1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Yeah, I don’t have a great response to Brown going MIA while he was clearly on a heater. No idea what happened there.

But again this happened last year too. It happened in 2023 too. Imo they try to get cute and make everybody happy by being involved. With the amount of weapons you have on this offense, somebody or somebodies are always going to feel slighted. You aren’t going to make everyone in this offense happy. There’s not enough plays in a football game. The reality is you continue to go to that well that works until their defense shows they made an adjustment. If they make and then as an NFL coach you should be able to figure it out and make your own adjustments. Sadly we can’t. We were fortunate last year the prolific running game hid a lot of the passing game’s ineptitude at times and fortunately we figured it out our last 2 playoff games.

Just now, bpac55 said:

Oh yeah, that part of it wasn't great. But Hurts has to make a play there. You CAN'T take that sack, especially when the yards were there for him to take.

I don’t disagree, but my thinking immediately is why do we have a play design that isn’t creating any type of separation for the receivers? Agree that Hurts for sure needs to make something happen there

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

You say this with revisionist history…we all had doubts about patullo. I’ve trashed him since the beginning of the season for being terrible. I’m saying there wasn’t a long list of slam dunk upgrades.

I was not happy with hiring within the organization. They needed an outside mind. Obviously still do

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Agree to disagree then

Yeah, we were watching different games, I suppose.

He should have taken off up the middle after his initial drop back. Instead, he panicked and took a weird hop step back another yard. It may have been small, but the lane was there for him to take off right away.

6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I can't really agree on all the points. One of the biggest reasons we're in this situation is because abandoning the run and making Hurts and the passing game carry the team doesn't work. Additionally, Sirianni is a much better caller of that kind of thing with Patullo, and that's not even withstanding if the play design holds up.

It might be true if we had the type of QB for that, but Hurts clearly benefits in his game quite a bit by having a run game, that's part of our problem with our poor run blocking.

Pass heavy 1st half looked good, utilizing AJ Brown heavily. Guys were even open.

2nd half was a lot more early down runs and thats where it stalled out. Hurts isnt consistently going to convert 3rd and longs through the air. You cant get behind the chains like this team consistently does this year.

If hes passing it well in the 1st half, you have to stick with that. At least take it game by game. In this game, they should have stuck with it.

9 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

I mentioned this a few times during the week about how he is an expert at nothing. Ppl in here said he was a great culture builder CEO coach. He’s a moron

I think he has built a great culture here and look he’s been successful… but yeah I mean there’s no doubt this year he’s done a bad job with that stuff.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Let's not forget, in the day and age where kickers are making 60 yard field goals seemingly every week, Jake pushed the 58 yarder inches wide right. Make that kick and the Cowboys last drive isn't for the win, it's for the tie and overtime at the very least.

Aubrey missed a shorter one than Jake in that same direction. Call it a wash.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

You say this with revisionist history…we all had doubts about patullo. I’ve trashed him since the beginning of the season for being terrible. I’m saying there wasn’t a long list of slam dunk upgrades.

That's the thing, there is no such thing as a slam dunk candidate. But you have to assume the chances of success for a guy who has never called plays vs someone who has is going to be much lower. The fact that we as fans can see that hiring him was Fing stupid and the team didn't is alarming.

It isn't revisionist, like you said we as fans knew at the time that it probably wasn't going to go well. It was easy to see then and it's been made clear now that the guy was going to be in over his head.

3 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Oh yeah, that part of it wasn't great. But Hurts has to make a play there. You CAN'T take that sack, especially when the yards were there for him to take.

I don’t think taking a sack there is nearly as big a deal as most apparently. It made the clock run. He didn’t turn it over. The problem was the first reads didn’t get open.

Was that our first loss in the Kelly Greens?

It’s clear Patullo is overmatched. There are certainly other factors but that is clear. And FWIW Brian Johnson has still not gotten an OC job again either and while he was a little hot on Daniels coattails as QB coach last year that has faded. Nick needs a vet. It’s the next part of his evolution. He couldn’t quite let go of offense before but next year he needs to

1 minute ago, pisceschica said:

Do you think sirianni would be able to without a gm like roseman consistently putting talented teams together? It’s troubling he’s repeating the same pattern of behavior from 2023. He probably would get another bc gig but disappear like pederson on did.

It's the Jaguars dude. Who's successful for the Jaguars?

