Curious how much influence Howie & Lurie exert in times like these, and if they were to say anything what would that be? Or do they give space and let Nick coach?

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So is Dickerson a diva for calling out the coaching too?

Yes......trade him.

1 hour ago, garingovt2000 said:

This will probably sound stupid but I also wonder if Barkley has some kind of tell on his runs or letting the other team know it's a run. Like the way he surveys the field on runs vs passes. An announcer brought something like that up a few weeks ago. Kind of like a pitcher in baseball. Or the infamous knuckle play from Invincible

great scene.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

So Dickerson needs to complain next season to become a diva?

I think AJ would be excused if he had done it once in a reply to a question from a reporter, and vice versa I think Dickerson would be getting more flak if he'd called out others repeatedly in interviews and social media over a period of weeks.

Just now, Cochis_Calhoun said:

I think AJ would be excused if he had done it once in a reply to a question from a reporter, and vice versa I think Dickerson would be getting more flak if he'd called out others repeatedly in interviews and social media over a period of weeks.

So if he's repeatedly asked questions about the offense and says it's coaching (like AJ) then he'll be labeled a diva as well?

diva or not, they are both correct.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So if he's repeatedly asked questions about the offense and says it's coaching (like AJ) then he'll be labeled a diva as well?

That would appear to be the logical endpoint of what I said, do you need some sort of diagram or flowchart?

2 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

That would appear to be the logical endpoint of what I said, do you need some sort of diagram or flowchart?

Just wanted confirmation. Thanks.

14 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Curious how much influence Howie & Lurie exert in times like these, and if they were to say anything what would that be? Or do they give space and let Nick coach?

I think Howie is likely rather hands-on and does the talking for both of them. Lurie would dispatch Howie with the message in general terms -- although Lurie will walk around at practice as a reminder to everyone that he is involved.

I don't think you're going to see Patullo fired, but I think it's very possible they instruct Nick to take over play calling whether he likes it or not. I'd be surprised if Howie and Nick don't meet multiple times per week, and I'm sure the topic has come up.

5 minutes ago, Cochis_Calhoun said:

That would appear to be the logical endpoint of what I said, do you need some sort of diagram or flowchart?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Just wanted confirmation. Thanks.

no, no, let's see the flowchart.

As much as we all hate it, Nick can still refer back to the game and correctly say that we would have won it had we not turned the ball over.

There's no impetus, outside of fan reaction, to make sweeping changes right now. And as much as I despise what Patullo is doing, they could all bail themselves out of this mess if they simply clean up all the sloppy penalties.

If they could also stop being giant pusses at the end of halves that would also help, but beggars can't be choosers

19 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

So if he's repeatedly asked questions about the offense and says it's coaching (like AJ) then he'll be labeled a diva as well?

I believe you can't be labeled a diva until you make repeated cryptic posts on social media

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

As much as we all hate it, Nick can still refer back to the game and correctly say that we would have won it had we not turned the ball over.

There's no impetus, outside of fan reaction, to make sweeping changes right now. And as much as I despise what Patullo is doing, they could all bail themselves out of this mess if they simply clean up all the sloppy penalties.

If they could also stop being giant pusses at the end of halves that would also help, but beggars can't be choosers

It's been 10 weeks of consistent penalties, they were getting lucky with turnovers. They're an extremely undisciplined offense and it's finally catching up with them. The impetus to make changes is they've looked like crap on offense for 10 weeks, the only game they looked competent for an entire game was the second giants game.

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Sirianni: Kevin Patullo is the bestest coordinator ever!

Curious how Howie and Lurie are feeling about this season. Lurie has always wanted that passing powerhouse and Howie was able to get it. 2024 had a historic run game and a dominate defense that won the SB. So I imagine they were ok with the lack of resources used for that season

I wonder how they're feeling now. Maybe they're ok since we're 8-3 but that record may not change for the better

31 minutes ago, Alphagrand said:

I think Howie is likely rather hands-on and does the talking for both of them. Lurie would dispatch Howie with the message in general terms -- although Lurie will walk around at practice as a reminder to everyone that he is involved.

I don't think you're going to see Patullo fired, but I think it's very possible they instruct Nick to take over play calling whether he likes it or not. I'd be surprised if Howie and Nick don't meet multiple times per week, and I'm sure the topic has come up.

