Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Defense has gotten better but I think it’s fair to wonder how much. Obviously they deserve credit for Packers and Lions but you have to factor in the QB’s and conditions.

With all that said and given the circumstances, Cowboys should have scored more than they did today. Injuries will obviously test how good they are.

I’m already at the point this team is likely the 2 or 3 seed. their schedule is still way tougher than the rams. Got a fraud 8-3 bears and then cross country to 7-4 chargers. Add on probably facing a commanders offense with Daniels twice and going to Buffalo in late December. look at the rams, they’ve gotten better as the season has gone along. Their defense is better. Their offense is better. Their schedule has 2 tough teams the rest of the way lions at home and Seattle in Seattle. The really should beat up the rest Carolina, Arizona, Atlanta and Arizona.

I usually rag on him, but spot on here, and this is just a small part of the issue.

15 minutes ago, devpool said:

That's the thing, there is no such thing as a slam dunk candidate. But you have to assume the chances of success for a guy who has never called plays vs someone who has is going to be much lower. The fact that we as fans can see that hiring him was Fing stupid and the team didn't is alarming.

It isn't revisionist, like you said we as fans knew at the time that it probably wasn't going to go well. It was easy to see then and it's been made clear now that the guy was going to be in over his head.

I’m by no means defending Patullo and never have…but again, there was no ‘long list’. If you went by this mindset of ‘they’ve never called plays they’re gonna suck’ there would be a serious lack of play callers around the league. Honestly, nobody anticipated Patullo being this terrible.

21 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's the Jaguars dude. Who's successful for the Jaguars?

The biggest mistake wasn't Pederson's performance with the Jaguars (though it wasn't good), it's joining them in the first place. Are you in it for the money, or in it to win? Going to Jacksonville isn't being in it to win, that's for sure. Nothing is wrong with being in it for the money, but we can't compare this kind of thing accurately.

Not having a QB scheme mismatch at the very least would certainly help him.

Doug’s biggest mistake was his love affair with Press.

This is a very unimpressive NFL this year. IMO, there is about a 90% chance the SB winner this year will either be the Eagles or a team the Eagles have already beaten this year. So, quite literally, the Eagles can beat anyone. The problem is that I cannot fathom how they can beat multiple good teams in a row when we know the offense is going to lay an egg ever week and the defense has no room for error. Sooner or later, someone is going to get them. Just like Dallas did today.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

If you're referring to NOTW the other night, he was doing it to mock people like HE.

that would make it even weirder since Im never in here posting about Herbert or Burrow or Josh Allen. Heck I was laughed at years ago when I told people they overrated Josh Allen and team started considering guys like Malik Willis in the 1st round, and then drafted Anthony Richardson in the 1st round.

You guys dont pay attention and assign any random pretend narrative to my name. Sad!

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Are you asking do I think he'd do well with an average GM? I don't think he'd do poorly, probably more mediocre. There's things he just can't do here because his scheme and Hurts don't match up at all, but he never got to choose who he wanted to be his QB, Hurts was drafted by Doug and Howie, so that's not really his fault. He wouldn't be as good as here, but I think he'd be better than people give him credit before.

Some people seem to act like Nick is in the best situation of the history of the NFL, while also simultaneously acting like some of the people who have been running the offenses are the worst offensive minds of the history of the NFL, and frankly I'm just not seeing that. I think it says a lot that the people who have made our best years over the past 5 years have both had head coaching jobs - that insinuates that for some reason, teams realize these individuals are very good, and I think the reason why is that they realize with Jalen and the scheme construction, they really have their work cut out for them.

It’s still a very talented roster even with hurts shortcomings. He didn’t pick hurts but there are problems with this team besides hurts. Like sirianni decision making and inability to learn from mistakes; bringing in another trash OC after the 2023. That is absolutely on him. It may not be the best situation in the history of nfl but having a gm that is not complacent and consistently giving you top talent is absolutely a great position to be in.

McLane: On the #Eagles' five possessions after they jumped out to a 21-0 lead, they ran the ball on first down four times (one time to head to the half).

They gained just five yards on those Saquon Barkley carries.

I suppose that could be evidence of taking their foot off the gas if you choose to look at it that way.

