2 hours ago, NOTW said:

The silver lining is that more games that Fred Johnson starts, they can find out if he's a viable temporary replacement for Lane next year if he retires. He's a free agent after this season. He could work as a 1-2 year stop gap while they draft and develop the next long-term RT.

Exactly what my thoughts are. This is Fred Johnson's audition to be the the RT for the next few years. If he plays just respectable football, it can make it easier for the Eagles to not rush and force a replacement.

Anyone know the cap impact for 2026 if Lane retires after this year?

I'm not trying to defend the decision to make Patullo the OC...or, whatever, maybe I am. Aside from the fact that it's pretty good and standard practice for a defending SB team to promote from within rather than pass over their internal guys that just helped you win a SB, let's also consider that the Eagles have a very, very unique offense. It took Steichen and Moore a significant amount to time to figure out Jalen Hurts and to run this offense the way it is presently designed. Both of their names were dirt at one point. Bringing in an external playcaller over the QB coach, in theory, would have invited another rough transition.

This offense is built around the run. The passing offense is built around avoiding INTs by throwing SHORT of the sticks into softer coverage so they can tush push into a first. And the stray 0-1 time per game deep ball to see if AJ or Smitty can run underneath it. That's not normal offensive design. It's not a slam dunk to just bring in some proven great external OC candidate and ask them to call an offense here in a way that they've never done it before. Any outside guy is going to take time to fall into those guardrails.

2 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

They'd be telegraphing a run play with him in, but he's 5x the blocker Calcaterra is.

They already are telegraphing their run plays. Keep him in there to help block on passing plays too if they need to. Not like he can be worse than Grayson at catching the ball.

On 11/17/2025 at 7:11 AM, Eriv20 said:

He’s a beneficiary of tremendous talent around him. He had some great coordinators that have done a great job as well. But when we need him to step in and fix one side of the ball or at the very least support, he can’t do it. He couldn’t do it in 2023, he can’t do it now.

When Siri is no longer here, he will disappear like Doug P did, guarantee it

So where do you think this leaves him as a coach? Awful? Bad? Decent? Average? Good? Certainly not excellent I'm assuming?

18 hours ago, eagle45 said:

Some offensive futility stats:

• Eagles have the 28th ranked passing offense in the NFL, by yards per game. Every team behind them either has a rookie QB (Titans) or has been shuffling QBs due to injury.

• There are 29 RBs with 100 or more rushes this year. Of those 29 players, only 3 have a lower yards per carry than Saquan Barkley.

• AJ Brown has 7.0 yards per target this year. Freddie Mitchell's career yards per target was 7.3.

• Grant Calcaterra plays nearly 40% of the Eagles offensive snaps. He has 4 rec for 40 yards and is usually a blocker.

• Only 3 QBs in the NFL have played as many games as Hurts and thrown for fewer yards (Rodgers, Bryce Young, Cam Ward).

• Eagles are 29th in the NFL on 3rd down conversion %.

If anyone has access, I would like to see where they rank on 3rd and 8+ and 3rd and 10+...

Eagles score more points than the opposition.

Which stat matters more?

Just now, BigEFly said:

Eagles score more points than the opposition.

Which stat matters more?

Neither, because that's largely thanks to our defense. I've said it before, but one bad defense outing in the playoffs and the offense not figuring it out means we're sunk. I know Hurts plays better in the playoffs and that's really great, but I think we have too much talent to take the "Eli Manning" approach every year (Hurts is definitely better Manning imo, but I'm talking about the offensive success comparison where they elevate in playoffs). You know the one I mean. As we're seeing, people start to get annoyed about that in the locker room.

14 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So where do you think this leaves him as a coach? Awful? Bad? Decent? Average? Good? Certainly not excellent I'm assuming?

He is the Dave Roberts of the NFL.

https://x.com/EmmanuelAcho/status/1990845403366146429?s=20

21 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So where do you think this leaves him as a coach? Awful? Bad? Decent? Average? Good? Certainly not excellent I'm assuming?

