1 minute ago, Texas Eagle said:

They’d play better if we had an offense

True. However the first half 25 mins of the game was largely on themselves. First series of the game bears marches down for a 6 min drive and we got a nice stop on 4th. Second drive was 5 mins for a TD . Then the third was just under 7 min drive for a field goal. Eagles offense had 2 possessions with 6 mins to go in the 1st half and we had a FG on one. Bears had nearly 18 mins of possession the first 25 mins of the game

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Lurie likes Hurts more than Nick much to the chagrin of many on this board

Both of these mofos can go...

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Lurie likes Hurts more than Nick much to the chagrin of many on this board

I think this is objectively one of the biggest problems we have.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Lol my default when we didn't make it was the Packers because of Rodgers. Packers lost me after bishing about the sneak. Next up was Lions

Maybe Bucs. I could stomach Rams I guess

I can't stand the bucs or the rams because I have 2 friends who are fans of those teams and they are absolutely insufferable when they're winning.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

I think Lurie likes Hurts more than Nick much to the chagrin of many on this board

Interesting thought considering Hurts technically goes against what Lurie wants

Lurie has always wanted that high powered offense and Hurts isn't going to give you that

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

The offense being lackluster is no excuse for the defense to give up over 200 yards rushing. They were getting gashed earlier in the game when fresh.

Teams are going to copy and try to run on the Eagles. Vic better make some adjustments.

Baun and Dean looked terrible today.

Just now, devpool said:

I can't stand the bucs or the rams because I have 2 friends who are fans of those teams and they are absolutely insufferable when they're winning.

Yea Rodgers was my default with the Packers because he was at least fun to watch. I may just root for AFC lol

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

True. However the first half 25 mins of the game was largely on themselves. First series of the game bears marches down for a 6 min drive and we got a nice stop on 4th. Second drive was 5 mins for a TD . Then the third was just under 7 min drive for a field goal. Eagles offense had 2 possessions with 6 mins to go in the 1st half and we had a FG on one. Bears had nearly 18 mins of possession the first 25 mins of the game

That’s good right?

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Lol my default when we didn't make it was the Packers because of Rodgers. Packers lost me after bishing about the sneak. Next up was Lions

Maybe Bucs. I could stomach Rams I guess

I don't really have any hatred for the Rams. They may not be my first choice after us, but they seem more ideal than any other realistic option in the NFC.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Siri says we’re close

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Fool's errand, he can't coach Hurts, that's why we're in this situation in the first place. Honestly, the biggest problem we have is that we are NEVER going to be able to tell whether the problem originates from Hurts, Nick, or literally just the two of them together. My money is on the two of them together. It's a bad marriage in which neither one of them is the problem, but the compatibility is horrible.

Schematically to be clear. They have similar competitive drive, but schematically they are oil and water. Nick needs guys that are a bit more traditional, Hurts is the opposite - in some ways a new breed of QB.

Doing this is pretty much just saying fire Nick.

It’s bad marriage where they’ve won a record percent of games for the franchise and have been to 2 Super Bowls and won one. I know no one wants to be rational now but that is still true

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

Interesting thought considering Hurts technically goes against what Lurie wants

Lurie has always wanted that high powered offense and Hurts isn't going to give you that

I think lurie wants a dual threat Qb. That is where the league was heading when hurts was selected. Lurie fancies himself as a guy who’s in on the trends and wants to be even innovative. Heck that’s what they thought Carson was going to be before his knee injury.

Just now, Mike030270 said:

Interesting thought considering Hurts technically goes against what Lurie wants

Lurie has always wanted that high powered offense and Hurts isn't going to give you that

100% correct, lurie I guess no longer cares as long as they win? Or because hurts turns it on in the CG and SB? Biggest problem is in order to get to those games you kind of have to be good in the earlier ones

I could actually see Howie and Lurie consulting people around the league about the offense like former coaches for example. If there are voices that they trust who would tell them to make changes, that a better offensive coordinator or quarterback would elevate this offense I think after seeing these last couple of games and this season almost anything is on the table.

I'm gonna have to find something to do with my sundays..

Pederson was here for 5 years.. isn't this Sirianni's 5th year? I wish they would just pick and x's and o's offensive guy. What's his purpose if he's not a good play caller/designer and can't have this team ready or fix glaring issues that continue to persist throughout season?!

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

I could actually see Howie and Lurie consulting people around the league about the offense like former coaches for example. If there are voices that they trust who would tell them to make changes, that a better offensive coordinator or quarterback would elevate this offense I think after seeing these last couple of games and this season almost anything is on the table.

DABOLL!!!!!!

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

That’s good right?

Love fangio and the defense but they also weren’t good today. Frankly they also had a chance to shut the door on Dallas and allowed them to score a TD to make it 21-7 and get the comeback going. Instead they allowed a 1st and 25 to become 7 points in 3 plays.

