The best thing to happen for meaningful change on offense is to collapse like 2023. It's obvious they aren't doing a thing this year, so why not hope for that. This defense can't be wasted, already have wasted one year.

21 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

They’re not going to change anything

Patullo and Sirianni meeting with Howie.

8 minutes ago, jojodancer said:

Can find a number 2 in draft.

You probably can but what quality in the 3rd rd? The first two picks need to be OL and CB (boundary). '26 class does have quite a few wrs but once you get past the first 5 to 8 wrs the talent drop is big enough that you would be better off keeping a talented player already on the roster imo. AJ looked great last night, granted it was against DAL struggling secondary but he showed some good speed and quickness, get the guy the ball and he gets yards. Developing receivers is not any easy task in the NFL, there are a few dark horses that come along every once in a while that are just ready, but why give up on a player that you have under contract for an unknown? Smitty would also see a lot of extra coverage if that happens. You may be right, but what if you're wrong and you have given up on a known top asset?

6 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

You are right. But he’s literally getting hit 54% of the time behind the LOS. I wonder if there’s a stat that shows contact in general bec we all see they are hitting him almost at the LOS every time. There’s just no where to go inside and our OC continues to run him up the middle the majority of the time

Maybe Tank gets out the backfield quicker and is better at moving piles or falling forward. Even Ship might offer more when they empty the backfield as a receiver, or as a pass blocker - or manufactured runs via short pass. The thing is, you can experiment with RB2 w/o rocking the boat much. Can we move the needle from historically bad to just not good? I’m pretty much done counting on the OL to figure it out after 2/3 of the season. They’re a weakness that needs to be schemed around at this point.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Last year Passing game could afford to just be minimized, just efficient and even some games bad due to the historic run game. Add on fangio had that defense playing at an elite level.

Imo they need to come to the reality it’s not 2024 and it’s unlikely after 12 weeks they you are able to be the run first team you want. It has to become more pass oriented in order to get yourself into more manageable 2nd and 3rd situations. I though BLG and Sheil explained it really well in the podcast today.

Merely being pass oriented isn't the answer. It needs to be a creative passing attack, one that schemes open receivers, not that merely relies on 50-50 balls for the big boys.

3 minutes ago, GoEagles5921 said:

The best thing to happen for meaningful change on offense is to collapse like 2023. It's obvious they aren't doing a thing this year, so why not hope for that. This defense can't be wasted, already have wasted one year.

I hear ya but we’re 8-3. We haven’t wasted the year just yet. It’ll be a waste if we’re one and done come playoffs

Just now, Waiting4Someday said:

Maybe Tank gets out the backfield quicker and is better at moving piles or falling forward. Even Ship might offer more when they empty the backfield as a receiver, or as a pass blocker - or manufactured runs via short pass. The thing is, you can experiment with RB2 w/o rocking the boat much. Can we move the needle from historically bad to just not good? I’m pretty much done counting on the OL to figure it out after 2/3 of the season. They’re a weakness that needs to be schemed around at this point.

Tank gets out of the backfield because the defense isn’t keying on tank. You think if he was the main player they were trying to stop he would get past the LOS? Doubtful. He’d be seeing the same running lanes Barkley is seeing

3 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Considering the head coach today said the following:

-Kevin did a great job calling plays

-It's not like us to have so many penalties (they are 26th worst in the league on the season)

-They weren't aware of the cowboys running so many 5 man fronts (they did it a ton the previous game)

It might be time to root for another 2023 implosion so Howie and Lurie wake up and realize he is a fraud and fire him. It's funny how there is a vocal minority who thinks the team wins in spite of the QB when they do win in spite of someone but it's the goofball head coach.

Listening and reading the transcripts of his presser today gives me no confidence that he nor the offensive staff is going to figure this out. At this point I’d take the rams over the eagles. Frankly everyone can say we own the rams but we all said the same thing about Tampa bay until Tampa bay came in here and shut us all up and closed the vet down. I watch the rams, their defense every week is getting better. Stafford is playing at a pretty elite level and their offense isn’t incorporating new formations and players are being maximized

2 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Merely being pass oriented isn't the answer. It needs to be a creative passing attack, one that schemes open receivers, not that merely relies on 50-50 balls for the big boys.

Don’t disagree. However they need to also get out of this world where running on 1st down is helping them. It’s not. That and their penalties are killing them and putting them in 2nd and 3rd and long. Imo i have less faith they’ll scheme the open. However with aj brown and smith we can at least make it more functional than what it looks like running on first down a majority of the time

1 minute ago, Eriv20 said:

I hear ya but we’re 8-3. We haven’t wasted the year just yet. It’ll be a waste if we’re one and done come playoffs

The road now goes through Los Angeles. I think that they are ready to beat these Eagles. Seems inevitable. Adams and Nacuah will eat Adoree's lunch. Just keeping it real. We have some fatal flaws and don't see how we hide them against close to elite teams. And have to play 4 games to win it all. With this banged up defense and offense spread thin.