Siri is great managing things if he is not involved in the offense. If he is involved in the offense things go to crap

Just now, Diehardfan said:

Siri is great managing things if he is not involved in the offense. If he is involved in the offense things go to crap

well, the offense is crap. does that mean siri is involved more than we know ?

2 hours ago, NOTW said:

The silver lining is that more games that Fred Johnson starts, they can find out if he's a viable temporary replacement for Lane next year if he retires. He's a free agent after this season. He could work as a 1-2 year stop gap while they draft and develop the next long-term RT.

The flip side to that optimistic viewpoint is that he started a number of games last year for the team and they decided that rather than resign him for literal peanuts, that they'd go for a different vet OT in Lamm. Lamm washed out and Howie had to make a trade to fix his mistake of letting Johnson go looking for greener pastures. Seems they already put out their opinion on Johnson as a viable long term option behind Lane... then again, maybe they've changed their view.

4 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Siri is great managing things if he is not involved in the offense. If he is involved in the offense things go to crap

"....things go to crap."

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

The flip side to that optimistic viewpoint is that he started a number of games last year for the team and they decided that rather than resign him for literal peanuts, that they'd go for a different vet OT in Lamm. Lamm washed out and Howie had to make a trade to fix his mistake of letting Johnson go looking for greener pastures. Seems they already put out their opinion on Johnson as a viable long term option behind Lane... then again, maybe they've changed their view.

I do wonder if Fred chose to sign elsewhere thinking there was a better path to playing time.

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I do wonder if Fred chose to sign elsewhere thinking there was a better path to playing time.

well with fred going to starting RT in lane's absence, you'd be a better option as the extra TE, in for blocking.

5 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

"....things go to crap."

Flip side of that was going for it on 4th and 1 at his own 30 in the most recent game. That wasn't a smart move, especially given the context of that particular game.

"Another Eagles sports take: I would consider promoting Scot Loeffler to play caller in Philadelphia. Current QB coach. He was my alma mater’s head coach for 6 years. Unbelievable knowledge for the game offensively. Responsible for scheming Harold Fannin into the greatest season by a TE in college football history. Great game planner. Knows how to utilize elite talent. QBs love him and would die for him. Can’t emphasize enough how diverse and creative he is offensively. His teams at BGSU had one of the deepest playbooks in college football. Objectively a better football coach than Kevin Patullo. I’d be interested to hear Eagles fans thoughts on him regardless. Have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a coach & grinder. He put every ounce of himself into Bowling Green."

https://x.com/Section344Lions/status/1990686112067494053?s=20

I'm sold at he isn't KP. Can't get much worse.

1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

"Another Eagles sports take: I would consider promoting Scot Loeffler to play caller in Philadelphia. Current QB coach. He was my alma mater’s head coach for 6 years. Unbelievable knowledge for the game offensively. Responsible for scheming Harold Fannin into the greatest season by a TE in college football history. Great game planner. Knows how to utilize elite talent. QBs love him and would die for him. Can’t emphasize enough how diverse and creative he is offensively. His teams at BGSU had one of the deepest playbooks in college football. Objectively a better football coach than Kevin Patullo. I’d be interested to hear Eagles fans thoughts on him regardless. Have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a coach & grinder. He put every ounce of himself into Bowling Green."

https://x.com/Section344Lions/status/1990686112067494053?s=20

I have no idea of Loeffler is good, given that Bowling Green is not a power-5 school. But we know with certainty that Patullo can't do it, so it's worth a shot.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I do wonder if Fred chose to sign elsewhere thinking there was a better path to playing time.

