1 minute ago, Diehardfan said:

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Yep. There are a lot of issues with the offense but the biggest one by far and away is coaching. All you have to do is watch some other NFL games if watching the Eagles isn't enough to realize it. I mean just look at the 3rd and 2 which was essentially the game being on the line. First off, they should have ran the ball. However, if they were going to throw it use some motion, fakes, maybe mesh routes, something to get an easy look is what most teams would do. Our idiot coaches just love having all of the receivers running vertical down the field even on a 3rd and short. People can point their finger at Hurts for being stacked but again it should have been a run and there was NOBODY open on that play. Just imagine McVay, Shanahan, or even someone like KOC drawing up plays for the amount of talent this offense has.

6 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Ok and act how exactly in late November?

Loeffler and hope for the best

3 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Bad philosophy. Rams jumped on the Bucs 21-0, now they are up 31-7. I guarantee McVay goes for the throat, and its 38-7 here shortly, and if the Bucs score, McVay will make it 45-10 or 45-14

Oh, I guarantee you mcvay does that. Because the rams stay consistent to who they are. They don’t try to shorten the game or go into a shell because they are afraid to turn the ball over. And there’s times Stafford will have a bad interception. But they stay true to who they are. It’s why their offense is usually very consistent besides good play design .

Just now, krzyroone07 said:

He hit the friggin jackpot. A team that was a few seasons removed from a championship with at least a handful of hall of famers on the roster, and one of the best front office/owners in the league.

In most cities, yes. In Philadelphia, not really, because you have a lot of super passionate fans who are extremely bad at critical thinking, and will very quickly forget that he didn't actually pick his QB, while simultaneously thinking he's the worst offensive mind in the history of the NFL as a result.

You know the most annoying thing? All the Eagles problems were obvious and have been issues since week 1, yet most are still very fixable to some degree and we refuse to do anything about it.

• We keep trotting out the corpse of Cam Jurgens. Toth hasn’t been a disaster at center. Why don’t they shut Jurgens down?

• Saquon isn’t hitting the hole. He’s dancing, he’s hesitating, he’s pressing. Bigsby gets in there and all of a sudden things don’t look as broken. Small sample size? Sure. But let’s call a spade a spade - Saquon is playing like 2015 DeMarco Murray right now. It’s not JUST the OL or Hurts not running. Why don’t they play Bigsby?

• Calcaterra and Granson can’t block, yet neither gets targets and Calcaterra plays almost half the snaps. Why don’t they run more 11 or play Latu/Jenkins at TE2?

• Patullo doesn’t know how to sequence plays. He (or someone else on the staff) clearly has SOME good ideas - we’ve seen some inventive plays this year. But he can’t call plays and he’s not getting better. Why is Patullo still calling plays?

• Dotson left bunch of yards on the field as a PR. Gipson was ALWAYS a disaster waiting to happen. Covey is on the damn PS. Why isn’t Covey returning punts?

These things aren’t complicated. Even now, yes even replacing the play caller with someone else on the staff, they are very doable. And yet, we’re gonna spend all week pretending like all the players suck on the most expensive offense in the NFL.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Because the only QB he ever had was Jalen Hurts.

They are schematic opposites in origin!

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

In most cities, yes. In Philadelphia, not really, because you have a lot of super passionate fans who are extremely bad at critical thinking, and will very quickly forget that he didn't actually pick his QB, while simultaneously thinking he's the worst offensive mind in the history of the NFL as a result.

Hurts has NOTHING to do with the head coach being a moron or the fact that he walked in a situation that just about any coach could succeed with. His entire "job" last season when the team won the SB was to let Vic run the defense, Moore run the offense, and not get in the way. Rich Kotite probably could have been successful in that situation.

39 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

The eagles are in a unique and tricky position. 8-3 defending SB champs…it comes off as absurd to make coaching or personnel changes.

But this team has a real chance to be right there to repeat. But that chance collapses to zero if they stay the course. They need to make major adjustments, personnel changes, etc to chart a different course….which could end up worse (think DC chance in 2023). . But will they do it?

