1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

Just because we didn’t attempt any doesn’t mean it wasn’t called.

I'm asking if they called any, I don't remember seeing many

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

It’s clear Patullo is overmatched. There are certainly other factors but that is clear. And FWIW Brian Johnson has still not gotten an OC job again either and while he was a little hot on Daniels coattails as QB coach last year that has faded. Nick needs a vet. It’s the next part of his evolution. He couldn’t quite let go of offense before but next year he needs to

It's not even Nick's fault related to the offense thing. I've said it several times, his scheme prototype is Phillip Rivers, Jalen Hurts is one of the furthest things from Rivers you can get besides the toughness. The main issue is that they're a match made in hell schematically, and Nick never got to pick his QB. Patullo inherited scheme from Nick and Steichen, and so Reich by proxy. It's all the exact same thing.

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Must have. Though I was at least being respectful

When was I disrespectful?

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

That said...all of the above has riled up a base of rabidly pro-Hurts defenders (and middle ground fans)...who do fail to acknowledge one very important thing: Hurts is a singularly unique QB as a long-term starter in the NFL right now. You have to run a VERY specific offense to maximize his talents, his comfort zone, and to win with Hurts. AR, Sean McVay...if they were magically the HC/OC/playcaller here, they couldn't run an offense that is ANYTHING like anything they have preferred to run in their entire careers here. Take the blueprint, and throw it out. Siri, Patullo, whomever the next OC will be...they are running a different offense than their NFL peers. Coaches here need a heavily modified playbook and playcalling approach. Whoever interviews for the soon-to-be-vacant OC spot here in the offseason...they are going to have to meet with Lurie, Howie, and Siri to discuss not their blueprint for a prototypical NFL offense, but exactly how they would run things here under the unique constraints we have. That's just the objective reality of Hurts at QB.

Yup.

Hurts has very specific strengths and we're just not doing a good enough job leaning into it. We don't even try rollouts! Hurts is a good thrower on the run, especially this year, and that's just not part of the offense. Some people like to say he's a one-read QB (which is false), but you can make it easier on the QB with rollouts. Also protects the OL by slowing down the pass rush. Non-existent in the offense.

Just now, devpool said:

He turned what could have been a manageable 4th down conversion, or at least an attempt to draw them offsides, into a necessary punt situation. Also essentially took 13 yards off of the punt. If you're going to take the sack, take it don't backpedal for another 7 yards

Meh. We weren’t going for it on fourth there. It even Sirianni wasn’t that dumb. But maybe he would have tried the silly draw them off play.

Today was one of the worst losses this franchise has had in several years and there is plenty of blame to go around but I just scrolled through several pages and barely saw anyone calling out Saquon and it's beyond time to start doing that. First of all, the fumble he had was massive. Second, right before the 3rd and 2 debacle Saquon should have had that first down but slipped and fell which has been happening with him a lot this year. Furthermore, he is a liability as the lead runner of this team. That blame doesn't fall completely on his shoulders as the OL has been an issue and the play calling is predictable. That being said, I watch Tank BIgsby every week hit the hole hard and fast and get 5+ yards regularly while Saquon dances and messes around constantly. I love Saquon and he had an all time great season last year but it's way past time to start calling him out as a big reason for the struggles of this offense and tweedle Dee and tweedle dumb need to start to get Tank way more involved in the offense. One carry for Tank today was pathetic.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It’s clear Patullo is overmatched. There are certainly other factors but that is clear. And FWIW Brian Johnson has still not gotten an OC job again either and while he was a little hot on Daniels coattails as QB coach last year that has faded. Nick needs a vet. It’s the next part of his evolution. He couldn’t quite let go of offense before but next year he needs to

I don't even think Johnson was a QB coach with Washington. He is a pass game coordinator and seeing as though its Kliff Kingsbury's offense, not sure what his role is.

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

When was I disrespectful?

That was a backhanded comment

1 minute ago, RLC said:

Yup.

Hurts has very specific strengths and we're just not doing a good enough job leaning into it. We don't even try rollouts! Hurts is a good thrower on the run, especially this year, and that's just not part of the offense. Some people like to say he's a one-read QB (which is false), but you can make it easier on the QB with rollouts. Also protects the OL by slowing down the pass rush. Non-existent in the offense.

No rollouts in this offense is one of the firable offenses. It's so easy. Helps your OL, helps your QB, makes the defense think on their rushes instead of just blindly rushing like Dallas was. Criminal

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's the Jaguars dude. Who's successful for the Jaguars?

The biggest mistake wasn't Pederson's performance with the Jaguars (though it wasn't good), it's joining them in the first place. Are you in it for the money, or in it to win? Going to Jacksonville isn't being in it to win, that's for sure. Nothing is wrong with being in it for the money, but we can't compare this kind of thing accurately.

Not having a QB scheme mismatch at the very least would certainly help him.

But do you think sirianni would do well without a gm like roseman stacking this roster with talent? I don’t see what some ppl see in him. Less talented rosters are not ranked 25th in offense or leading league in three and outs.

2 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup.

Hurts has very specific strengths and we're just not doing a good enough job leaning into it. We don't even try rollouts! Hurts is a good thrower on the run, especially this year, and that's just not part of the offense. Some people like to say he's a one-read QB (which is false), but you can make it easier on the QB with rollouts. Also protects the OL by slowing down the pass rush. Non-existent in the offense.