1 minute ago, Eriv20 said:

Tank gets out of the backfield because the defense isn’t keying on tank. You think if he was the main player they were trying to stop he would get past the LOS? Doubtful. He’d be seeing the same running lanes Barkley is seeing

I wouldn’t mind testing the theory, not much to lose really.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Listening and reading the transcripts of his presser today gives me no confidence that he nor the offensive staff is going to figure this out. At this point I’d take the rams over the eagles. Frankly everyone can say we own the rams but we all said the same thing about Tampa bay until Tampa bay came in here and shut us all up and closed the vet down. I watch the rams, their defense every week is getting better. Stafford is playing at a pretty elite level and their offense isn’t incorporating new formations and players are being maximized

It's funny you brought up the Rams. My buddy and I were watching the game last night and there was a play where Puka went in motion, run between the T and G, and the came all the way across the formation and was WIDE OPEN and we both said at the same time "imagine a coach using our players like this on offense." Instead we get a HS offense with go routes, hitches, and slants and pretty much nothing else. I almost dropped dead yesterday when I saw them do a pop pass to Devonta.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree. However they need to also get out of this world where running on 1st down is helping them. It’s not. That and their penalties are killing them and putting them in 2nd and 3rd and long. Imo i have less faith they’ll scheme the open. However with aj brown and smith we can at least make it more functional than what it looks like.

Crazy idea... just come out in a 2 minute offense against the Bears. Don't huddle. Not once. You don't need to go fast the whole time like Chip Kelly, but just go into a NASCAR mindset. Get the play in fast and get to the line. Then, let the players do the rest. The coaches seem to be overthinking... hence the slow play calls coming in. Simplify the entire game plan.

8 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

Tank gets out of the backfield because the defense isn’t keying on tank. You think if he was the main player they were trying to stop he would get past the LOS? Doubtful. He’d be seeing the same running lanes Barkley is seeing

I'd be happy taking the 9-yard gains from Bigsby until the defense starts keying on him and adjust from there.

The glaring question is where was the pass rush yesterday? Thought we had conquered that issue with Phillips. Guyton knocked out as well during game. Middle of defense was soft against the run as well. Discouraging to say the least.

3 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Crazy idea... just come out in a 2 minute offense against the Bears. Don't huddle. Not once. You don't need to go fast the whole time like Chip Kelly, but just go into a NASCAR mindset. Get the play in fast and get to the line. Then, let the players do the rest. The coaches seem to be overthinking... hence the slow play calls coming in. Simplify the entire game plan.

Have you seen the final 2 minutes of halves and games for this offense? DON'T DO IT!!!

1 minute ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Crazy idea... just come out in a 2 minute offense against the Bears. Don't huddle. Not once. You don't need to go fast the whole time like Chip Kelly, but just go into a NASCAR mindset. Get the play in fast and get to the line. Then, let the players do the rest. The coaches seem to be overthinking... hence the slow play calls coming in. Simplify the entire game plan.

I’d love it. Agree the over thinking it and it’s why they have problems. I also don’t think they build on things either over a game or over course of a season.

That said i really just don’t think they have the right coaching in place on offense. I don’t see it as fixable this year. Frankly i said last year, i didn’t think being a historic rushing team again was sustainable. It’s such a hard way to win big every year and defenses adjust to it with an offseason. so the passing game and scheming had to be much better for 2025. Unfortunately it’s really not.

wow two seasons we were defending champions

3 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I'd be happy taking the 9-yard gains from Bigsby until the defense starts keying on him and adjust from there.

That's just silly, I would way rather watch Saquon hesitate, dance, and possibly slip en route to his usual 2-3 yard gains.

Why is Gipson still on the team?

2 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Have you seen the final 2 minutes of halves and games for this offense? DON'T DO IT!!!

I think we should shut down Jurgens and Dickerson for a few games. Let Toth and the couple of new guys play. Its obvious they're a liability with their health statuses and a break will do them good and get ready for the post season.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

It's funny you brought up the Rams. My buddy and I were watching the game last night and there was a play where Puka went in motion, run between the T and G, and the came all the way across the formation and was WIDE OPEN and we both said at the same time "imagine a coach using our players like this on offense." Instead we get a HS offense with go routes, hitches, and slants and pretty much nothing else. I almost dropped dead yesterday when I saw them do a pop pass to Devonta.

Yup. I feel like lurie has to be watching the talent we have on offense not being maximized and utilized properly and just being furious. Imo if the offense was coached as well as the defense then this team really doesn’t have much competition based off roster quality.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Why is Gipson still on the team?

Cause they are trying to see how much they can push the fan base after winning a SB until it explodes 

Impressive