3 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The winds might have hurt us as much as them - DET obviously is a high volume passing team that plays indoors, but how much of our offensive production is about hitting on a 2-3 deep plays (which are even more low percentage under swirling conditions).

Goff had like 75% of his production on line of scrimmage plays. He just threw the ball 8 yards sideways and they ran.

When the Eagles try that they lose yards.

Hurts down the field in those conditions was about 30x better than an all-time terrible Shedeur level Goff down the field.

I don't want to hear about drops from Detroit. None of the balls were in the correct spots.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

I see RG, at least while we are paying Landon and Cam, as the same type of position.

Exactly.

I think Phillips will definitely be re-signed. Howie didn't give up a 3rd rounder for a young impactful Edge to just let him walk. The question is Dean. Honestly, if he keeps playing like this, not sure how you let him go. I may rather let Jordan Davis go than Dean at this point if you have to let one walk. Then that leads to what the hell you do with Campbell? Good problem to have I guess.

But the offense has to Fing hold up their end of the bargain. And I'm tired of the excuses. This is the most poorly coached unit in the NFL and it goes way beyond Patullo. Yes, players aren't executing and that's part of it as well, and some guys aren't playing to the level they did last season like Barkley and Brown, but even with that, you see teams with way less talented offenses find a way to move the ball. Look at what the Giants and Jameis Fing Winston did to the Packers. Give me a break man. This team is unprepared on offense every week and I hope Lurie doesn't wait until it ends our season to have a talking to Sirianni. He had a talk with AJ Brown. Ok, cool. The one who really needs a talking to is this coaching staff, because this is a Fing joke. And it's boring as hell to watch on top of it.

The offense is what it is and will be. They have had ten games, three preseason games and all of training camp. If they haven't figure it out by now they won't. Hope Im wrong but this 2025 Eagles team reminds me of Phillies teams who win a lot of regular season games then get bounced out early in the playoffs because they can't hit quality pitching. I am not counting on them beating Detroit, GB and other teams in the playoffs scoring 10 and 16 points.

Buffalo will be a real intersting game because they are not going up there and winning scoring 10-16 points. There are lots of bad things about this offense but the absolute worst is the obeseeion with the 2 and 3 TE sets. You can't play power football putting those two TE clowns on the field.

The Eagles knocked down 5 passes at the line because Goff was also trying to throw a bunch of 5 to 9 yard passes in the middle (again, minimal wind impact)

Intended air yards were probably like 8.5 for Hurts and 4 for Goff.

18 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

It's shame that the defense has to be hollowed out to pay for this offense.

I would think Howie will start to phase out spending on offense over to the defense. You might see Lane retire, Goedert gone, AJ Brown gone (as soon as financially viable). There will be restructures to contracts that spread out the cap hit to make room for guys on defense. There will be more guys that he has to let go and make tough decisions on just like last year, but as long as the core players are retained AND they draft well enough they will hopefully make it work.

It's hard to believe that not long ago they were drafting so terribly on defense and relying on band-aid free agents and trades, that we now have a young core defense home grown in the draft that we're lamenting that we can't keep all of them because they're so good. Even a linebacker, it used to be an embarrassment certain seasons and now look at that group.

20 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

It's shame that the defense has to be hollowed out to pay for this offense.

Hollowed out is a bit extreme. We are talking about letting Dean go to make room for a first-round pick.

Further, we are really talking about letting tier-2 guys go to be able to pay for the Pro Bowl level guys.

FWIW, the most efficient passer over the last 3 years also played an outdoor game yesterday in windy conditions (Lamar Jackson)

He had a 47.6 rating and 2 picks (yes, one was a stupid volleyball deflection from his RB)

Just now, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hollowed out is a bit extreme. We are talking about letting Dean go to make room for a first-round pick.

Further, we are really talking about letting tier-2 guys go to be able to pay for the Pro Bowl level guys.

I'm thinking we are losing Dean (okay, we planned for that), Reed, Ojomo and have to choose between Nolan and Phillips. That's on top of accepting that CB2 will be in flux.

21 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

DeJean is not a safety

I disagree, I'd say he's a natural safety being asked to play NCB, to get our best 11 on the field. I think he will eventually move to safety and be dominant there, with a somewhat similar trajectory as Malcolm Jenkins.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hollowed out is a bit extreme. We are talking about letting Dean go to make room for a first-round pick.

Further, we are really talking about letting tier-2 guys go to be able to pay for the Pro Bowl level guys.

This is why Sweat and Williams could not stay and why we needed to chop CJGJ off the balance sheet. The money is not for them.

On a side note, given that Jurgens left the game right before the Eagles started running those tush pushes at the end(unsuccessfully) I'm convinced they didn't run the tush push early in the game because Jurgens can't do it as well with his knee.

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I disagree, I'd say he's a natural safety being asked to play NCB, to get our best 11 on the field. I think he will eventually move to safety and be dominant there, with a somewhat similar trajectory as Malcolm Jenkins.

He's a corner that'll lock down, your #1...! 🎶 DeJean is CB1!

I was referencing the song, I wasn't commenting on his ability to play either position. I think he's a true two position that could play either at similar levels of effectiveness. I think the difference between his ability at the different positions is pretty minimal, and so having the equivalent of 3 safeties on the field without losing the ability to cover means you create mismatches that make the defense better. I think that's the real reason why he's kept there. He COULD be a safety. But he'll be good at either spot, so it makes sense to play him at the spot that gives the defense an unfair advantage.

