1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Didn’t the leak about Patricia come out a month later?

I think news came out around the SF game. I could be wrong but j think they made the switch after the bye week

35 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Got to imagine Epps is starting next week over brown. Unless blank and kuba are both out.

Epps is on ir

Just now, tuffstuff07 said:

Epps is on ir

Yeah leanmean already informed me of he’s not eligible to come back.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I feel for DeJean. That’s a rough set of receivers to have to cover when you’re getting yo-yo’d between the slot and outside. He’s a helluva player, but he’s not at that level where he should be able to expect to hold up well under those circumstances.

Yup. Dejean is an elite football player. He does it all. And he moves around the field like a missile. And he’s really good in coverage (kind of his most important job). But he’s not as good of a pure coverage guy as Mitchell or some of the elite true island outside CBs. He’s still really good in that role and can probably get better at it, but that’s also taking something away from his game when you give him tougher coverage assignments and don’t slow him to mix it up in the slot and blow some stuff up at the line.

The problem is it’s not just sequencing plays, it’s the general plays that are used. Those plays are funneled in by the rest of the coaching staff. Those guys divvy up responsibility on third down plays, red zone, 2 minute, run game, etc. We could fire Patullo, who seems to have a big issue with sequencing, but the next OC is still picking plays from the same menu. The only guy doing a good job right now is the guy in charge of red zone. Everyone else sucks.

Offensively, something has to give. They fell asleep after going up 21-0 and stunk for the next 3-4 drives. Way too many penalties and boneheaded plays. Fielding a punt at your one-yard line is bad even for high school football. Benchable offense, even if he hadn’t gotten injured. Playing in a climate controlled environment with no wind — you’re taught to stand on the 5-yard line and not field ANYTHING over your head. You feign as though you’re trying to catch the punt to draw the coverage team to you, and not the ball they’re trying to down outside the goal line. Really dumb football player.

Sydney Brown is tough to watch out there. Just too out of control and undisciplined in his playing style.

This isn’t 2024 anymore. Go to a RB tandem in the first half and give Bigsby more touches. He has more juice right now. Give Barkley the touches in the passing game. A two-RB approach would pay dividends, IMO.

The sack Hurts took was really bad. Not gonna crucify him for it because I think it was the only one of the game, but everything has to speed up on a crucial third down like that. 4th and 2 they likely still have a chance to go for it; taking the sack there was death.

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The problem is it’s not just sequencing plays, it’s the general plays that are used. Those plays are funneled in by the rest of the coaching staff. Those guys divvy up responsibility on third down plays, red zone, 2 minute, run game, etc. We could fire Patullo, who seems to have a big issue with sequencing, but the next OC is still picking plays from the same menu. The only guy doing a good job right now is the guy in charge of red zone. Everyone else sucks.

Could’ve said the same thing about Steichen vs Sirianni in 2021

Not sure if there should be long term concern for Jurgens. Hard to tell how much of an issue with him is the back this season or the knee. We still don't know what type of surgery he got on his back, all they said was surgery to remove pressure on the nerve, which sounds like a bulging disc, but who knows. They signed him to an extension so they obviously had little concern and I heard doctors say his long term prognosis is good. Hard to say if the back is still an issue or if it's just the fact that he seems to be hurt every week by something else. But he's really hurting them.

One of the fixes the Eagles can make going forward that doesn't involve coaching is start playing the guys who give you the best chance to win every week and stop playing favorites or playing guys just because of how much you're paying them. Because they clearly have done the latter two all season.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I didn’t think he would come back after that shot to the ribs from SB

The scary part is the offensive issues really started on the 2nd drive and the Eagles got away with a RTK that wasn’t.

1st down, -1 rush

2nd down, False Start

2nd down again, 2 yard rush

3rd down 4 yard pass to Darius Cooper for some reason

Just now, Saltpeter said:

Could’ve said the same thing about Steichen vs Sirianni in 2021

I won’t pretend to have an exact perfect memory of that season, but a big issue was how pass heavy we were and it made no sense with Hurts at that point in his career. Sirianni was a first year HC who also hadn’t called plays. He’s frankly was over his skis. Steichen had experience as a play caller, and turns out he’s damn good at it.