4 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I don’t know of many defenses that can hold onto three score leads when hitting the field every 40 seconds after your offense goes three and out four or five straight times. Especially with the talent Dallas has and Dak has always given this team trouble, especially at home.

I 100% agree. I said it when they were up 21 to 0 that Dallas’s offense is good enough where 21 points isn’t an insurmountable lead. Why you had to go for the jugular then so that you can completely put them away. The fact of the matter is, that’s how the eagles have played this in multiple games this year. Against Tampa. Against Denver. And against Dallas.

Imo his team will routinely be in nail biters against teams they shouldn’t be in due to this.

Pretty amazing that Nakobe Dean has made Jihaad Campbell an afterthought.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I actually think he’s closer to Doug than tomlin. Tomlin is a defensive coach and has had a hand in their defenses. They’ve been good. I get the comp based on being a CEO type of coach. He reminds me of a more conservative version Doug that always tries to avoid turnovers at all costs. After 2017 when Reich left, Doug and his OC saw their offense become stale as th years and games went by. We discussed it on here and was discussed all over Twitter. He also began not utilizing his personnel well. I illustrated this and a massive post on here in 2019 after the Dolphins game that they lost. Like not using webs on more roll outs when he was excellent at it. To Doug’s credit in 2019 after that game he became utilizing his guys better and they got hot. But wentz declined, talent declined and the offensive play calling scheming went south with it.

Obviously they both have forte’s on opposite sides of the ball, but both have tendencies to be able to f up a wet dream while just racking up ridiculous streaks and accolades despite that. We are staring down the barrel of another wasted season and a 1 and done under Siri. Something Tomlin is used to as well. I think Siri is going to have a bit longer of a leash than Doug personally. The coming years will tell.

21 minutes ago, Utebird said:

It wasnt a bad return the biggest issue was fielding the punt that wouldve gone into the end zone at the 1.

WTF field a punt at the 1??? Thats just an idiotic move, then of course the fumble to cap off the play just adding stupid gravy on top of stupid mash potatoes...😒

The dude was cut from the Jets for, wait for it, fumbling a PR that lost the game. The Giants claimed him and kept him for 6 whole days. He has 11 fumbles in less than 3 years.

The fielding decision was stupidity and the fumble was the ish cherry on top. Either way, the fact that dude is even out there and on the team is a big red X on Howie and coaches for the return games being awful almost all season.

7 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Yep. There are a lot of issues with the offense but the biggest one by far and away is coaching. All you have to do is watch some other NFL games if watching the Eagles isn't enough to realize it. I mean just look at the 3rd and 2 which was essentially the game being on the line. First off, they should have ran the ball. However, if they were going to throw it use some motion, fakes, maybe mesh routes, something to get an easy look is what most teams would do. Our idiot coaches just love having all of the receivers running vertical down the field even on a 3rd and short. People can point their finger at Hurts for being stacked but again it should have been a run and there was NOBODY open on that play. Just imagine McVay, Shanahan, or even someone like KOC drawing up plays for the amount of talent this offense has.

Tbh i thought for sure they’d run a Qb draw on that or tush push to try and make it 4th and short. Cause i tend to believe sirianni is going to go for it if it were 4th and 1 or less. I can hear him saying in the presser well if we get the first there, we’re 20 yards away from being a field goal range and Dallas may never touch the ball again.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

In most cities, yes. In Philadelphia, not really, because you have a lot of super passionate fans who are extremely bad at critical thinking, and will very quickly forget that he didn't actually pick his QB, while simultaneously thinking he's the worst offensive mind in the history of the NFL as a result.

That’s most fan bases though.

If hurts is that much of a handicap and sirianni sees this obvious pattern, then why doesn’t he pick an experienced OC? Clearly he (hurts) does better with experienced OCs who know wtf they’re doing. So why does sirinni keep making the same mistake if he’s such a great coach?

