3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To be fair, one of the tush push penalties was just a flat out miss by the refs.

Apparently you can’t just touch a guy lined up in neutral zone. He has to have moved into the neutral zone to cause your reaction

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

The DGunn thing is dumb but it’s horrendous JAKIB media. Hurts has always had that personality of an old soul and not one of the young guys. But he is operating the offense that is called. Sure he and AJ did their thing last week on 4th down but they’d done that before several times. The play design is not good. He isn’t re-designing the plays

I’m not a local, but I thought Gunn was well respected and well connected, no?

As for the reports, nothing is really new. Hurts has previously been called standoffish and hard to get close to. We know about going rogue against Seattle. Last week against GB was different. That was just a check, but if you’re frustrated with him or the offense, it’s easy to call it "rogue.” The part we don’t know is if he’s turning down throws that the coaches are telling him to make. It’s hard to say because Sirianni doesn’t call out players publicly and he’s been talking about limiting TOs and being safe with the ball. Give up runs on third down would back that up.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Apparently you can’t just touch a guy lined up in neutral zone. He has to have moved into the neutral zone to cause your reaction

It's weird that the Video Assist can re ref some plays in real time but not pre snap infractions, the Detroit D Tackle was clearly in the neutral zone.

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Apparently you can’t just touch a guy lined up in neutral zone. He has to have moved into the neutral zone to cause your reaction

That makes sense, but I saw so many OL guys on Twitter saying otherwise.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

That makes sense, but I saw so many OL guys on Twitter saying otherwise.

Sirriani said the ref told him that and it sounded like he didn’t know because he said the Eagles coaches hadn’t communicated that to Steen

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sirriani said the ref told him that and it sounded like he didn’t know because he said the Eagles coaches hadn’t communicated that to Steen

But didn't the rules guy on the commentary team say if the O Lineman sees the neutral zone infraction they're allowed to move to point it out?

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not a local, but I thought Gunn was well respected and well connected, no?

As for the reports, nothing is really new. Hurts has previously been called standoffish and hard to get close to. We know about going rogue against Seattle. Last week against GB was different. That was just a check, but if you’re frustrated with him or the offense, it’s easy to call it "rogue.” The part we don’t know is if he’s turning down throws that the coaches are telling him to make. It’s hard to say because Sirianni doesn’t call out players publicly and he’s been talking about limiting TOs and being safe with the ball. Give up runs on third down would back that up.

I certainly don’t think Hurts is taking some throws he should but he’s not checking into different plays constantly. Patullo just doesn’t know how to call plays well. He’s bad at it

7 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sirriani said the ref told him that and it sounded like he didn’t know because he said the Eagles coaches hadn’t communicated that to Steen

Yikes.

I saw some people on Twitter point out that Lions supposedly defended the tag push a tad differently, having Anzalone crash hard at Hurts to wrap up so he couldn’t keep his legs moving. Maybe that makes us line up a bit differently with the "pushers” to chip and release so to speak.

I cannot believe the immediate impact that Phillips has had here. He’s taken this unit from pretty good to elite over the past two weeks. He was abusing Sewell last night and that’s not an easy task.

28 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

To be fair, one of the tush push penalties was just a flat out miss by the refs.

True but there was no need for it, IMO. Theyre going to call neutral zone infraction or not, I don't like trying to game the system that way. It's not the role of the offensive lineman to try and sway the refs. Let the coaches handle that

I know everyone is concerned about looking past a team and risking a win to rest players, but this isn’t that. We’ve crossed a line where a healthy Toth and Fred Johnson are better for the offense than what they are getting from Jurgens and Lane.

And I’m starting to wonder if the same can be said for Dickerson sitting for Pryor.

A healthy OL that stays in the game and doesn’t hobble around the field is going to give them a better game than our starters at this point. It’s not about "benching” someone. It’s clear they aren’t healthy enough to play.

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I saw some people on Twitter point out that Lions supposedly defended the tag push a tad differently, having Anzalone crash hard at Hurts to wrap up so he couldn’t keep his legs moving. Maybe that makes us line up a bit differently with the "pushers” to chip and release so to speak.

I think our OL couldn’t push a sled last night. I’m putting it more on them than anything Detroit did.

6 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Is Jihaad Campbell doing much? I haven’t noticed him a lot. Not always a bad thing but still

He came back down to earth a bit. Still looked good out there. Got washed out of a big play by Gibbs. Only time i noticed him in a bad way.

