1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

The Eagles being one of the top scoring teams in the league is not an unrealistic achievement. They have the highest paid unit in the league.

Your implication is they can't scheme an offense to be more explosive without turning the ball over a bunch of times. Which is crazy. Unless the QB isn't capable of doing it. And if you can't run a functional offense without the QB turning into a turnover machine then he's not a franchise QB.

Your implication is that they should be outscoring their opponents by 20 points per game while having the toughest schedule in the league. You're totally clueless.

1 minute ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Every other OL has been out/injured/dinged. They all have acknowledged that they (the OL) are not playing as well as last season.

What we witnessed last season will probably end up being the greatest OL performance in franchise history. What we are witnessing this season isn't even close.

Yeah nearly the entire line was injured entering the season but the protection still hasn't been horrible. That doesn't answer the play designs and calling decisions.

1 minute ago, Freshmilk said:

Nope- we just want our offense to be able to carry the team with more consistency and not demand that the defense have to run out on to the field every 2 minutes needing a stop to keep us in the game.

The defense is the strength of the team just like last year. The smart play is to lean into that strength and be conservative on offense. This is obviously the right strategy considering we are 8-2 against a brutal schedule.

You haters continue to gloss over how hard our schedule has been as if we've been barely squeaking by terrible teams.

I do believe some fans are "settling" with the way the offense is just because we're winning

What most of us want is to get value from those contracts and talent on offense. Seems like a huge waste of resources and talent

What's entirely predicable is that whenever the Eagles lose their next game whatever flaw causes them to lose will be touted as the reason they won't win the Super Bowl.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Because when you win the Lombardi, they supersize it based on in-season scoring margin.

Because it will increase the chances they do win a Lombardi if the offense is more productive.

If this team does more on offense, the Eagles will waltz to another championship. I think everyone here knows that if the team falls short it's the offense that is going to cost them and I'd rather not miss the chance of having a dynasty because in a playoff game the Eagles lost 13-10 because the highest paid offense in the league could barely score and went 3 and out 10 times.

I don't get the burying your head in the sand defense of this offense. They lead the NFL in 3 and outs. For the highest paid offense in the entire league. It's completely unacceptable we're getting this level of production from that group.

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

Your implication is that they should be outscoring their opponents by 20 points per game while having the toughest schedule in the league. You're totally clueless.

That is not my implication at all. I was responding to one extreme with another. They obviously are not going to win by 20 ppg but there's no denying with their talent on offense they're capable of so much more and based on the way the defense has played, these last two games should not have been close. To just accept that the offense cannot do more than they've done without turning the ball over a bunch of times is an absurdity. You can't think that and also believe in the talent on that side of the ball.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

That is not my implication at all. I was responding to one extreme with another. They obviously are not going to win by 20 ppg but there's no denying with their talent on offense they're capable of so much more and based on the way the defense has played, these last two games should not have been close. To just accept that the offense cannot do more than they've done without turning the ball over a bunch of times is an absurdity. You can't think that and also believe in the talent on that side of the ball.

The OL is decimated and the last 2 games were played in extremely cold and windy conditions against two very good teams with excellent defenses.

You guys are straight up delusional. Get real.

The offense is bad and should be much better. But I'm still going to enjoy the wins regardless. Both can be true.

40 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Is the defense good enough? Because that's what won the last one.

2 minutes ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

Every other OL has been out/injured/dinged. They all have acknowledged that they (the OL) are not playing as well as last season.

What we witnessed last season will probably end up being the greatest OL performance in franchise history. What we are witnessing this season isn't even close.

They need to settle on a five for the rest of the season now as far as possible, if that means Toth or Lampkin at Center and Fred at Right Tackle then so be it, don't keep rushing to get Jurgens or Lane out there again for a few snaps before breaking down again. they need to put out a consistent line for a few weeks, let guys heal properly and let the back ups build familiarity.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The offense is bad and should be much better. But I'm still going to enjoy the wins regardless. Both can be true.

Yeah I love watching defensive football, it may be sacreligious but I think it can be interesting watching struggle years, and we're winning anyway

I'd still like to bring some attention to the running game. Everyone is hung up on the passing game but the team remains a run-based team that can't run.

IMO if the run game is fixed the passing game will magically follow.

The Eagles are 17th in rush yards per game, 25th in yards per rush, but 10 in attempts.

There's some signs of life but they have too many negative plays/penalties. They have to clean that up to set the pass game up for success.

1 minute ago, Arsenal79 said:

The OL is decimated and the last 2 games were played in extremely cold and windy conditions against two very good teams.

You guys are straight up delusional. Get real.

C'mon man, the Lions defense was decimated in the secondary and that was the worst offensive performance the team has put up in the last two years based on EPA per play. It's delusional to think the offense could have played better? It's delusional to call that delusional. It's not like they have some amazing game plan every week and it's just getting shut down by well prepared defenses. It's the same nonsense every week. More game planning, poor execution. It needs to be better and it can be without the offense turning the ball over a bunch.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

C'mon man, the Lions defense was decimated in the secondary and that was the worst offensive performance the team has put up in the last two years based on EPA per play. It's delusional to think the offense could have played better? It's delusional to call that delusional. It's not like they have some amazing game plan every week and it's just getting shut down by well prepared defenses. It's the same nonsense every week. More game planning, poor execution. It needs to be better and it can be without the offense turning the ball over a bunch.

