47 minutes ago, krzyroone07 said:

It was a horrendous play design on that Hurts sack. Yea can’t take a sack. But there was no where to go. How about we run mesh? Or just run it twice?

I thought he had a clear lane had he stepped up in the pocket. Easy first down if he makes an athletic play and darts between the OL that were blocking.

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

Slowik and Bevell would 1000% be upgrades over patullo, never even interviewed. Your argument was that no one was available, i'm showing you that not only were people available but there were at least 2 far more qualified options. The Eagles had zero intention on signing anyone but patullo, which is why both articles discuss how he's already on the inside track for the job. Truly embarassing and idiotic from a team who made the same mistake with Brian Johnson not even 3 gears ago.

1 is an upgrade almost assuredly (Bevell). Slowik…debatable. Again, the cupboard was pretty bare and they went for continuity and a dart throw over another dart throw. I asked who they ‘lots of names’ were. Not a list of pipe dreams and speculation on if they can handle it too with 2 decent names thrown in.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Unpopular take: The Eagles didn’t take their foot off the gas. They just kept screwing up and cost themselves points.

A little of both. Id say they called more 1st and 2nd down runs as soon as the 2nd half began. So it was more conservative. Too conservative. Especially since all of us sitting at home knew it wouldnt work.

After some unsuccessful runs and penalties, passing on like 3rd and 15 or 3rd and 25 was too little too late.

They think running a gimmicky play here or there is the answer. Like the obvious pass to Saquon behind trips out wide. Or the jet sweep. Or the Saquon hand off from FB.

None of it is part of a bigger plan of attack. It would be one thing if those plays were regular parts of our offense, but we'll probably never see them again. Just random calls. It's s so transparent and embarrassing.

17 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

There's no way you can objectively say they didn't on both sides of the ball. They felt super comfortable at 21pts in the 2nd quarter and Dallas made them pay for it

Even after 21-0 it would have been nice to get maybe a couple FG's instead of nothing their next 8 drives. I know they missed the one but still. Get something. Not expecting to score TDs every drive but you have to get some points. 21-0 that early in the game is nothing in today's NFL.

10 minutes ago, vaeagle2 said:

if nick and patullo were fired at season's end , they would never get a NFL job again,

Nick would absolutely. Come on.....been to the playoffs every year, 2 trips to the SB and 1 Lombardi.

Patullo on the other hand, probably not.

9 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Unpopular take: The Eagles didn’t take their foot off the gas. They just kept screwing up and cost themselves points.

I agree.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

big beautiful post. I agree on all points.

I can't really agree on all the points. One of the biggest reasons we're in this situation is because abandoning the run and making Hurts and the passing game carry the team doesn't work. Additionally, Sirianni is a much better caller of that kind of thing with Patullo, and that's not even withstanding if the play design holds up.

It might be true if we had the type of QB for that, but Hurts clearly benefits in his game quite a bit by having a run game, that's part of our problem with our poor run blocking.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d argue the Eagles decided to not go to AJ Brown anymore from the first quarter to 10 minutes in the third quarter. I ****ed about this last year. They did the same thing when they played the ravens then the Panthers. He’d be going off in a half and then they just casually not throw him another pass for a long stretch.

Before everybody goes well defenses adjust… they do, but it’s not always their adjustments that makes the eagle stop doing it. There’s times where you watch plays called and they go away from it for a long period of time. Then remember a quarter or more later and then the offense has gotten out of rhythm and into a funk

Yeah, I don’t have a great response to Brown going MIA while he was clearly on a heater. No idea what happened there.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the penalties made the offense look like a bigger shitshow than it was. Barkley falling down on his own on the play that set up third and 2 was bad. Fred Johnson, Smith OPI, Barkley fumble. The list goes on.

TBF, while it sucked, the Fred Johnson hands to the face was almost unavoidable. Fred kicked back into his stance had his arms out and Fowler bended and ran into his back hand with his helmet from what i saw. You don’t want to see it…but that’s the least egregious thing on the list. Smith’s OPI wasn’t OPI either IMO.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the penalties made the offense look like a bigger shitshow than it was. Barkley falling down on his own on the play that set up third and 2 was bad. Fred Johnson, Smith OPI, Barkley fumble. The list goes on.

I think it affected some things, but they went well over a quarter without even targeting Brown again. They do this every game. They just stop going to things that work and/or stop using their best players. It's inconceivable. Bigsby never got another touch. That isn't on the penalties. That's a coaching staff that is overmatched. And the penalties I put on coaching as well, so it's on them any way you slice it.

