When Vagianni and Puntullo do that linking arms thing like they just made a game winning touchdown, it really makes me mad. We should be scoring a lot more touchdowns and then maybe it won’t be as shocking. What a waste of a defense for this year.

Well, that was just horrible. Sorry if some of this is repetitive, but I couldn't stomach reading the blog (or anything about that game) last night. All in all, I am worried this is going to rip this team apart - I'm not sure how they come back from that. And more of it was on the players than on the play calling.

OFFENSE

• Overall, we really managed to completely sabotage ourselves after the first three drives (2nd one aided by Dallas penalties). 4th drive: we get to 3rd and 2, there's a phantom false start called on Cam for turning his head, incomplete and punt. 5th drive: end of half. 6th drive: 2nd and 2, we hit a 20 yard pass to DG but called back because Pryor doesn't line up correctly, 2 incompletions and a punt. 6th and 7th drives: one first down, no penalties. 8th drive: get 2 first downs, then phantom OPI on Smith and false start on AJ gets us to 1st and 25, miss FG after getting 20 of it back. 9th drive: Pass to Smitty to the DAL 12 called back on Fred's hands to the face, fumble on next play. 10th drive: Patullo calls all curl routes on 3rd and 2. We basically had 6 drives after the opening 3 TDs, and 3 were killed by penalties, 2 just didn't work, and Patullo wasted the last.

• Hurts wasn't bad in this game, far from it. He was on fire at first, and he still made plays later in the game (but the penalties killed us). Dallas was also getting a ton of pressure on him. But on the list of reasons we lost this game, he's not even in the top 10.

• The offensive line simply can't run block, I concede that. But we have to start worrying about SB. Bigsby looks better every time he is in there. Tank should be getting 5-8 carries a game, not 2-3. But our inability to run the ball is the biggest issue on this offense. It's time for Stoutland to feel some heat.

• AJ and Smitty both played well -- AJ had a couple mistakes (no TD, false start), but that OPI call on Smitty was BS. They both did well finding holes in the zone and Jalen hit them. No real complaints with them or DG.

• As said above, the offensive line is a serious problem. Jurgens really can't play right now -- as scary as it is, Toth is an upgrade. Dickerson is a shell of himself again, and Mailata is up and down. Somehow Steen may be our best lineman right now.

DEFENSE

• We couldn't get home against Dak all day. Phillips was invisible. And frankly the line got pushed around by the Dallas offensive line, which isn't very good. But the lack of pass rush was the most concerning part of this game.

• Dean really is playing out of his mind. Sucks for Campbell, but Dean can't come off the field.

• Baun was good, but man you gotta catch that pick.

• The secondary went to hell once Reed went out. I have no clue who is playing safety on Friday. Brown and Sam?

• I can't believe I'm saying this, but losing Adoree really hurt. Coop isn't ready to be an outside CB (maybe with more reps and practice). Is Bennett that useless that Carter and Ringo saw snaps before him??

Stoutland U has been de-credited and is now Stoutland Community College. 🫣

Is Michael Clay good?

Every time I start to think he is, something incredibly stupid and bad happens. Some of it is on the players but we also have seen just the dumbest boneheaded things coaching should have straightened out in rookie minicamps.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Some of us have been calling for him to be relinquished of his duties for awhile now. But we were also told to stop complaining while the team is winning

I’ve said they should go to loeffler at the bye. Winning games masks what your problems truly are. Frankly we had problems in the passing game last year but we managed to avoid a game like Dallas and Denver most of the season due to the running game and avoid it in the playoffs. Particularly rams game.

I don’t think they are going to do it. Imo they probably look back to Patricia experience in 2023 and think it’ll implode and they’ll collapse if they do. Tbh i think that situation the collapse was going to happen either way after how they lost to SF and Dallas. Their defense that year lacked talent along with coaching.

Imo and I’ve said this in the past, sirianni reminds me of a more conservative Doug. By that I mean, he is great at getting the team to fight hard, keep the team together even with all the outside orders and you can win games with him when you have talent with a good OC. The issue is like Doug, the offense became stale (this was talked about ad nauseam in 2019 and 2020, they aren’t very innovative and his OC choices when given the chance to hire guys have been bad. I said this when Doug got fired and his last year in 2019. When you watch the offense and how they use personnel, it didn’t match what players did well. To Doug’s Credit in 2019, he actually figured out how to use his personnel after that Miami game and they looked a lot better. Granted, some of that was the competition they faced the last month of the season.

The issue to me is at some point in time the talent isn’t good to be the best in the league, which means sirianni is going to have to be better at his Xs and Os and innovative with his offense in his designing and scheming. like Doug when he went to Jacksonville and his last couple years and Philadelphia, he just wasn’t great at it. So if you keep sirianni, you really need a good OC. Imo if you find that OC likely losing him to a HC job because if he gets the offense to function at a high level another organization probably views him as the guy that got it back on track and functioning like we thought.

