5 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Did him playing a bit after make it worse? Is that a good sign he won't need surgery?

Probably not. And very good sign. If he needs surgery his year is done.

52 minutes ago, mattwill said:

I would add that the play calling had almost completely abandoned designed runs for Hurts. When the opposing Defense has to account for that additional threat, a whole lot more opens up in the RB running game.

How much punishment do you think Hurts can take? Over a career, it becomes cumulative.

At this point, a few QB draws and scrambles is all the running he should do.

I'd even cut out the tush push with the current OL. Because they're not getting much push.

12 minutes ago, mattwill said:

Establishing and fostering the team culture. He is a CEO-style Head Coach rather than a COO-style Head Coach like McVay, and Shanahan, and Campbell and McDamiel are.

Imo I think Doug was a lot like this. He was a CEO style head coach. The issue became when the talent began dwindling away after 2027 and he lost his OC who was really good, he couldn’t adapt to being both CEO and including more COO HC tendencies that you needed when you begin to see a talent drop off.

IMO gonna be a time where Howie isn’t going to be able to give sirianni the best roster in the league. At that point in time, Nick Sirianni is still going to have to be a CEO and include being more of COO style HC

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Probably not. And very good sign. If he needs surgery his year is done.

For sure. Just going on common sense I'd think if it was bad enough to require surgery vs 4-6 weeks he wouldn't have been able to play a few downs.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imo I think Doug was a lot like this. He was a CEO style head coach. The issue became when the talent began dwindling away after 2027 and he lost his OC who was really good, he couldn’t adapt to being more of a COO HC that you needed when you begin to see a talent drop off.

IMO gonna be a time where Howie isn’t going to be able to give sirianni the best roster in the league. At that point in time, Nick Sirianni is still going to have to be a CEO and include being more of COO style HC

That all depends on who the OC is. If they landed a guy like Vic is for the defense to be the OC, then Nick can continue as CEO and not need to get as involved in the game plans, etc. But, those types of OCs are hard to find and keep around for the long haul. The league is so offense driven, OCs that prove their worth don't stick around as OCs for very long at all.

8-2 and beat every good team in the league but one and everyone is mad 🤣🤣🤣

This is also coming off a Super Bowl win 🤣🤣🤣

Yes the oc sucks but Jesus Christ be happy

1 hour ago, Eriv20 said:

If you put him on the panthers right now, you think they’d have the record they have?

He was put on the Eagles following a 4 win season. It took him a year to establish the team culture he wanted … less than a year actually. I would expect a similar trajectory in Charlotte if he went there. Not having Howie to fill the player pipeline would affect the eventual results though.

11 hours ago, FranklinFldEBUpper said:

I was flabbergasted that he punted there. At that point I figured the only way we'd lose is if we did something dumb. Which we actually did.

In Spades. Nearly Barry Switzer level stupid, although his moronic attempt on 4th down from his own 30 was in a tie game, not one with a 10 point lead. But, the Lions had proven they couldn't move the ball on the defense... and punting and making them do just that was the 'easy' path to victory. The defense came out, balled out and actually pushed the Lions back and they still scored 3. Imagine that happening at their own 20 or even 30 yardline instead and the Eagles D only give up 6 in that game.

49 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Isn't that nearly as prohibitive cap-wise as the AJ talk?

Don't know. Just think it is in the realm of possibility

If people think this offense has elite talent, they're not watching the games.

Leaving aside Hurts, Barkley is a top RB, but he's not as explosive as last season, you can see that when Grisby comes in.

Smith is a top 10 WR, but he's a route guy, not an elite speedster and is undersized.

Brown is no longer a top 10 WR, Hurts tried to feed him all game, struggles to get separation and is going down easier after the catch. Still a good WR, but not a game changer anymore - 28 is the game when most WRs start to decline.

Goedert is not a top TE anymore, he's lost a couple steps, I'll bet he's more in the 4.8 range these days, and isn't as good of a blocker.

Dotson hasn't shown much at 3WR, the backup TEs are trash (Latu is more a FB/ST guy), can't in line block or get open downfield.

The OL has really slipped, Mailata seems to have a SB handover, Dickerson is obviously hurt, he can't knee bend and get leverage (look at those tush push plays), Jurgens can't stay healthy, Lane can't stay healthy, Steen is solid but not special, if the other four played like last year, he'd be fine, but he's a complementary player.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That all depends on who the OC is. If they landed a guy like Vic is for the defense to be the OC, then Nick can continue as CEO and not need to get as involved in the game plans, etc. But, those types of OCs are hard to find and keep around for the long haul. The league is so offense driven, OCs that prove their worth don't stick around as OCs for very long at all.

Like you said it is hard to find those offensive Vic Fangio type of OC‘s. Like we can say Josh McDaniels is that archetype for offense at this stage of his career. But I bet this off-season he is gonna get interviews for head coaching jobs due to his work with Maye. Even though everybody knows he’s been a disaster as a head coach.

can try someone like daboll (not endorsing it or saying to do it) but I think he could still get another head coaching job at some point in his career. Even with all the negative stuff, there’s still a chance that if he comes here and gets this offense humming. I’d bet there’s gonna be a team that says look what he can do and he learned his lesson from his first HC job. Let’s bring him in as our head coach. Josh McDaniels was a disaster in two different places and yet the eagles were super interested in him as HC

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

The O is too heavy on stop routes. Having 1 or maybe 2 built into a play is fine, but it seems way too often everyone is running a comeback or a curl with maybe 1 clearing route.