7 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

Do you understand what I am saying? That means sirianni has not self awareness for his weaknesses as a play caller for hurts and this offense. If sirianni is unable to come up with an offensive game plan that suits the strengths of hurts then he should stick to experienced coordinators that can. Do you not see the pattern? Can you at least acknowledge he made the same mistake he made in 2023? But it’s also on FO for allowing him to do it again.

I get what you're saying, but I don't agree with how you're saying it. It's Hurts and Sirianni's weakness to be mutually beneficial to each other from a schematic perspective.

However, to me, that's not worth us debating. Instead, operating in good faith on the rest, that means we need to talk about candidates. Part of why we were able to get Kellen Moore was because we were in the game very early. (IE: Not coming off another Super Bowl berth).

In my opinion, Sirianni's logic is actually correct - one of the limiting facets of the Eagles offense is the offensive coordinator turnover, and wanting to get some sort of offensive consistency for Hurts is actually the right kind of idea. However, the way he tried to do it was wrong. If you want to have candidates who aren't pretty old (which is a good solution), and they're so into young candidates (Eagles have joined the Sean McVay mold offense type hunt), then the way you provide offensive consistency is by overpacking.

You want to snap up as many people who are experienced fired offensive minds as you can, especially with OC experience before, and stuff your staff with them, so you always have backup options and plans of succession. This is actually pretty challenging to get right, but I think that's the only viable way right now. So in short, I think his mistake was actually made BEFORE the Super Bowl, rather than the hire itself. I feel like the reason it went poorly is because a succession plan wasn't created prior.

Hiring from within makes sense in that situation, but you need to make sure that your hire from within is a plan of succession with the idea that you probably will be LOSING the OC in mind. So if I'm the Eagles from now on, I want an option 1, and an option 2 (for next year if needed) already on the coaching staff.

Just now, ManuManu said:

I won’t pretend to have an exact perfect memory of that season, but a big issue was how pass heavy we were and it made no sense with Hurts at that point in his career. Sirianni was a first year HC who also hadn’t called plays. He’s frankly was over his skis. Steichen had experience as a play caller, and turns out he’s damn good at it.

Tbh this is why I’d at least see if loeffler can do play calling. He’s done it in the past so he has some experience. I’m not expecting miracles but at this point I’m over patullo doing it (granted their penalties were a massive issue today)

Nate Tice: The Cowboys defense held the Eagles offense to a rushing success rate of 18.8% today. That’s the lowest single game rushing success rate by an Eagles offense since week 2, 2015.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

The scary part is the offensive issues really started on the 2nd drive and the Eagles got away with a RTK that wasn’t.

1st down, -1 rush

2nd down, False Start

2nd down again, 2 yard rush

3rd down 4 yard pass to Darius Cooper for some reason

At least they took advantage of it though. You get the sense in that 2nd half that the Cowboys could have given them the ball on the +20 yard line and they'd somehow find a way to end that drive with no points. Whether it's multiple holding penalties in a row or tackles for losses. And there have been several games this season where we've all felt that way. That the game could go 6 quarters and they'd still not find a way into the end zone again. They just look listless and helpless. But they definitely benefit from that penalty. They also got the ball into the hands of their playmakers in positions to make plays.

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

I get what you're saying, but I don't agree with how you're saying it. It's Hurts and Sirianni's weakness to be mutually beneficial to each other from a schematic perspective.

However, to me, that's not worth us debating. Instead, operating in good faith on the rest, that means we need to talk about candidates. Part of why we were able to get Kellen Moore was because we were in the game very early. (IE: Not coming off another Super Bowl berth).

In my opinion, Sirianni's logic is actually correct - one of the limiting facets of the Eagles offense is the offensive coordinator turnover, and wanting to get some sort of offensive consistency for Hurts is actually the right kind of idea. However, the way he tried to do it was wrong. If you want to have candidates who aren't pretty old (which is a good solution), and they're so into young candidates (Eagles have joined the Sean McVay mold offense type hunt), then the way you provide offensive consistency is by overpacking.