I think the whole aggressiveness perception is mostly that we came out pass heavy to start and we scored (thanks to a bad roughing the punter penalty as well). We worked in a couple of pop passes to Gipson and Smith, which are smart but hardly aggressive. We ran a slant to Brown and took a couple of deep shots to Smith. Those are normal things for us. We love taking deep shots.

The real difference was pass heavy to start (we were pass heavy in the second half too), a couple of fun plays on the pop passes and we didn’t screw up drives with penalties.

14 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Are you sure there weren’t aggressive calls? The other team has a say in whether a play call can be run as drawn up.

10 minutes ago, NCiggles said:

My guess is that some of them may have been "aggressive." The bigger issue is the predictability. If you are sending AJ on a go route it's not aggressive if the defense knows it's coming. It's just hubris and stupidity.

I sort of equivocated creativity with aggression. This offense has no creativity to it. It's vanilla and predictable. It inspires no confidence from the fans, and creates no fear in the opponents.

12 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

Why does it take Puntullo so long to get the play into Hurts? He has 5 plays to choose from, what takes him so long? Barely get the playoff every snap. Certainly no time to audible or shift linemen to the right gap.

Eeny, meeny takes a while.

29 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Didn't we just give Nick a new contract for $10 million a year? He is staying, but he can no longer be allowed to hire any offensive coaches.

Honestly, hire chip as a consultant and maybe we’ll sprinkle in some failed outside zone runs to counter the inside.

7 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

When Vagianni and Puntullo do that linking arms thing like they just made a game winning touchdown, it really makes me mad. We should be scoring a lot more touchdowns and then maybe it won’t be as shocking. What a waste of a defense for this year.

I hate it when they do that too

Sirianni needs an OC that he has zero connection with him and his crappy schemes

Thats why Kellen Moore was so good because he had his own ideas and schemes, Patullo is just doing whatever Siri wants

When Patullo gets fired they need not only bring in an OC with fresh ideas and no connection to Siri but they also need to remove Siri from offensive game planning and scheming.

His offensive schemes are vanilla, predictable and simple.

Your existence has absolutely nothing to do with how poorly this team played yesterday. Some of you need to realize this.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I think the whole aggressiveness perception is mostly that we came out pass heavy to start and we scored (thanks to a bad roughing the punter penalty as well). We worked in a couple of pop passes to Gipson and Smith, which are smart but hardly aggressive. We ran a slant to Brown and took a couple of deep shots to Smith. Those are normal things for us. We love taking deep shots.

The real difference was pass heavy to start (we were pass heavy in the second half too), a couple of fun plays on the pop passes and we didn’t screw up drives with penalties.

I don’t think they were more aggressive. I think they found that they could throw on Dallas and they weren’t gonna be able to run. Imo I think they knew Dallas would to something to unique (i find what Dickerson said as kind of BS after hearing hurts) make eagles have to throw and that’s why they came out passing the ball.

To me the bigger issue is what we talked about yesterday, the offense was functioning at a high level when they were going to AJ Brown and Smith. As soon as the eagles stopped going to AJ Brown in the second and third quarter (1 target), what happened? They bogged down and went into a funk they couldn’t get out of. This is not a one-year problem though. This goes back to last year and even 2023. I know cause i complained about it then too. There’s far too many times the eagles refuse to just keep going back to the AJ Brown well and he vanishes for a long period of time.

can say Dallas made adjustments but they really didn’t. Go look at the 4th quarter, the eagles started throwing AJ Brown again. He had three targets for 13 yards, 19 yards at 11. Even the last 2 possessions he should’ve gotten more than 2 total targets compared to the combined 4 saquon and cooper had. last 2 possessions smith and brown combined for 4 catches for 50 yards. The Cowboys legitimately had no answer for those two and it was there all game. We just went away from it for large stretches which had been the eagles MO for two years now in the passing game. I know cause I’ve brought this up multiple times last year

13 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Is Michael Clay good?

Every time I start to think he is, something incredibly stupid and bad happens. Some of it is on the players but we also have seen just the dumbest boneheaded things coaching should have straightened out in rookie minicamps.

Gipson wasn't here for minicamps. 🤷‍♂️

1 hour ago, Saltpeter said:

I know it’s easy to put Dickerson and Jurgens in the same category, but I’ve at least seen glimpses of the old Dickerson. Jurgens is a shell of himself

Maybe Drew Kendall being drafted was done as an insurance plan if Jurgens isn’t ever his old self. I’m really intrigued by him at center.

2 hours ago, Connecticut Eagle said:

If you didn't watch the game and I told you it was a three point loss after 14 penalties, 2 giveaways, missed FG, with no Lane Johnson, against a division opponent on the road, all despite Hurts throwing for 289 yards, how would you feel?

It's not that they lost, it's how they lost. Same thing with the Broncos game.

Expectations are high, but I personally don't expect them to win a second consecutive super bowl. It's hard, that's why it's rarely done. HOWEVER I do expect them to look like a professional Fing football team, which they don't because of the offense ran by a high school level coach. With this roster, they should be getting at least a playoff win to the divisional round. Right now they're looking like a first round exit which is absolutely unacceptable.