Agree with all of this.

Would add

• Run based on box counts, no more down and distance (ex: 2nd and 5 is no longer a run down).

• More crossing routes

• Designed checkdowns to Saquon 3 seconds into the play, not 1 second into the play. Running the CBs off with verticals gives Saquon space

• RB rotation: All short yardage goes to Bigsby

11 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Some easy quick things to clean up:

• Immediate implementation of a RB rotation.

• It is an obligatory box that needs to be checked. Devonta Smith gets a minimum 1 jump ball per half. Randy Moss treatment with how good he is at coming down with them.

• Start Toth until he's so bad and Jurgens is so healthy that you can make the switch.

• Stop sticking to the run. Take a page out of AR's book and abandon it when after the first few don't work.

• Eliminate any Hurts runs lateral to the tackles. He's not fast enough and gets run down, usually resulting in an awkward slide for negative yards. Hurts is a north/south A gap runner when no one in the defense is home.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

I thought he had a clear lane had he stepped up in the pocket. Easy first down if he makes an athletic play and darts between the OL that were blocking.

You might be right. I’d need to take another look. But it looked like every receiver was blanketed. All just standing there.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

1 is an upgrade almost assuredly (Bevell). Slowik…debatable. Again, the cupboard was pretty bare and they went for continuity and a dart throw over another dart throw. I asked who they ‘lots of names’ were. Not a list of pipe dreams and speculation on if they can handle it too with 2 decent names thrown in.

You can label every single OC candidate, even the new hot exciting ones, as dart throws. If you're just gonna dismiss every available person because they weren't a hot name then there's no point in discussing who was available. The point is that the Eagles made literally zero effort to even see if one of these other people might be better. They picked thee easy route just like the did with Brian Johnson and would you look at that, it's working out exactly the same

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I think it affected some things, but they went well over a quarter without even targeting Brown again. They do this every game. They just stop going to things that work and/or stop using their best players. It's inconceivable. Bigsby never got another touch. That isn't on the penalties. That's a coaching staff that is overmatched. And the penalties I put on coaching as well, so it's on them any way you slice it.

In argument about the coaching staff being overmatched.

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

Slowik and Bevell would 1000% be upgrades over patullo, never even interviewed. Your argument was that no one was available, i'm showing you that not only were people available but there were at least 2 far more qualified options. The Eagles had zero intention on signing anyone but patullo, which is why both articles discuss how he's already on the inside track for the job. Truly embarassing and idiotic from a team who made the same mistake with Brian Johnson not even 3 gears ago.

Brian Johnson would have this offensive group performing much better, he had to deal with the 30th ranked defense being on the other side of the ball. Being completely honest, expectations in Philadelphia are too high for home growing OCs, and too high for getting your coordinators plucked every year. The only possible solution is to hire people who are old like Bevell.

1 hour ago, devpool said:

You can't expect them to win every single game by themselves. They had two turnovers, three if you count the 4th down stop ON THE FING GOAL LINE. That was them changing the game and giving the offense the chance to win, and yet again the offense crapped down its leg. They held the cowboys to 24, at home, fighting the refs, with the offense giving them absolutely nothing in terms of rest or points.

Not nothing, I mean they scored 21 points and looked competent doing it in the 1st half but then they imploded and put the D on the field too much but still a couple if their drives were way too easy, seems after Vic got a 21 point lead he went prevent until it was tied and that prevent D gave up some big chunk plays.

That PI that should have been OPI was a game changer though. Just such a bad call

6 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I think the penalties made the offense look like a bigger shitshow than it was. Barkley falling down on his own on the play that set up third and 2 was bad. Fred Johnson, Smith OPI, Barkley fumble. The list goes on.

Thats a positive because much easier than coming up with a new fancy creative offense would be to clean up penalties even just a little bit. Then you might see a few more points on the board. Even like 2 more FGs a game would be huge with this defense.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I gave a list. Do you have one?

Defense crapped the bed

Every one in green. Vic is at the bottom of the list... as is the defensive side. The offense, special teams and offensive staff top the list. The defense didn't 'crap the bed' though. They were holding on for dear life as the offense took virtually no time off the clock and never added a point to the scoreboard the entire second half. Dallas is a really good offense. They were going to score points, everyone knew that going into the game. They put up over 30 points 5 times this year. 24 points wasn't a bad day for the defense. It wasn't great, but it wasn't a 'crap the bed' performance. The offense, on the other hand, that was a crap the bed... as was the ST's game.