It was just above freezing temps with 25 mph gusting winds. Anyone expecting a passing game clinic in those conditions is delusional.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I'd still like to bring some attention to the running game. Everyone is hung up on the passing game but the team remains a run-based team that can't run.

IMO if the run game is fixed the passing game will magically follow.

The Eagles are 17th in rush yards per game, 25th in yards per rush, but 10 in attempts.

There's some signs of life but they have too many negative plays/penalties. They have to clean that up to set the pass game up for success.

Injuries and the constant need to run up into the teeth of the defense

13 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Yeah nearly the entire line was injured entering the season but the protection still hasn't been horrible. That doesn't answer the play designs and calling decisions.

Didn't say it did. But, IMO, it's the greatest variance from last season. Patullo didn't install a new offense. There wasn't any discussion during the spring/summer around a scheme change. Patullo was the passing game coordinator last season. Stoutland was the run game coordinator. It's the same scheme.

Play calls look bad when someone misses a block.

8 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Is the defense good enough? Because that's what won the last one.

Sure is. If the offense didn't have inept coaches we'd all save years of our lives, though.

Oui, oui!

14 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The OL is decimated and the last 2 games were played in extremely cold and windy conditions against two very good teams with excellent defenses.

You guys are straight up delusional. Get real.

Exactly. They need to do better but people are overreacting.

4 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

It was just above freezing temps with 25 mph gusting winds. Anyone expecting a passing game clinic in those conditions is delusional.

Other than the Giants game and half of the Bucs and Vikings game, this has been the offense all season. Regardless of defense, weather, wind, whatever.

No one is annoyed they didn't throw for 400 yards on Sunday vs the Lions. They're annoyed the offense was terrible. It executed poorly, it was poor in design. It's just a bad offense. And it shouldn't be. They do nothing well on offense besides the tush push and they even sucked at that on Sunday. I think a team that has the highest paid offense in the NFL should at least do one aspect of the game well.

3 minutes ago, Arsenal79 said:

The defense is the strength of the team just like last year. The smart play is to lean into that strength and be conservative on offense. This is obviously the right strategy considering we are 8-2 against a brutal schedule.

You haters continue to gloss over how hard our schedule has been as if we've been barely squeaking by terrible teams.

Not hating, just want fewer 3 and outs. If we didn't have pro-bowlers across the offense I may feel differently. Against the Lions they were playing 3 or 4 backups in their defensive backfield. They have a good defense but an offense stacked like ours should feast on back ups. Our offense curled up in a ball. It's apparent that our offense isn't good. It's easy to defend, easy to decipher, easy to game plan against. What is wrong with wanting more for a team paying $100,000,000 to its starting offense and the top 8 cap hits this year are on offense? Love winning, but wanting a more balanced team isn't hating.

22 minutes ago, justwinbaby said:

Yeah nearly the entire line was injured entering the season but the protection still hasn't been horrible. That doesn't answer the play designs and calling decisions.

As good of a job as Howie's done he dropped the ball getting more OL depth in the offseason. That isn't me bashing him so much as he had the medical reports and knew it would stretch into the start of the season. He fixed one error getting Johnson back. I wish he kept MB, but even past that Pryor and Toth shouldn't have been the only FA he brought in knowing Cam and Dickerson were banged up. I can't complain about the draft because he did well, but I wish he gave Stout more to work with.

39 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think Johnson was done dirty and Kellen Moore was made to look a genius by the signing of Saquon giving the running game a level of juice a magnitude above anything we'd put else we'd put out there since prime Shady, I think if Brian Johnson had got a second year with Saquon and Vic's '24 defense, we'd have done at least the same as last year. I think Steichen benefitted from being settled in the job and willing to raise his voice and promote his own idea's a bit more.

I think there's a very real risk that we dump Patullo at seasons end and end up having this discussion again as Sirianni insists on his offense as the baseline with the new guy in 2026.

What's funny is Brian Johnson started to improve throughout the year, and the pass offense was better than Moore or Patullo (minus the INTs). Also the differences in the Brian Johnson offense vs the Kellen Moore offense rankings:

Brian Johnson: Points 7th, Total Yards 8th, Pass yards 16th, Pass TD 16th, INTs 24th, Rush yards 8th, Rush TDs 5th

Kellen Moore: Points 7th, Total Yards 8th, Pass yards 29th, Pass TD 12th, INTs 3rd, Rush yards 2nd, Rush TDs 2nd

Kevin Patullo: Points 16th, Total Yards 25th, Pass yards 28th, Pass TD 14th, INTs 1st, Rush yards 17th, Rush TDs 14th

So just purely from stats, Brian Johnson's offense was better at passing than Moore or Patullo except the INTs. Equal to Moore's on points and total yards.

Moore had Barkley and Siri's focus on turnovers so dramatic drop in INTs, but pass game dropped from 16th to 29th while run game went from 8th to 2nd.

We had our frustrations with Brian Johnson but his pass offense performed better than all 3, and the 2023 team defense was among the leagues worst. It's possible that Brian Johnson paired with Fangio's top defense would be a better situation. Also worth noting that one of the selling points at the time in hiring Brian Johnson was his prior relationship with Hurts, and that he worked under Steichen who was our best OC. (Shane Steichen: Points 3rd, Total Yards 3rd, Pass yards 9th, Pass TD 14th, INTs 3rd, Rush yards 5th, Rush TDs 1st)