4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'm very happy the Eagles are 8-2. I think they can beat anyone and quite frankly I feel good about Jalen stepping up in the playoffs as well.

That said Patullo just is a really bad play caller. Some guys aren't good at it. He could get better. Steichen was considered a bad play caller in San Diego when he was there before Eagles. But the problem is today Patullo stinks

Issue is can’t really go to sirianni as play caller. He wasn’t very good his 1st year when doing it. Tbh i don’t think we’d see that much of an improvement with him. the only other one on the staff that’s called plays before is Scott loeffler the QB coach. Believe either Seyed or ZB on the Philly special mentioned that he would be the next logical choice.

At this point I’d do it. It’d be one thing if they were just struggling for a game or two. But the offense has felt this way for much of the season. It feels like they just keep picking plays out of the playbook that they like and nothing builds upon each other. We call plays that don’t matchup with our personnel strength (this is stuff i would be frustrated about towards the end of the doug era in 2019 before December and in 2020– besides wentz being awful). Last two games when they get into the red zone and they’ve been lackluster. They are 1-4 last two games albeit better defenses. But even prior to the bye, this was at least something they were good at

56 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Campbell as we’ve seen has top 5 LB in the league potential…tying big money to Dean when you have a cost controlled option for a few years is probably not the best move considering who else is coming up to ink paper. Campbell needs a lot more weight to even think about full time edge. We complained for 20 years about square pegs in round holes. Campbell is an off ball LB.

The eagles have Campbell listed at 235, Hunt at 252, and Smith at 238

Campbell needs anywhere from 3, to 15 pounds to fit the mold of one of our full time edges. Not much at all.

36 minutes ago, shlo said:

I agree with this in theory, but the difference when Dean is on the field is significant.

Correct. Its about getting all of your best players on the field, and controlling the salary cap. Not re-signing Nolan Smith, and having Campbell bulked up and ready for that role means you continue paying a rookie scale contract at Edge. And you keep Dean who is playing at an unbelievable level right now.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

Campbell as we’ve seen has top 5 LB in the league potential…tying big money to Dean when you have a cost controlled option for a few years is probably not the best move considering who else is coming up to ink paper. Campbell needs a lot more weight to even think about full time edge. We complained for 20 years about square pegs in round holes. Campbell is an off ball LB.

I'd rather pay Phillips and let Campbell succeed Dean. Dean is helping us win a SB this season and will be a nice part of the comp pick formula in 2027.

Might be controversial, but I’d give Tank 40% of the carries moving forward. More of a one cut guy, big time contact balance.

Not sure what the tape shows, but my gut reaction watching the games is that Saquon is falling on a lot of old bad habits. Dancing too much. The OL isn’t playing good enough, so he’s just chopping himself into a brick wall most of the time and putting miles on the odometer.

Players who need to be paid either right after next season or prior to

Jalen Carter

Jordan Davis

Quinyon Mitchell

Cooper Dejean

Nakobe Dean

Jaelen Phillips

Dallas Goedert

Nolan Smith

Jalyx Hunt

Reed Blankenship

Moro Ojomo

Tank Bigsby

Players we’re definitely going to pay

Jalen Carter

Quinyon Mitchell

Every other name on the first list is completely up in the air

15 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

He does have a standoffish vibe to him but I doubt that's an actual problem in the locker room

How many times has he gone rogue that we actually know of? He's able to audible whenever he wants and it's only on 4th down plays where it's noticeable

Yesterday "Tiger Woody!" was pretty noticeable. It was also a failed run play.

1 minute ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Players we might pay either right after next season or prior to

Jalen Carter

Jordan Davis

Quinyon Mitchell

Cooper Dejean

Nakobe Dean

Jaelen Phillips

Dallas Goedert

Nolan Smith

Jalyx Hunt

Reed Blankenship

Moro Ojomo

Tank Bigsby

Players we’re definitely going to pay

Jalen Carter

Quinyon Mitchell

Every other name on the first list is completely up in the air

I don't see any scenario where we don't pay Dejean too - Vic loves him. He ain't going anywhere

4 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'd rather pay Phillips and let Campbell succeed Dean. Dean is helping us win a SB this season and will be a nice part of the comp pick formula in 2027.

Pay Phillips, pay Dean. Find a trade partner for Nolan Smith. Campbell to edge.

2 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Players who need to be paid either right after next season or prior to

Jalen Carter

Jordan Davis

Quinyon Mitchell

Cooper Dejean

Nakobe Dean

Jaelen Phillips

Dallas Goedert

Nolan Smith

Jalyx Hunt

Reed Blankenship

Moro Ojomo

Tank Bigsby

Players we’re definitely going to pay

Jalen Carter

Quinyon Mitchell

Every other name on the first list is completely up in the air

Kind of think cooper dejean is on the definitely going to pay with how fangio talks about him and his play within the defense

4 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Might be controversial, but I’d give Tank 40% of the carries moving forward. More of a one cut guy, big time contact balance.

Not sure what the tape shows, but my gut reaction watching the games is that Saquon is falling on a lot of old bad habits. Dancing too much. The OL isn’t playing good enough, so he’s just chopping himself into a brick wall most of the time and putting miles on the odometer.