2 minutes ago, krzyroone07 said:

You might be right. I’d need to take another look. But it looked like every receiver was blanketed. All just standing there.

Oh yeah, that part of it wasn't great. But Hurts has to make a play there. You CAN'T take that sack, especially when the yards were there for him to take.

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Nick has found a way to an incredible win percentage while handcuffed with a QB who makes every OC look like crap.

We already know how excellent Nick is at building a culture, AND keeping it together through rough times.

He leaves a lot to be desired as a game day coach. As does Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Dan Campbell... all the other best HCs in the NFL. There has been times when Nick made better game day decisions. Probably needs the right staff around him.

At the same time, you wont admit this because youre very pro-Hurts, but youd see Nicks actual offense which was way different in Indy until he adapted for Hurts here.

Nicks team building, with a real NFL offense, and god forbid you give him a real QB... he already can hardly lose. He may become unstoppable elsewhere.

So I am far more pro Hurts than you. Guy is a gamer in big championship level moments...better than baseline. That's so rare for any QB. He's a SB MVP with an absurd winning percentage with this franchise. And I suspect he's our best chance to win right now too.

That said...all of the above has riled up a base of rabidly pro-Hurts defenders (and middle ground fans)...who do fail to acknowledge one very important thing: Hurts is a singularly unique QB as a long-term starter in the NFL right now. You have to run a VERY specific offense to maximize his talents, his comfort zone, and to win with Hurts. AR, Sean McVay...if they were magically the HC/OC/playcaller here, they couldn't run an offense that is ANYTHING like anything they have preferred to run in their entire careers here. Take the blueprint, and throw it out. Siri, Patullo, whomever the next OC will be...they are running a different offense than their NFL peers. Coaches here need a heavily modified playbook and playcalling approach. Whoever interviews for the soon-to-be-vacant OC spot here in the offseason...they are going to have to meet with Lurie, Howie, and Siri to discuss not their blueprint for a prototypical NFL offense, but exactly how they would run things here under the unique constraints we have. That's just the objective reality of Hurts at QB.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Even after 21-0 it would have been nice to get maybe a couple FG's instead of nothing their next 8 drives. I know they missed the one but still. Get something. Not expecting to score TDs every drive but you have to get some points. 21-0 that early in the game is nothing in today's NFL.

Nick would absolutely. Come on.....been to the playoffs every year, 2 trips to the SB and 1 Lombardi.

Patullo on the other hand, probably not.

Do you think sirianni would be able to without a gm like roseman consistently putting talented teams together? It’s troubling he’s repeating the same pattern of behavior from 2023. He probably would get another bc gig but disappear like pederson on did.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Every one in green. Vic is at the bottom of the list... as is the defensive side. The offense, special teams and offensive staff top the list. The defense didn't 'crap the bed' though. They were holding on for dear life as the offense took virtually no time off the clock and never added a point to the scoreboard the entire second half. Dallas is a really good offense. They were going to score points, everyone knew that going into the game. They put up over 30 points 5 times this year. 24 points wasn't a bad day for the defense. It wasn't great, but it wasn't a 'crap the bed' performance. The offense, on the other hand, that was a crap the bed... as was the ST's game.

Agree to disagree then

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

You can label every single OC candidate, even the new hot exciting ones, as dart throws. If you're just gonna dismiss every available person because they weren't a hot name then there's no point in discussing who was available. The point is that the Eagles made literally zero effort to even see if one of these other people might be better. They picked thee easy route just like the did with Brian Johnson and would you look at that, it's working out exactly the same

You say this with revisionist history…we all had doubts about patullo. I’ve trashed him since the beginning of the season for being terrible. I’m saying there wasn’t a long list of slam dunk upgrades.

Let's not forget, in the day and age where kickers are making 60 yard field goals seemingly every week, Jake pushed the 58 yarder inches wide right. Make that kick and the Cowboys last drive isn't for the win, it's for the tie and overtime at the very least.

15 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Nick has found a way to an incredible win percentage while handcuffed with a QB who makes every OC look like crap.

We already know how excellent Nick is at building a culture, AND keeping it together through rough times.

He leaves a lot to be desired as a game day coach. As does Andy Reid, Sean McVay, Dan Campbell... all the other best HCs in the NFL. There has been times when Nick made better game day decisions. Probably needs the right staff around him.

At the same time, you wont admit this because youre very pro-Hurts, but youd see Nicks actual offense which was way different in Indy until he adapted for Hurts here.

Nicks team building, with a real NFL offense, and god forbid you give him a real QB... he already can hardly lose. He may become unstoppable elsewhere.