That is particularly a problem when Hurts waits for the receiver to turn before throwing the ball. That gives the DB time to close the separation the receiver created. It needs to be a timing throw where Hurts trusts the receiver enough to let go of the pass before the receiver turns. It becomes a bang bang play that way.

I'm far from Hurts' biggest booster, but the folks who want to move on from him in the next year or two are being unrealistic. For his limitations, the Eagles do an awful lot of winning and he shows up to play really well in the biggest games. I'm all for having the conversation once he's on the other side of 30 (in 3 years), but for now I'd encourage folks to go back and watch how poorly Jaworski played in the Eagles first Super Bowl appearance or watch how McNabb played in any conference championship game.

The same sort of conversation applies to Sirianni. The Eagles haven't exactly been blessed with an abundance of excellent head coaches in their history, either.

7 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

Its because Jalen prefers an inept passing game where no one gets open. 🤣

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Like you said it is hard to find those offensive Vic Fangio type of OC‘s. Like we can say Josh McDaniels is that archetype for offense at this stage of his career. But I bet this off-season he is gonna get interviews for head coaching jobs due to his work with Maye. Even though everybody knows he’s been a disaster as a head coach.

can try someone like daboll (not endorsing it or saying to do it) but I think he could still get another head coaching job at some point in his career. Even with all the negative stuff, there’s still a chance that if he comes here and gets this offense humming. I’d bet there’s gonna be a team that says look what he can do and he learned his lesson from his first HC job. Let’s bring him in as our head coach. Josh McDaniels was a disaster in two different places and yet the eagles were super interested in him as HC

Yup, you need to shop in the discarded failed HC types, just like Vic. Andy did that at the end here with Marty Morhinweg. No one was going to get him as an HC again, so he could add stability to the coaching staff. I'm not sure who that guy would be offensively. McCarthy and Daboll fit that mold, but I'm not sure I want either one. Trouble is getting past the stick of their failures as a HC. For some reason, that stink doesn't linger in my mind for defensive coaches... maybe because a good defense can suffer when the offense sucks, but in Dallas and NY, the failures have also been offensively. Do you blame them, the players, the situation, or circumstances? Hard to say.

49 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Idk unless they truly believe McKee is a pro bowl caliber QB in the waiting or they know they can get someone like burrow (who’s an injury risk) i really don’t see it. I would’ve said not out of line if last year the eagles failed to get back to the Super Bowl and lost the packers or rams games due to passing offense.

My thoughts: either Hurts driven or coaching driven, but they are trying hard to turn Hurts into a pocket passer this season. I understand why to prevent injury, but he is not a pocket passer. His running threat opens up every other part of the offense. The offense doesn't work if he is a pocket passer. If they want to run a more "traditional" offense he isn't the guy. If they go back to what makes him and the offense dangerous amd dynamic, then my opinion changes.

1 hour ago, Wentz_Era said:

After watching Hurts few runs yesterday. Keeping the QB draw out of the main playbook is ok with me. Hurts is lucky he’s got an intact knee or didn’t get his head taken off last night.

I agree with you. I wasn’t complaining, but rather observing.

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

That 2k yd season did a number on the Oline

I think it was more the extended long season resulting in a shorter recovery period in the Offseason

8 minutes ago, mattwill said:

He was put on the Eagles following a 4 win season. It took him a year to establish the team culture he wanted … less than a year actually. I would expect a similar trajectory in Charlotte if he went there. Not having Howie to fill the player pipeline would affect the eventual results though.

This one is easy, the 6-4 Panthers would be 8-2 with Hurts (Arizona and New Orleans)

The 8-2 Eagles would be 4-6 with Bryce Young. (Dallas, Minnesota, LA, Tampa)

Hurts is top 20 in almost every 2nd and 3rd gen NFL History QB efficiency stat. He throws less here because they run well and play good D.

He has way less open receivers here because Siri is not a McVay or KOC or anyone with creativity offensive type.

He's not a 1986 stats Warren Moon or Neil Lomax passing yards per game guy.

QBR is not real. EPA per play is a team stat and its betting odds on drives, not a real football stat.

24 minutes ago, RememberTheKoy said:

It doesn't happen nearly enough

Though it does seem you're biased on the topic lol

50 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Tank is in that neighborhood.

Howie got ripped for the Tank trade for about six weeks.

1 hour ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Isn't that nearly as prohibitive cap-wise as the AJ talk?

Yes and no. It is $65 million on the books, but I wonder if Howie could get the trade partner team to pick up some of that.

10 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'm far from Hurts' biggest booster, but the folks who want to move on from him in the next year or two are being unrealistic. For his limitations, the Eagles do an awful lot of winning and he shows up to play really well in the biggest games. I'm all for having the conversation once he's on the other side of 30 (in 3 years), but for now I'd encourage folks to go back and watch how poorly Jaworski played in the Eagles first Super Bowl appearance or watch how McNabb played in any conference championship game.

The same sort of conversation applies to Sirianni. The Eagles haven't exactly been blessed with an abundance of excellent head coaches in their history, either.

I don't think we can move on from him. Though that's a question for the cap guys in here

I believe the offense is more limited on the playcalling and design though

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Imo it’s a better FA class this offseason. I kind of think they draft and sign one in FA.

Who are the FA TEs who serve the dual purpose Goedert serves?