But Dean somehow became an athlete after this injury. Campbell can sit and continue to learn for a bit.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I know everyone is concerned about looking past a team and risking a win to rest players, but this isn’t that. We’ve crossed a line where a healthy Toth and Fred Johnson are better for the offense than what they are getting from Jurgens and Lane.

And I’m starting to wonder if the same can be said for Dickerson sitting for Pryor.

A healthy OL that stays in the game and doesn’t hobble around the field is going to give them a better game than our starters at this point. It’s not about "benching” someone. It’s clear they aren’t healthy enough to play.

I'm just hoping Lane is only out a week. Facing Q. Williams next week with this interior OL could be an issue

Everyone pissed off we’re 8-2?

7 hours ago, Bwestbrook36 said:

They are ranked 12th in Total points allowed not that terrible

JJ McCarthy wet up and down the field on them in Detroit 2 weeks ago. The commanders with Mariota dropped 22 points on them. Mariota threw for 200+ on them..

Meanwhile we couldn’t even convert our best play, the sneak

8 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

Everyone pissed off we’re 8-2?

Furious.

11 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

He came back down to earth a bit. Still looked good out there. Got washed out of a big play by Gibbs. Only time i noticed him in a bad way.

But Dean somehow became an athlete after this injury. Campbell can sit and continue to learn for a bit.

Id say re-sign Dean, and make Campbell bulk a bit to become a full time Edge. The time may come soon to trade Nolan Smith, after re-signing Phillips.

Do I believe Patullo sucks and is in over his head....yes! But there is definitely a "Cause and Effect" situation going on....

1. They are playing the elite of the NFL in teams and defenses.....I mean jesus, KC, Green Bay, Detroit, Minnesota, Denver, Tampa, etc.....except for the Giants and Dallas (which was game 1 and they were fired up).....it seems every week we are playing a team with a great defense and a lot of them have been on the road.

2. Our Offensive Line is NOT right. The injuries have absolutely had an effect. From Dickerson, to Jurgens to Lane and even a lesser extent Mailata....lack of cohesion and players playing when they aren't close to 100% has moved this unit from Exceptional to Above Average.

3. Conditions - I know BOTH teams have to play in them, but not only did we play strong defenses the last two weeks, but the games took place in brutal conditions, especially wind-wise, which might also help explain how the Eagles Defense now looks like the '86 Bears or '00 Ravens.

4. And AJ can cry all he wants....the eye test shows me, he is getting ZERO separation, no explosion. Something is wrong with him (and I'm not talking about mentally).

5. Which brings me to Barkley, I was under the impression that yes...last year might have some effect on him. And yes the Offensive Line issues might also effect him and the ground game. But when you see Tank EXPLODE through the line and tacklers......this is what Barkley did last year and HE IS NOT able to do that this year. Maybe last year isn't have "some effect" but "total effect".

So.....when you put Putzullo on top of all these issues.....I guess I am just happy that we are 8-2 and not 5-5 (like KC).

5 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Id say re-sign Dean, and make Campbell bulk a bit to become a full time Edge. The time may come soon to trade Nolan Smith, after re-signing Phillips.

Campbell as we’ve seen has top 5 LB in the league potential…tying big money to Dean when you have a cost controlled option for a few years is probably not the best move considering who else is coming up to ink paper. Campbell needs a lot more weight to even think about full time edge. We complained for 20 years about square pegs in round holes. Campbell is an off ball LB.

Dominating defensive performance last night - one to remember.

Offense never got going - possibly Hurts worst game over the past 2 seasons in terms of "accuracy”. - he was off almost all night and the receivers were almost as bad - between dropped passes, lazy routes, alligator arms, etc Running game below average - should have stuck with it more, imo.

All that said - this offensive line has issues - especially the interior line but the outside isn’t much better. Jurgens just needs stay out until he’s healthy - having him in and not being able to run certain plays because he can’t block them does not work in the NFL. Time to see what Lampkin can do, imo.

Even with all the offensive strife - Eagles fans have something to be excited about because we beat some of the best teams in the NFL without playing our best game yet and we are 8-2. That’s actually really impressive and what’s even better is that our defense is the best defense in the NFL - bar none.

GO BIRDS! 🦅

The Eagles D is godly, that O is a mess. It has no variety in it and no surprise elements. Regardless of if Hurts is freelancing or not, its just bland. The Lions do their best to have variety within the same look, this O is just run verticals or outs to pass. Its crying out for intellect in it. Hurts just chucks bombs and it comes off enough of the time.

Now, the Lions D were up for it, but their job is made easier because its so predictable. No point in having all that talent if the kitchen keeps making ham and cheese sandwiches

Did I say how good the D was?

On the PI call that has X's collective knickers in a knot