You want to snap up as many people who are experienced fired offensive minds as you can, especially with OC experience before, and stuff your staff with them, so you always have backup options and plans of succession. This is actually pretty challenging to get right, but I think that's the only viable way right now. So in short, I think his mistake was actually made BEFORE the Super Bowl, rather than the hire itself. I feel like the reason it went poorly is because a succession plan wasn't created prior.

Hiring from within makes sense in that situation, but you need to make sure that your hire from within is a plan of succession with the idea that you probably will be LOSING the OC in mind. So if I'm the Eagles from now on, I want an option 1, and an option 2 (for next year if needed) already on the coaching staff.

You’re still stuck on him not picking hurts to be the qb. But not acknowledging how unprepared this team is and his bonehead decisions from bigsby to game management.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I won’t pretend to have an exact perfect memory of that season, but a big issue was how pass heavy we were and it made no sense with Hurts at that point in his career. Sirianni was a first year HC who also hadn’t called plays. He’s frankly was over his skis. Steichen had experience as a play caller, and turns out he’s damn good at it.

Definitely seeing some parallels here, but won’t pretend to know how either Loeffler or Frazier are as play callers. But sticking with Patullo is insanity

Just now, ManuManu said:

Nate Tice: The Cowboys defense held the Eagles offense to a rushing success rate of 18.8% today. That’s the lowest single game rushing success rate by an Eagles offense since week 2, 2015.

Wow my Demarco Murray comparison is looking better by the second.

I had forgotten about that Cam Jurgens "head turned too quickly” false start. My goodness.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The problem is it’s not just sequencing plays, it’s the general plays that are used. Those plays are funneled in by the rest of the coaching staff. Those guys divvy up responsibility on third down plays, red zone, 2 minute, run game, etc. We could fire Patullo, who seems to have a big issue with sequencing, but the next OC is still picking plays from the same menu. The only guy doing a good job right now is the guy in charge of red zone. Everyone else sucks.

I actually don’t think parts of the "menu” are necessarily that bad. There have been flashes this year whether in the first quarter today, the second half against the Rams, and the Minnesota game where this has looked like an efficient unit. The penalties absolutely killed them today and the first down runs into the line of scrimmage were useless. But there is something there to work with if you get the right person in there who knows how to string together plays.

The most maddening part of the offense is how they go into a shell after a penalty or negative play. 2nd and 15 is a death sentence for this offense compared to how Dallas had a 2nd and 25 and scored in two plays.

1 minute ago, pisceschica said:

You’re still stuck on him not picking hurts to be the qb. But not acknowledging how unprepared this team is and his bonehead decisions from bigsby to game management.

What I find funny with Siriani is his core values don’t align with how this team plays every week. There are so many dumb penalties every single week. Just beyond stupid penalties. Like how many times do I have to watch Special teams commit four penalties on 7 punts? It is every week. At some point in time either you’re bullshitting us with what your core values are or they’re not getting through to your players which is a coaching problem.

Just now, pisceschica said:

You’re still stuck on him not picking hurts to be the qb. But not acknowledging how unprepared this team is and his bonehead decisions from bigsby to game management.

I answered what I quoted with a full and well thought out post to the best of my ability? At least in that post I replied to I don't think I missed anything?

Or are you just changing the topic? And I did answer your stuff about Bigsby and all, I answered that in the post before!

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I had forgotten about that Cam Jurgens "head turned too quickly” false start. My goodness.

Talk about literally looking to call a penalty . The refs had a agenda this game.

1 minute ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

I actually don’t think parts of the "menu” are necessarily that bad. There have been flashes this year whether in the first quarter today, the second half against the Rams, and the Minnesota game where this has looked like an efficient unit. The penalties absolutely killed them today and the first down runs into the line of scrimmage were useless. But there is something there to work with if you get the right person in there who knows how to string together plays.

The most maddening part of the offense is how they go into a shell after a penalty or negative play. 2nd and 15 is a death sentence for this offense compared to how Dallas had a 2nd and 25 and scored in two plays.

The going into a shell thing is Sirianni IMO. Another reason changing the OC isn’t a magic elixir.