7 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's 100% true. Now, tell me about why the passing game was also schizophrenic last year.

Partly because they were so dominant running the ball. There were games last year when Hurts and the passing game did really well and other games not so much. He's just not the type of QB that is going to throw it all over the field and throw it 40-50 times. They had an identity last year and that was their O-line and running the ball. This year they have no identity.

1 hour ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Would have been better to just let him score and not injure your teammate

Was screaming to just let him score. Pickens is a diva, he was never going down before the end zone. Brown is such a Fing stupid football player it truly baffles me that he's even allowed to be on the field

6 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

That's 100% true. Now, tell me about why the passing game was also schizophrenic last year.

Yup. The passing game should’ve been significantly better than it was last year considering how great Saquon and the run game was. They weren’t consistent all year. Flashes of greatness and they were highly efficient in games but never truly as dynamic as they probably should’ve been considering the advantage the historic running attack gave them.

I give the 2024 coaching staff credit, because when they saw Saquon was historic running the ball and how great the run blocking was, they stuck with it and leaned into it. When they were in games and it was rolling, they didn’t deviate away from it. They leaned into it even more and dared teams to figure out a way to stop it. If they slowed it down (stopped it like SB) then the eagles began looking for other ways. Yesterday in the 1st quarter, Aj brown was top 5 WR mode. Dallas couldn’t stop him. They didn’t have answers for him in the 1st quarter nor 4th quarter outside of a 3rd and 2. Meanwhile Aj dominated the first quarter only to disappear from the offense until the 4th.

2 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Would have been better to just let him score and not injure your teammate

I’m sure that’s what browns intentions were 🙄

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Partly because they were so dominant running the ball. There were games last year when Hurts and the passing game did really well and other games not so much. He's just not the type of QB that is going to throw it all over the field and throw it 40-50 times. They had an identity last year and that was their O-line and running the ball. This year they have no identity.

Agreed. But, last year there were complaints about the passing game too... and AJ got bent out of shape then too.

Doug was fired because he didn't want to get rid of Press Taylor.

If the same situation arises with Sirianni and Patullo, I dont see Nick repeating what Doug did. He'll let Patullo go if that's what Howie and Lurie want.

1 hour ago, 315Eagles said:

Jason Kelce is 100% correct and very little of us are acknowledging it.

The O-line is really struggling and not being able to run the ball is what is hurting the offense the most. Not Patullo, not Sirianni, not Hurts, not AJ. It's the O-line. Not being able to have any resemblance of a run game is killing everything. Just makes them much easier to defend. I find it hard to believe that a back as amazing as Saquon is struggling this much after rushing for 2K just last year. He didn't fall off like that in 1 season. It's the O-line.

If they can figure something out and get the run game going, it will open up everything for the offense. If not then they won't repeat. Simple as that.

I partially agree. The OL deterioration was the spark that got this fire going. But it’s deeper than that. An OL that can pass protect and not run block is not supposed to be the absolute death of an offense. We have an OC/HC that have completely failed to adjust and acknowledge that circumstances have changed. We have a qb who can excel with opportunistic low volume passing but who consistently cracks and looks like a fish out of water when you ask him to run a traditional volume passing offense to move off the stagnant running game.

So the OL has fallen off badly, but that had been drastically amplified due to the inadequacies of other areas.

1 minute ago, Eriv20 said:

I’m sure that’s what browns intentions were 🙄

Everything about that play was 100% on Carter. No idea what he was doing there; your guy is out in the flat while Quinyon’s guy is running a 6-8 yard slant. Why on earth would you try to get deeper to go outside around the CB?

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Doug was fired because he didn't want to get rid of Press Taylor.

If the same situation arises with Sirianni and Patullo, I dont see Nick repeating what Doug did. He'll let Patullo go if that's what Howie and Lurie want.

They’re not going to fire Patullo sitting at 8-3 with the division basically locked up. Nick already let Howie turf Brian Johnson and bring in an OC of the organization’s choosing when Kellen Moore came in. He’d happily do the same thing again after the season.