7 minutes ago, devpool said:

He never should have played, just another on a long list of absolute Fing idiotic decisions by this coaching staff, and this includes Stout if he's advocating for him to play

Yup shouldnt have last week as he was hobbling around the field and somehow he played worse this week

As said, eagles best rushing performance this year was with Toth at center, not sure why the rush to get Jurgens back hes been atrociously bad and im not sure he ever gets better, wouldnt be the first OL to lose his career to a back injury☹️

4 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There are a lot of issues that caused the loss today. Many of them point to coaching. Coaching is the top problem on the team. Yes, execution by the players is also an issue. But coaches have to get tougher and hold guys accountable.

• Conservative mindset from Siri...except when he randomly does something erratic

• OC play calling

• OC game management, consistently doesn't get the play call in soon enough

• Lack of creativity too often - shown in spots, then go back to conservative which is probably Siri

• Lots of penalties and mental mistakes

• Injured O lineman out there being a liability: for the love of God rest Jurgens till he's actually ready. Hard to believe but Toth actually plays well when he has a full week of practice to prep. Mailata is having his worst season as well.

• O line play and lack of depth - Stoutland arguably having his worst coaching year

• Hole at CB2 which we've known since the offseason

• Hurts missing open receivers, over/underthrown balls trying to force something, taking sacks instead of scrambling or throwing it away

• WR routes

• TE blocking

• Barkley just doesn't have it enough this year

• Tank has been very productive...then they sit him and don't give him carries

• Special teams return game is awful, dumb mental mistakes

• Lack of depth at corner and safety

• Q and DeJean have had some more games where they've not been Superman, and the rest of the secondary isn't good enough to cover

It's also a Super Bowl hangover, even for the winning team. There's a reason they say it's so hard to repeat. I still maintain the rest of the league isn't that great and they can repeat. These are all self-inflicted wounds. And every week they talk about working to improve and it's not a finished product...but there's a LOT to clean up before Friday.

I said before the year started I didn't think they would repeat. Not because they aren't good enough but just because its so hard to do.

Fans are going to be upset if we dont win this year and want everyone fired but what if we regroup, make some changes and end up winning next year? Being in the SB or winning it every other year doesnt sound bad, does it? I think we as fans have to let things play out before wanting to blow things up because we didn't win the SB every year. It's not gonna happen.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

that would make it even weirder since Im never in here posting about Herbert or Burrow or Josh Allen. Heck I was laughed at years ago when I told people they overrated Josh Allen and team started considering guys like Malik Willis in the 1st round, and then drafted Anthony Richardson in the 1st round.

You guys dont pay attention and assign any random pretend narrative to my name. Sad!

No, you dummy, he was mocking your nitpicking of Hurts by doing the same with Allen. How are you so confused by this? Does someone have to explain every skit to you when you watch SNL too?

The tides change quickly in the NFL, especially in a season where all of the teams are very flawed. But it sure looks like the Rams are THE team of the moment.

18 minutes ago, RLC said:

Yup.

Hurts has very specific strengths and we're just not doing a good enough job leaning into it. We don't even try rollouts! Hurts is a good thrower on the run, especially this year, and that's just not part of the offense. Some people like to say he's a one-read QB (which is false), but you can make it easier on the QB with rollouts. Also protects the OL by slowing down the pass rush. Non-existent in the offense.

In order to call roll outs you have to have good play design, enough time to adjust pre snap and be willing to cut the field in half. That is not possible with the trash that’s called.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

McLane: On the #Eagles' five possessions after they jumped out to a 21-0 lead, they ran the ball on first down four times (one time to head to the half).

They gained just five yards on those Saquon Barkley carries.

I suppose that could be evidence of taking their foot off the gas if you choose to look at it that way.

Exactly what I said...

Just now, eagle45 said:

The tides change quickly in the NFL, especially in a season where all of the teams are very flawed. But it sure looks like the Rams are THE team of the moment.

I feel like every year the rams are THE team of the moment

The last five games Tank Bigsby has 18 carries for 163 yards which is 9 yards per carry. He has averaged 7.0, 8.5, 11.0, and 11.6 YPC in four of those five games. Meanwhile Saquon has averaged 4.2 yards per carry over those same 5 games and has been at 3.2 YPC or less in four of those five games.

5 minutes ago, NOTW said:

There are a lot of issues that caused the loss today. Many of them point to coaching. Coaching is the top problem on the team. Yes, execution by the players is also an issue. But coaches have to get tougher and hold guys accountable.