Definitely, definitely dancing too much. You can blame the OL for that to an extent, but then Bigsby takes the ball and just goes. He averaged 8.5 yards a carry in the same game where Barkkley averaged like 3...

4 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I don't see any scenario where we don't pay Dejean too - Vic loves him. He ain't going anywhere

Agreed. Not only because he is a huge piece at the slot against receiver, he is a tackling machine against the run. That's why Fangio doesn't want to play him outside.

5 minutes ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Players who need to be paid either right after next season or prior to

Jalen Carter

Jordan Davis

Quinyon Mitchell

Cooper Dejean

Nakobe Dean

Jaelen Phillips

Dallas Goedert

Nolan Smith

Jalyx Hunt

Reed Blankenship

Moro Ojomo

Tank Bigsby

Players we’re definitely going to pay

Jalen Carter

Quinyon Mitchell

Every other name on the first list is completely up in the air

Howie is going to let a bunch of those walk

10 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I'm very happy the Eagles are 8-2. I think they can beat anyone and quite frankly I feel good about Jalen stepping up in the playoffs as well.

That said Patullo just is a really bad play caller. Some guys aren't good at it. He could get better. Steichen was considered a bad play caller in San Diego when he was there before Eagles. But the problem is today Patullo stinks

People have really short timespans because they want a dynasty, so the expectations don't really match the situation we're in. We actually need to get some way to keep an OC for multiple years, rather than getting plucked every year. With the way Jalen is, that actually means either:

• Home Growing a OC.

• Finding someone people won't want as a HC even if they perform well as an OC.

League right now has more or less been using success with Hurts as a litmus test, so you have to find some way to stop that, or you're going to be on the hamster wheel forever. If you home grow an OC, you might have growing pains. Sometimes people take a year, that's actually pretty common. Unfortunately, that doesn't match the expectations people have, and most people don't understand that most installs take place during the offseason - so people can get fired in January for mistakes that they made in July, and never get the chance to develop at all.

Eagles fans more or less aren't even taking into consideration that most of the talent to hire was gone, nor that people needing a year is kinda normal. The main thing the team did wrong was not bringing in enough senior consultants to help guide the installs during the OFFSEASON to prevent stuff like this. Some of the smarter ones would have mentioned trying to install a timing style offense with Hurts isn't a good idea, and that you need to tweak the routes this way, or that way, etc. Look at Miami, even how not good they are, they have TWO former NFL OCs that are sitting on the roster behind a head coach who considered a pretty decent NFL mind, but a poor head coach?

Then Eagles fans are like 'well this could all be solved if Sirianni was Andy Reid or Kyle Shanahan' and it's like yeah okay, that's true, but those don't just grow on trees guys.

No giveaways again. Comfortably first in the league.

Still first in RZ offense. Now third in RZ defense.

Penalties, as mentioned earlier, are an issue.

35 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

They won’t do anything. Siri doesn’t have the balls. They’re still grinding to figure it out he said

14 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I'd rather pay Phillips and let Campbell succeed Dean. Dean is helping us win a SB this season and will be a nice part of the comp pick formula in 2027.

Can Campbell call/lead the defense like Dean does? That is my concern.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

No giveaways again. Comfortably first in the league.

Still first in RZ offense. Now third in RZ defense.

Penalties, as mentioned earlier, are an issue.

Even if our offense still stunk last night but we were a team that doesnt beat ourselves with penalties, we score a bunch more points in that game. Minimum of 6, probably more.

12 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Howie is going to let a bunch of those walk

Does he have any choice?

8 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pay Phillips, pay Dean. Find a trade partner for Nolan Smith. Campbell to edge.

Probably not the best idea unless Campbell shows he can really play edge in the NFL. I know this is going to sound pretty crazy, but I'm going to say something pretty wild as a take.

People need to remember that sometimes having too many good players at one position is the normal result of Best Player Available. Because you are not drafting for need, but drafting for player caliber, sometimes you get logjams. Let me put it like this. If next year we drafted a CB high in the 2nd, and they turned into a pro bowler, does that mean we should look to get rid of Cooper DeJean or Quinyon? I mean, you "can't really pay all the corners and the LBs", right?

But no, sometimes the correct move is realizing that you have a very good trade asset, and trading away the player you selected BPA for something, so you can continue to build through the draft. The correct answer might be to trade Campbell in the 5th year of his contract. People are panicking on who to pay, or how to get Campbell on the field, but the reality is you don't necessarily HAVE to. You just need to make sure the people on the field are good. That's how BPA works. If he can successfully convert to edge, let him! If not, don't force it.

People aren't even realizing that Baun might hit the 30 wall before then, but at the same time he has very little tread on his tires for his age, so who knows.

20 minutes ago, mikemack8 said:

I don't see any scenario where we don't pay Dejean too - Vic loves him. He ain't going anywhere

It’s starting to look more and more like he may be the odd man out. Hes not a dlineman, hes not an outside corner (but will get a deal like Quinyon’s anyway). We’ve never paid a nickel top corner money before. And now that Phillips may be on the table, more sacrifices will need to be made later on

11 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pay Phillips, pay Dean. Find a trade partner for Nolan Smith. Campbell to edge.

I think we're better off drafting an edge with the baseline skill set and body type, than trying to convert Campbell. Phillips vs Nolan, I can see that.