing such basic principles? Hopefully everyone realizes the answer to this.

2 hours ago, paco said:

They are almost 3 decades old……

You are correct! But GB's last SB win was in 2011 so I had to pick a good round number that would not support his statement at all. If I had said "30 years" they have two in that span, '97 & '11, I wasn't giving him that satisfaction (it equals PHI). If I can't have it, he damn sure can't have it. Yeh, I can be that guy sometimes.

24 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

And scrambles.

True

7 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hopefully it wasn't just 1 game

On 11/12/2025 at 11:38 AM, NOTW said:

And I get to see the Eagles play the Titans here! The last time I saw them here Kevin Kolb was the QB and threw a bunch of picks.

Last time I saw them play the Titans McNabb tore his ACL. Always a good time against that team.

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

With all that said, do we really believe Siri, and Patullo got to where they are today without knowing such basic principles? Hopefully everyone realizes the answer to this.

As much as you would like to take the opportunity again to be a troll....all evidence suggests that the "brain trust" does not seem to understand and implement these "basic" principles. Why are they running 4 receivers on vertical routes into defenders? Why do they continue to run tight formations against a stacked box? Where the overload screens to Barkley? Why aren't there more designed runs for Hurts? It is stupid play calling beginning with completely inappropriate formations to counter the zone. It is all mind boggling to me...it brings into question basic competency.

Of all the Eagle QB's of the last 25 years, it is actually McNabb who struggled the most against zone D...without Avant he would have been really lost. McNabb could zip it into receivers sitting in gaps, but had no touch on the ball to hit the receivers in the intermediate gaps behind the linebackers. He had to rely on the TE's running seam routes. The same deficiency also sunk Kaepernick...he was great against M-M but could not feather a ball in with touch against zone defenses. Hurts can make every throw and I would like to see him to take some calculated risks with receivers who are finding gaps...but the offensive scheme is absolutely no helping him....but go ahead with your same tired narrative...

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Hopefully it wasn't just 1 game

Very big test this week against Sewell.

23 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

oooo! I have a good hot take here: the league is right in this instance

19 minutes ago, RLC said:

This is insane. If we play like this the rest of the year I won't be angry if we fire Sirianni because he's just as at fault as Patullo.

He’s not smart enough to run a creative scheme. Patullo is even worse. We’ve seen this type of offense 3x now in Siri’s tenure. He’s a clown. Just a "ceo,” as some put it. I will stand by this statement. When he is removed from this team, he won’t win anywhere else. Similar to Doug P. Good coaches surrounded by elite talent.

1 minute ago, aptosbird said:

As much as you would like to take the opportunity again to be a troll....all evidence suggests that the "brain trust" does not seem to understand and implement these "basic" principles. Why are they running 4 receivers on vertical routes into defenders? Why do they continue to run tight formations against a stacked box? Where the overload screens to Barkley? Why aren't there more designed runs for Hurts? It is stupid play calling beginning with completely inappropriate formations to counter the zone. It is all mind boggling to me...it brings into question basic competency.

Of all the Eagle QB's of the last 25 years, it is actually McNabb who struggled the most against zone D...without Avant he would have been really lost. McNabb could zip it into receivers sitting in gaps, but had no touch on the ball to hit the receivers in the intermediate gaps behind the linebackers. He had to rely on the TE's running seam routes. The same deficiency also sunk Kaepernick...he was great against M-M but could not feather a ball in with touch against zone defenses. Hurts can make every throw and I would like to see him to take some calculated risks with receivers who are finding gaps...but the offensive scheme is absolutely no helping him....but go ahead with your same tired narrative...

Your fragile psyche does not make my question trolling. Need I remind you, these two are a HC, and an OC in the NFL. Theyve worked their way there. Do you really think that happens without understanding that basic stuff?

13 minutes ago, Joe Ball said:

You are correct! But GB's last SB win was in 2011 so I had to pick a good round number that would not support his statement at all. If I had said "30 years" they have two in that span, '97 & '11, I wasn't giving him that satisfaction (it equals PHI). If I can't have it, he damn sure can't have it. Yeh, I can be that guy sometimes.

Fine, let’s me try this then:

The New York Giants, whose record is even worse than the jets over the past 5 years, have even won a Super Bowl more recently than the packers

18 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Like I said, I want them to take shots like this more regularly. But you also can't expect an explosive play on every third and long.

So slow day at work so I decided to go through all the plays this season where they passed on 3rd and long. Now what is 3rd and long? I did 3rd and 6 beyond. If you want to go longer let me know and I will adjust while I still have this spreadsheet. But based on passing on 3rd and 6+ this season, Jalen Hurts is:

29/41, 70.7% for 501 yards, 12.2 YPA and 17.3 YPC. 1TD and 0 interceptions.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

Your fragile psyche does not make my question trolling. Need I remind you, these two are a HC, and an OC in the NFL. Theyve worked their way there. Do you really think that happens without understanding that basic stuff?

lol...fragile...not even close. I am actually laughing at the banality. Why aren't they doing it then? I am looking at this objectively with all available observable evidence...I do not post to validate my warped agenda...

8 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

oooo! I have a good hot take here: the league is right in this instance

Haven't improvements been made after those grades have been released though?