14 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ve said they should go to loeffler at the bye. Winning games masks what your problems truly are. Frankly we had problems in the passing game last year but we managed to avoid a game like Dallas and Denver most of the season due to the running game and avoid it in the playoffs. Particularly rams game.

I don’t think they are going to do it. Imo they probably look back to Patricia experience in 2023 and think it’ll implode and they’ll collapse if they do. Tbh i think that situation the collapse was going to happen either way after how they lost to SF and Dallas. Their defense that year lacked talent along with coaching.

Imo and I’ve said this in the past, sirianni reminds me of a more conservative Doug. By that I mean, he is great at getting the team to fight hard, keep the team together even with all the outside orders and you can win games with him when you have talent with a good OC. The issue is like Doug, the offense became stale (this was talked about ad nauseam in 2019 and 2020, they aren’t very innovative and his OC choices when given the chance to hire guys have been bad. I said this when Doug got fired and his last year in 2019. When you watch the offense and how they use personnel, it didn’t match what players did well. To Doug’s Credit in 2019, he actually figured out how to use his personnel after that Miami game and they looked a lot better. Granted, some of that was the competition they faced the last month of the season.

The issue to me is at some point in time the talent isn’t good to be the best in the league, which means sirianni is going to have to be better at his Xs and Os and innovative with his offense in his designing and scheming. like Doug when he went to Jacksonville and his last couple years and Philadelphia, he just wasn’t great at it. So if you keep sirianni, you really need a good OC. Imo if you find that OC likely losing him to a HC job because if he gets the offense to function at a high level another organization probably views him as the guy that got it back on track and functioning like we thought.

I think loeffler probably has better play calling chops but if Siri still has his fingers all over the game plan it wont matter.☹️

3 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I hate it when they do that two.

Sirianni needs an OC that he has zero connection with him and his crappy schemes

Thats why Kellen Moore was so good because he had his own ideas and schemes, Patullo is just doing whatever Siri wants

When Patullo gets fired they need not only bring in an OC with fresh ideas and no connection to Siri but they also need to remove Siri from offensive game planning and scheming.

His offensive schemes are vanilla, predictable and simple.

It’s gotten to the point where Siri is now liable. His coaching tenure with us should be on the line. If they lose in 2nd/3rd round of the playoffs, which it’s looking like, and he didn’t make the switch during the bye week, that’s all on him.

20 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

The TPs lower his average, but to your point Jalen's looking sluggish getting to the edge.

He's been slow to the edge for 3 years, it's not new. He's only fast when he's running north south, if he has to go laterally he might as well not run

6 minutes ago, Utebird said:

I hate it when they do that two.

Sirianni needs an OC that he has zero connection with him and his crappy schemes

Thats why Kellen Moore was so good because he had his own ideas and schemes, Patullo is just doing whatever Siri wants

When Patullo gets fired they need not only bring in an OC with fresh ideas and no connection to Siri but they also need to remove Siri from offensive game planning and scheming.

His offensive schemes are vanilla, predictable and simple.

It was a huge mistake to promote Siri's buddy to OC instead of bringing in an experienced professional from outside the organization like Darell Bevell or Bobby Slowik.

Yesterday was the first game Phillips was invisible since he's been here. Pass rush yesterday was low key one of the worst aspects of the team.

Give Tank the bulk of the carries Friday and see what happens. When the media asks afterwards just say you wanted to take it easy on a short week with Barkley.

Just now, Arsenal79 said:

It was a huge mistake to promote Siri's buddy to OC instead of bringing in an experienced professional from outside the organization like Darell Bevell or Bobby Slowik.

They also had Frank Reich at the time sitting out their available. Seemed like the no brainer choice.

9 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

I sort of equivocated creativity with aggression. This offense has no creativity to it. It's vanilla and predictable. It inspires no confidence from the fans, and creates no fear in the opponents.

yup. It is not innovative or cutting edge. It’s als stale and the route concepts most weeks don’t make sense to what they are seeing. It’s like we are gonna run it as it’s my offense and our talent is going to make it work.

Imo it kind reminds of 2019 offense but with more talented cast of characters. Where how many times did we want Doug and the OC to use wentz on more roll outs as his numbers were crazy good. The analytics said get him outside of the pocket and he was very good. But from September all the way to the dolphins games they just refused to do it more.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Yesterday was the first game Phillips was invisible since he's been here. Pass rush yesterday was low key one of the worst aspects of the team.

The refs decided to let dem boyz hold, clutch and grab all game. Home cookin'.

8 minutes ago, devpool said:

It's not that they lost, it's how they lost. Same thing with the Broncos game.

Expectations are high, but I personally don't expect them to win a second consecutive super bowl. It's hard, that's why it's rarely done. HOWEVER I do expect them to look like a professional Fing football team, which they don't because of the offense ran by a high school level coach. With this roster, they should be getting at least a playoff win to the divisional round. Right now they're looking like a first round exit which is absolutely unacceptable.

I'm not sure I'd want Patullo calling the offense for my local HS either.