Play calling does need to change, though. There is more to the OC job than designing an offense; you have to have a knack for calling the right plays in the right moments. I’m typically not in favor of the head coach being the play caller because it compromises his ability to make decisions in the moment, but I think Nick has to bite the bullet and take the play calling at this point.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

I partially agree. The OL deterioration was the spark that got this fire going. But it’s deeper than that. An OL that can pass protect and not run block is not supposed to be the absolute death of an offense. We have an OC/HC that have completely failed to adjust and acknowledge that circumstances have changed. We have a qb who can excel with opportunistic low volume passing but who consistently cracks and looks like a fish out of water when you ask him to run a traditional volume passing offense to move off the stagnant running game.

So the OL has fallen off badly, but that had been drastically amplified due to the inadequacies of other areas.

I agree. I dont think Hurts is a volume passing QB. It's just not his game. Can he do it in stretches of a game? Sure. But if you ask him to drop back and pass 40-50 times a game and carry the offense because the run game isnt working, not sure that will work. To be fair there aren't many QBs that can go out and do that.

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Doug was fired because he didn't want to get rid of Press Taylor.

If the same situation arises with Sirianni and Patullo, I dont see Nick repeating what Doug did. He'll let Patullo go if that's what Howie and Lurie want.

If we are asking what Lurie truly wants, i think

Sheil and BLG nailed that today in pod. I think lurie was content on being run heavy in 2024 cause it was historic and it got them to a Lombardi trophy. Imo i don’t think he’s changed his core philosophy about passing the ball in this league that he learned from Andy.

11 minutes ago, Eriv20 said:

I’m sure that’s what browns intentions were 🙄

I’m saying the smarter strategic play is let him score and get the ball back with 30 seconds at that point instead of letting them run out the clock and kick the chip shot FG to win. It also would have been beneficial to do that because as an added benefit, Mukuba isn’t hurt. 🙄

44 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It was a consistent pattern before then. As in, before Patullo was OC.

Nah, not at all.

Jeff McLane on his podcast brought up something that I haven't really thought about and he said the Eagles having so many different OCs over the years has affected the offense because they have no core philosophy it's just a mish mash of like 4 different OCs that have each borrowed from one another to try to keep things consistent for Hurts, but also trying to tailor an offense to fit his skill set.

He also said he thinks the #1 reason the run offense is struggling is Jalen Hurts. He said teams simply don't respect him as a passer, it's why they use 5 man fronts against the Eagles so often, every team knows how to play the Eagles, they know exactly what's coming. He said he's not absolving Barkley or the OL either, but he said the rumblings coming out of Novacare from various reporters about them being unhappy with Hurts and the offense, he believes it's centered around this. And said he thought it was interesting that Dickerson chose last night to speak out about the 5 man fronts when Dickerson usually isn't a guy who speaks up about stuff.

12 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Doug was fired because he didn't want to get rid of Press Taylor.

If the same situation arises with Sirianni and Patullo, I dont see Nick repeating what Doug did. He'll let Patullo go if that's what Howie and Lurie want.

It’s hard to tell with Nick. He looks physically worse year over year the way Presidents do. I can see him doing what it takes to stay but I also can see him kinda being over all this at the same time.

2 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

They’re not going to fire Patullo sitting at 8-3 with the division basically locked up. Nick already let Howie turf Brian Johnson and bring in an OC of the organization’s choosing when Kellen Moore came in. He’d happily do the same thing again after the season.

Play calling does need to change, though. There is more to the OC job than designing an offense; you have to have a knack for calling the right plays in the right moments. I’m typically not in favor of the head coach being the play caller because it compromises his ability to make decisions in the moment, but I think Nick has to bite the bullet and take the play calling at this point.

No they won't fire Patullo now. But after the season they might especially if they get bounced in the 1st round and the offense continues to struggle.

I agree about the HC calling plays. It's not a necessity but he needs to have a good experienced play caller. Any good head coach will tell you they are only as good as the coaches they hire around them.

6 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said:

Nah, not at all.

Sorry, but you misremember.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Jeff McLane on his podcast brought up something that I haven't really thought about and he said the Eagles having so many different OCs over the years has affected the offense because they have no core philosophy it's just a mish mash of like 4 different OCs that have each borrowed from one another to try to keep things consistent for Hurts, but also trying to tailor an offense to fit his skill set.