I'm going to make an odd statement about this part of your post. I could comment on the other stuff, but I won't for now. Once upon a time, we really panned Doug Pederson for getting stubborn about Press Taylor. The Eagles organization really didn't like that, and now we're in a situation where we have a coach that's more willing to admit his mistakes or back off things. But that's...not always a good thing.

I've mentioned before that I think discipline issues are from the owner down. Emotional intelligence is what they said they wanted, which is good, but too much of that over discipline can also run amok. If you have someone stubborn - Vic for example, he'll be a little nicer but still anal enough to enforce said discipline. However, from someone like Sirianni, they're less likely to dig in against issues from the FO side of things if they're more willing to not be stubborn like how he was willing to not just stick up and bat for Brian Johnson similar to how Doug did for Press.

In short, there's a balance to these kind of actions I think, and the FO tried too hard to get people who agree with them. Sirianni can be anal too but he got smacked over and over again for being too pointy.

Sometimes it's important to let people be a little bit against the grain in your organization to make sure you don't get complacent. Eagles FO didn't, and I think this is to some degree, their failure too.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

McLane: On the #Eagles' five possessions after they jumped out to a 21-0 lead, they ran the ball on first down four times (one time to head to the half).

They gained just five yards on those Saquon Barkley carries.

I suppose that could be evidence of taking their foot off the gas if you choose to look at it that way.

This was absolutely taking their foot off the gas and it cost them. They know better than anyone that the Saquon early down runs have been a total disaster this year.

They foolishly assumed 21-0 early in the 2nd quarter was good enough to sit on and win.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

McLane: On the #Eagles' five possessions after they jumped out to a 21-0 lead, they ran the ball on first down four times (one time to head to the half).

They gained just five yards on those Saquon Barkley carries.

I suppose that could be evidence of taking their foot off the gas if you choose to look at it that way.

I guess it is. But I'd also content that most NFL teams presented with a 21-0 lead are probably going to do something pretty similar on 1st down of their subsequent possessions. Part of the issue is that it was so ineffective.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

No, you dummy, he was mocking your nitpicking of Hurts by doing the same with Allen. How are you so confused by this? Does someone have to explain every skit to you when you watch SNL too?

Actually, some people do make comments about great plays other QBs make. More likely, he was making fun of them. I wouldnt expect you to know things though. Just another example of you pretending to know things, but being wrong.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

The problem with Barkley is that he was so historically dominant last year and he's the primary cornerstone of the entire offense...so they are being very, very stubborn and reluctant to decrease his utilization. In a normal NFL offense, when the starting RB is in a game averaging 2 yards per carry...the adjustment is really, really simple: stop using him. With Barkley, they keep running him into the same wall. And he keeps dancing in the backfield waiting for bricks to hit him rather than taking what he can get before hitting the wall.

Any other RB in the NFL right now, including Gibbs...they have a day where they aren't doing squat, the offenses moves off them. With Barkley we just keep going and going and going. He's #4 in the NFL in rushes. That number should collapse down the stretch. The tires are completely bald.

Well said. The fact that BIgsby got ONE carry today is just terrible coaching.

4 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Doug’s biggest mistake was his love affair with Press.

Okay, fine, second biggest mistake. His second biggest mistake was joining the Jaguars at all.

8 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

EJ Smith: #Eagles O-Linemen pointed to the Cowboys usage of five-man fronts as a reason for the struggles in the run game.

Landon Dickerson said Dallas hasn’t shown many odd fronts this season and it wasn’t something they had much "time on task” practicing against this week

Stoutland has been awful this season. He’s the run game coordinator and OL coach and both suck. If teams with less talented OLs can run the ball, so can the Eagles even with guys banged up.

And speaking of which, not allowing guys to rest up all season is coaching malpractice. Jurgens had back surgery, a knee, and a concussion this season and they keep running him out there when he’s being held together by duct tape. Bringing Dickerson back early when he’s limping all game.

And that’s not even getting into the fact that they wouldn’t have even discovered Bigsby if Shipley and Dillon didn’t get hurt because they refused to use him until that happened they just kept running slow ass Dillon into a brick wall every week. Whether that’s Sirianni or Stoutland or both, it was awful coaching. It’s just been awful all season on the offensive side of the ball.

Fire him. He needs two good coordinates or is useless and an idiot