Just now, T-1000 said:

Hurts has NOTHING to do with the head coach being a moron or the fact that he walked in a situation that just about could succeed with. His entire "job" last season when the team won the SB was to let Vic run the defense, Moore run the offense, and not get in the way.

I was replying to your thing about 'he called it and they sucked', 'he hired people and they sucked'.

I'm saying it's because him and Hurts are schematic OPPOSITES. Nick quite literally is not about to directly contribute to the offense because him, and his player at what some call the 'most important position in all of sports' are schematically OPPOSITE each other. That's a big part of WHY he needs OCs to manage the offense in the first place, and why they get poached.

5 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

You know the most annoying thing? All the Eagles problems were obvious and have been issues since week 1, yet most are still very fixable to some degree and we refuse to do anything about it.

• We keep trotting out the corpse of Cam Jurgens. Toth hasn’t been a disaster at center. Why don’t they shut Jurgens down?

• Saquon isn’t hitting the hole. He’s dancing, he’s hesitating, he’s pressing. Bigsby gets in there and all of a sudden things don’t look as broken. Small sample size? Sure. But let’s call a spade a spade - Saquon is playing like 2015 DeMarco Murray right now. It’s not JUST the OL or Hurts not running. Why don’t they play Bigsby?

• Calcaterra and Granson can’t block, yet neither gets targets and Calcaterra plays almost half the snaps. Why don’t they run more 11 or play Latu/Jenkins at TE2?

• Patullo doesn’t know how to sequence plays. He (or someone else on the staff) clearly has SOME good ideas - we’ve seen some inventive plays this year. But he can’t call plays and he’s not getting better. Why is Patullo still calling plays?

• Dotson left bunch of yards on the field as a PR. Gipson was ALWAYS a disaster waiting to happen. Covey is on the damn PS. Why isn’t Covey returning punts?

These things aren’t complicated. Even now, yes even replacing the play caller with someone else on the staff, they are very doable. And yet, we’re gonna spend all week pretending like all the players suck on the most expensive offense in the NFL.

QFT

11 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Rams look pretty dominant right now. And it looks like the rematch will be in LA if the Eagles get that far.

Yup Rams have looked good all year, eagles beating them took two blocked FGs, thats not happening again and if the rematch is in LA done Rams are going to run the birds out of the building, eagles D plays better outside as we saw today.

Rams have a more complete team. QB who can make all the throws and has seen all the things, they have a good enough OL great WRs a run game that can do enough really good play caller on O and a defense that can bring a lot of pressure with just 4. I dont see the birds beating them in LA unless they can figure out how to run the ball, which I dont think they can.

Eagles O has zero identity and the Rams know exactly who they are

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

I was replying to your thing about 'he called it and they sucked', 'he hired people and they sucked'.

I'm saying it's because him and Hurts are schematic OPPOSITES. Nick quite literally is not about to directly contribute to the offense because him, and his player at what some call the 'most important position in all of sports' are schematically OPPOSITE each other. That's a big part of WHY he needs OCs to manage the offense in the first place, and why they get poached.

That's a big problem though. If you are "an offensive mind" but cant use a player like Hurts to his strengths and instead want to try to Jam a square peg into a round hole you simply aren't a good coach.

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The dude was cut from the Jets for, wait for it, fumbling a PR that lost the game. The Giants claimed him and kept him for 6 whole days. He has 11 fumbles in less than 3 years.

The fielding decision was stupidity and the fumble was the ish cherry on top. Either way, the fact that dude is even out there and on the team is a big red X on Howie and coaches for the return games being awful almost all season.

Thats an alarming amount of fumbles for a guy that touches the ball a few times a game.👀

Just now, pisceschica said:

That’s most fan bases though.

If hurts is that much of a handicap and sirianni sees this obvious pattern, then why doesn’t he pick an experienced OC? Clearly he (hurts) does better with experienced OCs who know wtf they’re doing. So why does sirinni keep making the same mistake if he’s such a great coach?