9 hours ago, Aerolithe_Lion said:

Does anyone have a clip of that time Jordan Mailata triggered offsides by tapping the helmet of an opponent who jumped into the neutral zone?

It was Steen

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was Steen

BTW...I know it's PFF, but they had Steen ranked #10 at his position during the introductions.

28 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

This is actually by far the biggest shame, especially considering the offense really hasn't been the thing powering us through games for both this season and last season when it really mattered. The defense deserves to have more resources allocated than the offense, but the prioritization on extreme offensive comfort here probably won't let that happen.

I see an ebb and flow. Defense will get paid as aging offense with top salaries leave/retire, and the Eagles will have to focus on excellent offensive talent drafting as the defense gets paid.

34 minutes ago, rrfierce said:

Will be a real shame when the bulldogs are inevitably split up and go their seperate ways.

Who do you think leaves?

12 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Hollowed out is a bit extreme. We are talking about letting Dean go to make room for a first-round pick.

Further, we are really talking about letting tier-2 guys go to be able to pay for the Pro Bowl level guys.

It's not extreme. Most of the defense is being built through the draft, and a lot of them are on lower money deals, and this is by design. They simply do not get the monetary investment the offense gets, despite them being the majority of the reason we've been so successful recently. The offense is getting carried by a defense with much less allocated financial resources.

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I think Phillips will definitely be re-signed. Howie didn't give up a 3rd rounder for a young impactful Edge to just let him walk. The question is Dean. Honestly, if he keeps playing like this, not sure how you let him go. I may rather let Jordan Davis go than Dean at this point if you have to let one walk. Then that leads to what the hell you do with Campbell? Good problem to have I guess.

But the offense has to Fing hold up their end of the bargain. And I'm tired of the excuses. This is the most poorly coached unit in the NFL and it goes way beyond Patullo. Yes, players aren't executing and that's part of it as well, and some guys aren't playing to the level they did last season like Barkley and Brown, but even with that, you see teams with way less talented offenses find a way to move the ball. Look at what the Giants and Jameis Fing Winston did to the Packers. Give me a break man. This team is unprepared on offense every week and I hope Lurie doesn't wait until it ends our season to have a talking to Sirianni. He had a talk with AJ Brown. Ok, cool. The one who really needs a talking to is this coaching staff, because this is a Fing joke. And it's boring as hell to watch on top of it.

Yup, its not just the playcalling thats awful its the whole design of the O

Ive never seen a team get 4 yards on First down then somehow end up with a 3rd and 10 over and over again.

To me one of the biggest problems has been the O line, every single one of them is playing worse than they did last year, Mailata was PFFs top graded player in the whole league, hes been up and down this year, dickerson and jurgens have been playing on one leg all year, steen has been ok and johnson now on one leg hasnt been his dominant self.

Its been rough.

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

On a side note, given that Jurgens left the game right before the Eagles started running those tush pushes at the end(unsuccessfully) I'm convinced they didn't run the tush push early in the game because Jurgens can't do it as well with his knee.

They ran the one for the TD and he made it easily, but I agree they were protecting Jurgens.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

BTW...I know it's PFF, but they had Steen ranked #10 at his position during the introductions.

Despite the problems that we have moving the ball, I think this unit still pass blocks really well - just a bit out of step with our ultra run heavy identity.

Just now, Freshmilk said:

I see an ebb and flow. Defense will get paid as aging offense with top salaries leave/retire, and the Eagles will have to focus on excellent offensive talent drafting as the defense gets paid.

This is an interesting viewpoint, and I kind of hope so, but I'm skeptical. They have focused extremely hard on making sure Jalen lacks exactly nothing during the timeframe he's been QB. That could change and they could ask more from him though, we'll most certainly see. But I do think with the way they're playing right now, it wouldn't get much worse.

Frankly, it might be about time to switch to a speedster based offense since Hurts feels most safe with very VERY open targets.

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

To be fair, one of the tush push penalties was just a flat out miss by the refs.

Refs were terrible yet again for both teams. Eagles specifically the Johnson hold was ticky tack and the low block penalty because Brown fell was ridiculous.

24 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

But the offense has to Fing hold up their end of the bargain. And I'm tired of the excuses. This is the most poorly coached unit in the NFL and it goes way beyond Patullo. Yes, players aren't executing and that's part of it as well, and some guys aren't playing to the level they did last season like Barkley and Brown, but even with that, you see teams with way less talented offenses find a way to move the ball. Look at what the Giants and Jameis Fing Winston did to the Packers. Give me a break man. This team is unprepared on offense every week and I hope Lurie doesn't wait until it ends our season to have a talking to Sirianni. He had a talk with AJ Brown. Ok, cool. The one who really needs a talking to is this coaching staff, because this is a Fing joke. And it's boring as hell to watch on top of it.

I've said it a bunch of times, it's type mismatch combined with offseason install failures. You have a first year OC that made some improper offseason installs, which are notoriously challenging to fix mid-season. Combine this with Sirianni's scheme lineage being a timing based offense with prototype being Phillip Rivers (SD/IND connection), and it's a mismatch between him and Hurts.

This is also why our OCs constantly get plucked, league realizes anyone who makes it work here has to rectify this situation, so hiring young works against us. We either have to home grow someone, or get someone that other people don't want. And the former means growing pains.