The biggest mistake wasn't Pederson's performance with the Jaguars (though it wasn't good), it's joining them in the first place. Are you in it for the money, or in it to win? Going to Jacksonville isn't being in it to win, that's for sure. Nothing is wrong with being in it for the money, but we can't compare this kind of thing accurately.

Not having a QB scheme mismatch at the very least would certainly help him.

5 minutes ago, Utebird said:

Not nothing, I mean they scored 21 points and looked competent doing it in the 1st half but then they imploded and put the D on the field too much but still a couple if their drives were way too easy, seems after Vic got a 21 point lead he went prevent until it was tied and that prevent D gave up some big chunk plays.

That PI that should have been OPI was a game changer though. Just such a bad call

Completely disagree. 21 points in 26 minutes of game clock and then absolutely nothing for 34 game minutes. They played complementary football for 26 minutes then wiped their hands and said "hey defense you got it".

2 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Pass heavy 1st half looked good, utilizing AJ Brown heavily. Guys were even open.

2nd half was a lot more early down runs and thats where it stalled out. Hurts isnt consistently going to convert 3rd and longs through the air. You cant get behind the chains like this team consistently does this year.

If hes passing it well in the 1st half, you have to stick with that. At least take it game by game. In this game, they should have stuck with it.

Oh, no, I agree in this game, I more meant in general.

1 minute ago, pisceschica said:

Do you think sirianni would be able to without a gm like roseman consistently putting talented teams together? It’s troubling he’s repeating the same pattern of behavior from 2023. He probably would get another bc gig but disappear like pederson on did.

To be fair there aren't many coaches that win without a talented team around them.

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Yeah, we were watching different games, I suppose.

Must have. Though I was at least being respectful

Did they call a single down field shot play in the 2nd half? I don't recall any

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Aubrey missed a shorter one that Jake in that same direction. Call it a wash.

True.

Just now, Mike31mt said:

Did they call a single down field shot play in the 2nd half? I don't recall any

Just because we didn’t attempt any doesn’t mean it wasn’t called.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So I am far more pro Hurts than you. Guy is a gamer in big championship level moments...better than baseline. That's so rare for any QB. He's a SB MVP with an absurd winning percentage with this franchise. And I suspect he's our best chance to win right now too.

That said...all of the above has riled up a base of rabidly pro-Hurts defenders (and middle ground fans)...who do fail to acknowledge one very important thing: Hurts is a singularly unique QB as a long-term starter in the NFL right now. You have to run a VERY specific offense to maximize his talents, his comfort zone, and to win with Hurts. AR, Sean McVay...if they were magically the HC/OC/playcaller here, they couldn't run an offense that is ANYTHING like anything they have preferred to run in their entire careers here. Take the blueprint, and throw it out. Siri, Patullo, whomever the next OC will be...they are running a different offense than their NFL peers. Coaches here need a heavily modified playbook and playcalling approach. Whoever interviews for the soon-to-be-vacant OC spot here in the offseason...they are going to have to meet with Lurie, Howie, and Siri to discuss not their blueprint for a prototypical NFL offense, but exactly how they would run things here under the unique constraints we have. That's just the objective reality of Hurts at QB.

Hurts has gotten them across the finish line. Siri and the rest of the team have dragged Hurts all the way there and I dont think many HCs will be capable of doing that. And, we sure are lucky to have Howie make a team talented enough to do it too.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

He should have taken off up the middle after his initial drop back. Instead, he panicked and took a weird hop step back another yard. It may have been small, but the lane was there for him to take off right away.

I was expecting a run from Hurts on that play.. a designed QB draw was my thought going into that snap. Then I saw Barkley in the backfield and knew that wasn't going to be the play.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I don’t think taking a sack there is nearly as big a deal as most apparently. It made the clock run. He didn’t turn it over. The problem was the first reads didn’t get open.

He could have rolled out of the pocket as soon as he saw the rush overmatch the line and pocket collapse - then either throw or run for the 1st down. He’s done it dozens of times - not sure why he hesitated tonight.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I don’t think taking a sack there is nearly as big a deal as most apparently. It made the clock run. He didn’t turn it over. The problem was the first reads didn’t get open.

He turned what could have been a manageable 4th down conversion, or at least an attempt to draw them offsides, into a necessary punt situation. Also essentially took 13 yards off of the punt. If you're going to take the sack, take it don't backpedal for another 7 yards