It's not a handicap in my opinion as much as they're just a really bad fit for each other. Hurts is more the type that would work well with someone like Roman or Ravens choices, guys where their background prototypes are QBs that can move, and have offenses that really take advantage of those kind of abilities.

And also, my take is that he's a good coach. I don't think he's an elite coach. My take is average offense mind, good coach overall.

I think like I've always said here, there's a reason this always happens after the Eagles go to the SB. I think they should be more exhaustive even when that happens, but I have a feeling that when they go to the SB, they get a bit skittish about candidates. I think that's actually something Sirianni could afford to be more cynical in, and overstock his staff with backup options. Mind you, that doesn't always fix what problems you have - see the Dolphins which have TWO OC candidates just chilling on the staff based on their background, one of which I consider a very good interview - but it does make it easier for you to have good backup plans, which is where I really feel like they've been lacking.

19 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Take away Steichen/Moore and Gannon/Vic and the crazy talent Howie has put together and this guy never wins anything.

Someone else fits this description, too

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Obviously they both have forte’s on opposite sides of the ball, but both have tendencies to be able to f up a wet dream while just racking up ridiculous streaks and accolades despite that. We are staring down the barrel of another wasted season and a 1 and done under Siri. Something Tomlin is used to as well. I think Siri is going to have a bit longer of a leash than Doug personally. The coming years will tell.

I think sirianni will get more time. But how long? doug got 3 years after winning. I kind of think if the offense looks like this in 2026 with another OC then there’s going to be a discussion about lurie moving on. in that fair to sirianni after getting to 2 SBs and winning one? Probably not but i also don’t think lurie is going see the same things keep happening and not do something about it. For the passing game, it would then be the 3rd consecutive year of it being pretty inconsistent.

15 minutes ago, Diehardfan said:

Easily. 6 weeks left. It's absolutely possible starting with an OC who can make decisions quickly and make adjustments. Changes can be worked in slowly. Did you watch the 04 Super Bowl. Went from a 3-4 to 4-3 in the BYE

There’s no outside OC that’s going to come in now and adjust to the Nick Sirianni offense and do anything better than Patullo.

The choices are give Sirianni play calling or give it to Parks Frazier. Either way the offense is going to be the same concepts they have practiced since July.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

I think there was a real cost to moving Dejean out of his comfort zone after the injury. Granted, he was going up against a stud WR, but that's the most I've ever seen him struggle.

I think they should keep him in the same role and just bring out my boy Ringo when Jackson gets hurt (which is a lot). They made 2 positions worse today.

Pickens would of destroyed ringo

Just now, Swoop said:

Someone else fits this description, too

I didn't realize all of those people were with Hurts at Alabama and Oklahoma. Dope.

12 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

You know the most annoying thing? All the Eagles problems were obvious and have been issues since week 1, yet most are still very fixable to some degree and we refuse to do anything about it.

• We keep trotting out the corpse of Cam Jurgens. Toth hasn’t been a disaster at center. Why don’t they shut Jurgens down?

• Saquon isn’t hitting the hole. He’s dancing, he’s hesitating, he’s pressing. Bigsby gets in there and all of a sudden things don’t look as broken. Small sample size? Sure. But let’s call a spade a spade - Saquon is playing like 2015 DeMarco Murray right now. It’s not JUST the OL or Hurts not running. Why don’t they play Bigsby?

• Calcaterra and Granson can’t block, yet neither gets targets and Calcaterra plays almost half the snaps. Why don’t they run more 11 or play Latu/Jenkins at TE2?

• Patullo doesn’t know how to sequence plays. He (or someone else on the staff) clearly has SOME good ideas - we’ve seen some inventive plays this year. But he can’t call plays and he’s not getting better. Why is Patullo still calling plays?

• Dotson left bunch of yards on the field as a PR. Gipson was ALWAYS a disaster waiting to happen. Covey is on the damn PS. Why isn’t Covey returning punts?

These things aren’t complicated. Even now, yes even replacing the play caller with someone else on the staff, they are very doable. And yet, we’re gonna spend all week pretending like all the players suck on the most expensive offense in the NFL.

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