I really hope they're smarter than this, because if not, this could be a real pain. I think Nick is definitely a better playcaller than Patullo, but I'm not sure he's a better play caller for Hurts than Patullo. Guy called games like he had prime Phillip Rivers with how many pass plays he called LOL.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

so everybody that wants to sit jurgens and Dickerson is not gonna get it

Warriors with 1 leg puts your whole unit at a disadvantage .

The eagles dont need warriors they need football players...

1 hour ago, Mike030270 said:

So is Dickerson a diva for calling out the coaching too?

Dickerson should call himself out hes been horrible

2 hours ago, garingovt2000 said:

This will probably sound stupid but I also wonder if Barkley has some kind of tell on his runs or letting the other team know it's a run. Like the way he surveys the field on runs vs passes. An announcer brought something like that up a few weeks ago. Kind of like a pitcher in baseball. Or the infamous knuckle play from Invincible

I took my boys to see this in the theater when they were 7 & 11 years old and was coaching them in pee wee football. Awesome story. Hard to make a good sports movie without it being a little cheesy but they did a pretty good job with this one. I always thought Vermeil was a class act. Can’t believe he’s 89!

52 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Curious how much influence Howie & Lurie exert in times like these, and if they were to say anything what would that be? Or do they give space and let Nick coach?

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Curious how Howie and Lurie are feeling about this season. Lurie has always wanted that passing powerhouse and Howie was able to get it. 2024 had a historic run game and a dominate defense that won the SB. So I imagine they were ok with the lack of resources used for that season

I wonder how they're feeling now. Maybe they're ok since we're 8-3 but that record may not change for the better

In Doug's last 2 seasons they were highly involved during the offseason and there were reports of involvement/criticism during the season. Doug was tired of dealing with Howie/Lurie in a way that doesn't seem to be the case for Sirianni at this point. The whole report on the meeting about running the ball too much after the win in Green Bay in 2019 was from Doug. Then there was all of the criticism of Wentz that seemed to be both from the coaches and players. Sirianni has a better working relationship with Howie and Lurie at this point. He has not tried to assert control or the roster. To Sirianni's credit, he has typically been willing to change his approach when what he is trying isn't working. In 2023, Howie/Lurie did not intervene during the season. The Desai decision was Howie's. Sirianni hired Patricia. I also believe Howie and Lurie were on board with promoting Brian Johnson. I believe Sirianni and Howie/Lurie made the decision to move on from Brian Johnson. There was no pushback from Siranni on that decision. The defensive side was what everyone wanted in 2023. I think this season is different because Patullo came with Sirianni. He is someone that has a long-standing relationship with Sirianni. They let Sirianni make this pick. My guess is that Howie and Lurie do not trust Sirianni's or Patullo's explanations for the problems on offense. They have someone they are consulting with that they trust about the offensive issues The question is whether that person makes specific suggestions about changes and what Sirianni does with that information.

1 hour ago, NOTW said:

Curious how much influence Howie & Lurie exert in times like these, and if they were to say anything what would that be? Or do they give space and let Nick coach?

I suspect Howie is considering options right now but nothing will happen on a short week. If the O is terrible this week then I think some kind of change would be made

46 minutes ago, devpool said:

I believe you can't be labeled a diva until you make repeated cryptic posts on social media

Or play wr…most nfl wrs are divas.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I suspect Howie is considering options right now but nothing will happen on a short week. If the O is terrible this week then I think some kind of change would be made

Yup if the offense sucks again and the birds lose I imagine they make a change

If the O sucks and they win itll be more of the same, all that matters is winning blah blah blah ..

Part of me hopes the offense blows this next game and they lose so we can just see a change but then the birds really need this win for playoff standings if theyre still serious about contending

Big game for the future of the organization going forward

1 minute ago, Utebird said:

Yup if the offense sucks again and the birds lose I imagine they make a change

If the O sucks and they win itll be more of the same, all that matters is winning blah blah blah ..

Part of me hopes the offense blows this next game and they lose so we can just see a change but then the birds really need this win for playoff standings if theyre still serious about contending

Big game for the future of the organization going forward

I'm not sure what kind of change can even be made at this point. Loeffler calling plays seems like the biggest possibility and that's a bit of a long shot. Would they bring in a consultant like McCarthy or Pederson so late in the season?