Maybe. But, he got next to nothing to sign. And if he was paying attention last year, he saw how dinged up Lane was. There was a very high probability that he'd miss time this year again. But who wants to go play in Jacksonville for that money? He got $1.3M from the Jags on March 19. The Eagles signed Lamm for $2.5M on April 3. Both signed one year deals. The timeline does support your idea though. Johnson signed in 2022 to the Eagles practice squad, after being waived by the Bucs in Nov. He resigned a one year deal in Feb 2023, before they tore that up in August and inked him to a 2 year deal.

My point being, they've been around Fred Johnson for over 3 full seasons now. I'm not sure how much more information they can glean about him than they already have. He is what he is, and they know what he is. He's a fine backup, but I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a full season if there was any way around it. Maybe they can keep him around as a veteran insurance policy on a rookie OT.

15 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

I do wonder if Fred chose to sign elsewhere thinking there was a better path to playing time.

Either he or Howie said that, I don't remember who

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Maybe. But, he got next to nothing to sign. And if he was paying attention last year, he saw how dinged up Lane was. There was a very high probability that he'd miss time this year again. But who wants to go play in Jacksonville for that money? He got $1.3M from the Jags on March 19. The Eagles signed Lamm for $2.5M on April 3. Both signed one year deals. The timeline does support your idea though. Johnson signed in 2022 to the Eagles practice squad, after being waived by the Bucs in Nov. He resigned a one year deal in Feb 2023, before they tore that up in August and inked him to a 2 year deal.

My point being, they've been around Fred Johnson for over 3 full seasons now. I'm not sure how much more information they can glean about him than they already have. He is what he is, and they know what he is. He's a fine backup, but I wouldn't want to have to rely on him for a full season if there was any way around it. Maybe they can keep him around as a veteran insurance policy on a rookie OT.

Keeping Fred, drafting a rookie, and making the rookie earn the job makes a ton of sense. If Lane walks away.

It was Howie

"I think from our perspective, to just go, 'Why not sign him?' There's also in his mind,” Eagles general manager Howie Roseman said on Tuesday. "He understands that we have two All-Pro-level offensive tackles. He's in a stage in his career where he played really well and he was looking for an opportunity. 

"So just because we didn't sign him doesn't mean we weren't trying to sign him. I think for him, he was looking to see what he could do somewhere else because of the situation that we had.”

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It was Howie

He's also a Florida guy. He might just want to be closer to home, or play more in warmer weather. Some people don't like the Northeast, for some reason. 🤷‍♂️

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

I have no idea of Loeffler is good, given that Bowling Green is not a power-5 school. But we know with certainty that Patullo can't do it, so it's worth a shot.

Innovative could be an issue for Nick, though 🤣 Him getting the most out of the people is intriguing

The problem is a new play caller won't change the abhorrent play design. We have to hope there are bunch, mesh, other concepts in the play book that Patullo just isn't utilizing. Shane Haff had a great tweet about the 1st play of the game -- jumbo set, go play action, the LBs bite but we have no routes in the middle of the field behind them. So we open up a void and...send no one into it. We did it against Minnesota and the Giants, but it has disappeared again.

16 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

"Another Eagles sports take: I would consider promoting Scot Loeffler to play caller in Philadelphia. Current QB coach. He was my alma mater’s head coach for 6 years. Unbelievable knowledge for the game offensively. Responsible for scheming Harold Fannin into the greatest season by a TE in college football history. Great game planner. Knows how to utilize elite talent. QBs love him and would die for him. Can’t emphasize enough how diverse and creative he is offensively. His teams at BGSU had one of the deepest playbooks in college football. Objectively a better football coach than Kevin Patullo. I’d be interested to hear Eagles fans thoughts on him regardless. Have a tremendous amount of respect for him as a coach & grinder. He put every ounce of himself into Bowling Green."

https://x.com/Section344Lions/status/1990686112067494053?s=20

I'm sold at he isn't KP. Can't get much worse.

I’ve mentions loeffler a couple times. He’s called plays in college so at least he should get the plays in within a reasonable time. At this point it’s worth a try as patullo hasn’t shown much if any progress