No coach has really used rollouts with Hurts. He doesnt throw on the run often. He may do well with it on the rare occasion he tries, but it doesnt seem to be something he is comfortable with.

5 minutes ago, devpool said:

Completely disagree. 21 points in 26 minutes of game clock and then absolutely nothing for 34 game minutes. They played complementary football for 26 minutes then wiped their hands and said "hey defense you got it".

Totally agree and thats not nothing, nothing would be zero points, nothing would be the 2nd half.

3 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

I'm asking if they called any, I don't remember seeing many

I’m sure they did but they were covered up. Hurts isn’t shy about pulling the trigger on those.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

Hurts has gotten them across the finish line. Siri and the rest of the team have dragged Hurts all the way there and I dont think many HCs will be capable of doing that. And, we sure are lucky to have Howie make a team talented enough to do it too.

Well that's also why they are receding this year. Dynasties usually start with an ultra talented team...that talent fades after guys get big contracts...and then they still compete for titles because of a generationally spectacular player that just elevates everyone and requires less talent to get it done. I'm not bashing Hurts when I say that he's not Brady/Mahomes. But you can't keep a team together that consists of about 50% pro-bowlers in the starting lineup.

Jurgens might be having the worst season of any player on the team given his expectations. I know he’s been banged up but he needs to sit for a week or two. He got cooked today.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Meh. We weren’t going for it on fourth there. It even Sirianni wasn’t that dumb. But maybe he would have tried the silly draw them off play.

Then he still took 13 yards off of the ensuing punt. You can argue that the defense was getting washed on the last drive anyway, sure. But 13 yards is 13 yards, and at that point of the game is a huge swing. It was an awful sack at the worst time.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

That was a backhanded comment

A little sensitive tonight, eh? Very well.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

No coach has really used rollouts with Hurts. He doesnt throw on the run often. He may do well with it on the rare occasion he tries, but it doesnt seem to be something he is comfortable with.

Hes really good at rolling to the right holding the ball for 6 seconds then throwing the ball out of bounds, atleast he isnt running out of bounds behind the LOS anymore...😒

5 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

He could have rolled out of the pocket as soon as he saw the rush overmatch the line and pocket collapse - then either throw or run for the 1st down. He’s done it dozens of times - not sure why he hesitated tonight.

It never seems like he completes many passes when he rolls out of the pocket unless its something quick by design.

3 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

You say this with revisionist history…we all had doubts about patullo. I’ve trashed him since the beginning of the season for being terrible. I’m saying there wasn’t a long list of slam dunk upgrades.

The bigger issue is this, it is the second time in 3 years they have been burned with an OC that has little playcalling experience. If you think you are a Super Bowl contender which we have been the last three years, then you really shouldn’t be relying on guys with no play calling experience. The reason is there’s a learning curve. Even if Pattulo took a massive jump in 2026, there was always going to be a learning curve his first year doing it and it likely hurts your offense. It’s the same thing with Brian Johnson in 2023. They are learning and doing something they’ve never done. Granted should show improvements week to week but the didn’t.

Imo and I’ve said this before, sirianni is a lot like Doug. When you have a lot of talent, he can keep that locker room together and have them playing hard. Guys love him and will run through a wall for him. Usually the team plays hard and doesn’t no show. But like Doug, i don’t think either are mcvay style. Also like Doug there’s a large portion of times they don’t utilize their personnel to it’s maximum. It’s why Doug’s offense also became stale as years went on then wentz fell off a cliff. In 2019 up until December we discussed misusing his personnel and that the route concepts/plays were stale. We can go back to the blog and look at it. We can go on Twitter because it was there. The difference is right now. The eagle still have a loaded roster on offense, so it is still able to achieve what it wants. After 2017, the talent started to decline, and they really had no answers schematically or utilizing their personnel to its maximum.

Wonder if we start seeing a 50/50 backfield moving fwd

Just now, Iggles_Phan said:

A little sensitive tonight, eh? Very well.

Respectful is being sensitive? Sure. Let's go with that

1 hour ago, SkippyX said:

The Eagles put the refs in a position to do that. It should have been 45-10

Yeah, Cowboys got spotted 7 points on the double OPI non-calls but Eagles still had plenty of chances...they just blew it on offense every single time.

Cant go missed FG, fumble and terrible sack back to back to close the game out when all you needed was a single score on any one of those drives.

3 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup.

Hurts has very specific strengths and we're just not doing a good enough job leaning into it. We don't even try rollouts! Hurts is a good thrower on the run, especially this year, and that's just not part of the offense. Some people like to say he's a one-read QB (which is false), but you can make it easier on the QB with rollouts. Also protects the OL by slowing down the pass rush. Non-existent in the offense.

I'm tired of people getting heat for not being able to tailor a specific enough offense to our 'very unique' QB, and being judged like being garbage because of that. Bad fit for our QB doesn't mean bad. Patullo might actually be bad, but a lot of the others were just bad fits for our QB.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Jurgens might be having the worst season of any player on the team given his expectations. I know he’s been banged up but he needs to sit for a week or two. He got cooked today.

He never should have played, just another on a long list of absolute Fing idiotic decisions by this coaching staff, and this includes Stout if he's advocating for him to play