He also said he thinks the #1 reason the run offense is struggling is Jalen Hurts. He said teams simply don't respect him as a passer, it's why they use 5 man fronts against the Eagles so often, every team knows how to play the Eagles, they know exactly what's coming. He said he's not absolving Barkley or the OL either, but he said the rumblings coming out of Novacare from various reporters about them being unhappy with Hurts and the offense, he believes it's centered around this. And said he thought it was interesting that Dickerson chose last night to speak out about the 5 man fronts when Dickerson usually isn't a guy who speaks up about stuff.

Interesting take by McLane. I’m sure he has a good source inside the eagles facility. As much as people hate the guy, he’s had some good scoops in the past with wentz, doug and some of the stuff with chip.

12 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

They’re not going to fire Patullo sitting at 8-3 with the division basically locked up. Nick already let Howie turf Brian Johnson and bring in an OC of the organization’s choosing when Kellen Moore came in. He’d happily do the same thing again after the season.

Play calling does need to change, though. There is more to the OC job than designing an offense; you have to have a knack for calling the right plays in the right moments. I’m typically not in favor of the head coach being the play caller because it compromises his ability to make decisions in the moment, but I think Nick has to bite the bullet and take the play calling at this point.

Tbh i think he should just give it to loeffler if hes removing play calling from patullo. He showed his first year it was too much for him and it was a struggle. At least loeffler has play calling experience at the college level. Worse case he is as bad as patullo. Best case he is solid and your offense sees an improvement in the play calling. Tbh i don’t think it’s going to make much difference. I’d love to be wrong though

3 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s hard to tell with Nick. He looks physically worse year over year the way Presidents do. I can see him doing what it takes to stay but I also can see him kinda being over all this at the same time.

He's got a good gig and they've won every year he and Hurts have been together.

They might not win a SB again this year but why stop when its possible they could come back and possibly win it in 2026 with some changes of course.

If they gave him an ultimatum, I think he will be fine with cutting Patullo loose. He probably won't like it but he'll get over it.

9 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

I agree. I dont think Hurts is a volume passing QB. It's just not his game. Can he do it in stretches of a game? Sure. But if you ask him to drop back and pass 40-50 times a game and carry the offense because the run game isnt working, not sure that will work. To be fair there aren't many QBs that can go out and do that.

If the plays are sensible unlike this offense I’m sure he can. Y’all have this 40 times a game number like that’s some testament of good qbing , never realizing how many screens and dump offs are included in this so-called "high volume”…the goal is to run the ball when you’re up big from throwing the ball. They failed to do that yesterday. Hurts passing is fine. Y’all act like he didn’t play in Oklahoma or something…or that he was second behind Joe burrow for a heismen, burrow had Jefferson and Chase.

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I find it very interesting that our last 3-4 OCs all have used the same passing tree concepts

I find it more interesting that you believe this to be true. If you actually watch more than a handful of plays from '22 and then this season back to back, and still come away thinking we're running the same "passing tree concepts" (whatever that means) then I'm not sure how well you're absorbing the information being presented to you.

1 hour ago, Joe Ball said:

I typically won’t argue calls, it doesn’t do any good to. He definitely was beat and started grabbing and he also grabbed a hold of the shoulder pad of the front side shoulder, in addition I don’t believe he ever got his head turned towards the ball either but I could be wrong about that. It was PI both ways, more egregious on Lamb but definitely PI on Cooper as well.

Switch the jerseys and you would want the call for Smith or Brown and there is nothing wrong with that.

And hopefully id be impartial enough to realize the WR had hands to the DBs face, which is a penalty

1 minute ago, D.WATSfromda757 said:

If the plays are sensible unlike this offense I’m sure he can. Y’all have this 40 times a game number like that’s some testament of good qbing , never realizing how many screens and dump offs are included in this so-called "high volume”…the goal is to run the ball when you’re up big from throwing the ball. They failed to do that yesterday. Hurts passing is fine. Y’all act like he didn’t play in Oklahoma or something…or that he was second behind Joe burrow for a heismen, burrow had Jefferson and Chase.

You're right. I should have thought about what he did 7 years ago in college.