I’d add brown and Jackson being starters is also bad. I’d add our DTs besides Carter aren’t nearly good enough. Davis is solid not special. Ojomo is a rotational DT. They really could also use an upgrade at DT next year

8 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We are now entering from the collapse of 2023 til now where pass offense that he can’t consistently get itself working with amount of talent they have. We can say he needs a senior offensive assistant to be there in case this happens. But the reality is Jeffrey lurie doesn’t want that in his head coach. Lurie wants someone who’s innovated and creative as HC to bring that to the offense. He wants a head coach that when there’s a problem in the offense knows how to go about it and fix it.

we can say the problem is Jalen or not. I really am not gonna argue that point right now. But what I do know is that Nick Sirianni for the last two years has not been able to solve the riddle of fixing his pass offense to get it to be consistent. Regardless of whether or not Kellen Moore is here or if it’s Pattulo or if it was Brian Johnson if we really wanna go back to the end of 2023.

can keep hiring different coordinators. it will eventually not matter as the passing attack has been erratic for better part of 2 years. We’ve had 3 different OCs with 3 passing game issues. at some point in time, the head coach needs to go in there and fix the problem because it’s his offense. These are his designs and what he wants to do. The OC shouldn’t be saving his ass when problems become this big.

being a CEO coach is great until you can’t win big just being a CEO coach anymore. Ask Mike tomlin. He and patullo are getting exposed by other teams/coachint who are matching our talent by out-scheming them and also utilizing their talent/personnel better. The playing field becomes harder when the scheming becomes greater than your scheming, and the talent is almost there to be your equal.

And this does not absolve Jalen hurts. Because he has not been good since the bye week. Frankly, he’s look like he’s regressed back to what he was in 2021 as a passer.

No, you misunderstood what I'm saying. I'm not saying there needs to be a Senior Offensive Assistant to help with the passing game, I'm saying that if you run a CEO coach (which is fine), and have immense, repeat success (Super Bowl Berths), AND you have a target painted on you for OC plucking (Hurts and how the league sees his OCs), then you MUST have a built-in succession plan, or you WILL be a tick-tock team.

There is only one exception to this, and that's if you luck out by some team firing their entire staff, and so there are extra candidates on the market.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I think lurie wants a dual threat Qb. That is where the league was heading when hurts was selected. Lurie fancies himself as a guy who’s in on the trends and wants to be even innovative. Heck that’s what they thought Carson was going to be before his knee injury.

I disagree. I think he loved the Wentz pick because he was the pocket passer that had the arm and could run if need be. He just happened to break and shatter and became a dud mentally and physically

1 minute ago, devpool said:

100% correct, lurie I guess no longer cares as long as they win? Or because hurts turns it on in the CG and SB? Biggest problem is in order to get to those games you kind of have to be good in the earlier ones

Hurts has been able to turn it on in some big moments but in others he doesn't. One would say this was a big moment and he looked like trash. I don't doubt his drive to want to get better. He showed he'll fix himself. I just think he'd got a limit that technically Lurie wants to achieve. Though I'm sure if we win a lombardi with average to subpar QB play then he'll be happy either way. Lets be honest that the defense won the last SB

Jalen Hurts is like McDonald’s

If you rate McDonald’s hamburgers on any of the scales that define a quality hamburger, it’s going to rank very very poorly. Bun consistency, meat freshness, condiment quality, size, healthiness, sear, juiciness, whatever. McDonald’s does not make very good hamburgers; but what they do make is really good McDonald’s. It’s not really a hamburger as much as a weird meat sandwich they sell that tastes really good.

If you ask Jalen Hurts to run Matt Ryan’s offense or Philip Rivers’ offense or Drew Brees’ offense or even Dak Prescott’s offense, it’s probably gonna look like this. But if you ask Jalen to run what works for him, it’ll be cheesy and unconventional and sometimes even impractical… but it has worked, really well up until this year. Weird, poorly rated burgers are super popular for a reason.

Kevin Patullo just doesn’t understand what that is supposed to look like

15 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Played too many plays Sunday and Vic doesn’t rotate much. Once O went 3 and out a few times it became an avalanche

The run defense was consistently terrible. They had a nice fourth down stop once though.

3 minutes ago, pisceschica said:

I'm gonna have to find something to do with my sundays..

Pederson was here for 5 years.. isn't this Sirianni's 5th year? I wish they would just pick and x's and o's offensive guy. What's his purpose if he's not a good play caller/designer and can't have this team ready or fix glaring issues that continue to persist throughout season?!

I don't think there are many ceo HCs in the league but with Nicks resume.. I just don't think it's realistically possible that Lurie/Howie fire him even if that'd probably solve many problems

End of the day, this team is just not nearly talented enough. It has been largely overrerated by many on this board. It falls on the players. Kellen Moore was not some great offensive coordinator. He just had a loaded and healthy roster and they did what the Bears did today to the Eagles and gashed teams. To me it was obvious, once you let Becton go we are are no longer a smash mouth, road grading offensive line and the identity and mindset of the offense needed to change to a pass heavy offense, but it didn't. Still playing with the idea we are better than everyone and don't need to be imaginative or creative. No longer can physically dominate their opponents.

I think Sirianni is the biggest problem, but the Eagles are going to have to be bad for a few years for them to move off him. It's a frustrating situation. I just don't see what competitive advantage he brings to the table.