Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

Just now, UK Eagle said:

Had a great night out, watched the game on a speed watch. The O is a sloppy and arrogant mess. Sirianni can say no changes, but that O is the worst of both worlds. Basic and not executed well. It needs sending on a way trip to Mars.

Does the O side of the ball really want to win? I can honestly say, they don't at this moment. Need to stop living on what they did and realise what they have done The team general looks soft

100%.

Feels like a team that has given up. Also, they aren't very good at good football.

Sure, we will win the East, almost certainly, but so what? It isn't magically going to come together.

And this D may not be all that. Flashes sure, but today says they can't stop the run. Tired doesn't cut it as they got GASHED in the first few series. No one is that f'ing tired.

6 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

That wouldn’t make Patullo worth a damn as a coach. He’s been with Jalen for 5 years and has no idea how to call plays for him.

I agree for the most part, he's not good regardless, but I really think it'd do us a favor to figure out if the issue relates to a chemistry problem scheme wise between Nick's scheme family, and Jalen. If it is, then at least we know our options going forward.

1 minute ago, Casey @ Bat said:

I mean he’s right … him and Patullo are the problem

There's no and its solely sirianni. He hired him and he should've been fired a long time ago. Clearly he didn't learn from 2023.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

It actually is about 1 person, it’s just that person is a player, not a coach.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

And this is why the FO needs to have a serious conversation about Sirianni's future. This is not the response a leader should have at this particular moment in time. This loss because of the overall team failure is very much about Nick this week. As a leader, he can't come across as delusional or in total denial, nor can he take such a defiant posture. The play calling position at this point should not be his island he is willing to die on. His response should be more like that he is aware there are more than a few areas to focus on and he needs to communicate clearly that he is assessing and considering many options. At this point the blind allegiance to Patullo is just as likely to pull himself under....

6 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

But again, they're not even in the same ballpark. We haven't even DRAFTED a QB with a skillset that mimicked Hurts. Not even as a late flier or something. I truly do not think it's a coincidence.

Well you have to look at the stock of ‘similar’ skillsets. What exactly is Hurt’s skillset? Hurts is pretty unique. I’d hesitate to call him a true ‘dual threat’ QB. He’s a strong runner, but more of an opportunistic one. He’s not doing what Lamar and Josh Allen do. He rarely takes over games with his legs, week 1 Dallas might be one of the few examples.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

The contract they signed Jalen to gives them absolutely no leverage. And honestly?

I'm starting to wonder if Jalen is the type where he needs to be coached very hard.

3 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll disagree with you on that. Because when the Eagles were at their best with Carson wentz is when he could improvise with his legs and do things as a runner. That was important in all this. Being a good pocket passer was also high on there. Along wit supposedly his IQ. The Eagles can say whatever they want, but if Jared Goff would’ve fallen into two (and knew that was gonna happen) I don’t think they make that trade up. They wanted Carson went because of the things you said, but also his ability to keep plays alive out of structure and be able to utilize his legs. Let me point this out. They were considering drafting Jordan love in the first round per Adam caplan in 2020 before drafting hurts. The reason was because he was a dual threat. Which was movement in the nfl.

No offense Jeffrey lurie sat there and told everybody he didn’t wanna miss on the next Russell Wilson when hurts was drafted. You wanna know what Russell Wilson is in his prime? He was great at keeping plays alive, moving the pocket and great at plays outside of structure. As a pure pocket passer, he was also inconsistent. Kind of similar to Jalen hurts. Furthermore when they drafted Jalen hurts the nfl movement at that time was Lamar Jackson, what you saw Andy Reid do with Patrick Mahomes, and what Josh Allen had become.

Best case scenario for Hurts was him turning into Russell wilson, we got the Great Value version.

Momentum is hard to quantify since it’s intangible, but I do know that this team is just horrible of capturing it and maintaining it.

Defense gets a turnover with the Hunt pick and then the offense fumbles it right back. Offense finally scores a TD on a 92 yard drive and then Jake misses the XP. There have been games where the offense gets a big TD and then the defense just rolls over. And then today they had a chance to make it a one possession game sans the 2 pt needed after a second TD, send your defense back onto the field down 8 with the crowd back in the game, and they draw up a dud of a 2 pt play which took the air out of the stadium and ended the game. I know the analytics robots say to go for 2 there, but I disagree with it.

2 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

I don't believe that's actually a thing. There are only 32 of these jobs. They'd be coming into a situation with an owner who spends and an elite GM. It'll be a highly attractive job. The Colts hired Steichen. They had an owner with a drug problem who brought in Jeff Saturday out of the analyst booth mid season. That was a mess. They still could lure Steichen.

I don't know if he'll be fired, but I can tell you that narrative isn't a thing. If they did, coaches will be lining up to interview here.

Just now, AmericanEagle77 said:

The contract they signed Jalen to gives them absolutely no leverage. And honestly?

I'm starting to wonder if Jalen is the type where he needs to be coached very hard.

Honestly, casting off 2 guys (HC and QB) that won a Super Bowl the prior year is the kind of massive flashing neon sign that you're a completely dysfunctional organization. There's no chance they do it, unless Nick dies on the hill for Patullo this offseason.

Just now, aptosbird said:

And this is why the FO needs to have a serious conversation about Sirianni's future. This is not the response a leader should have at this particular moment in time. This loss because of the overall team failure is very much about Nick this week. As a leader, he can't come across as delusional or in total denial, nor can he take such a defiant posture. The play calling position at this point should not be his island he is willing to die on. His response should be more like that he is aware there are more than a few areas to focus on and he needs to communicate clearly that he is assessing and considering many options. At this point the blind allegiance to Patullo is just as likely to pull himself under....

So you're saying Nick not being honest to the media is the reason they need to have a conversation about Sirianni's future? I think there's some real PTSD going on here with Press Taylor for some people. They could just tell him to stop being so dishonest to the media, and that's the end of it. But I don't think that's what their focus is on...

Another thing about Jalen. People keep talking about him hanging with Brady, hanging with Jordan. He obviously didnt listen when they spoke.

Show some competitive fire like those guys instead of sitting on the bench like a whiney kid who just got scolded.

5 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

Agreed on everything

Lurie needs to tell Sirianni it’s either fire Patullo or I fire both of you. You were a good hire, but you’re not special and you sure as crap are not having this level of success elsewhere, if anyone else would bother hiring you at all.

10 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm hoping that's coach speak and they'll do it behind doors and then announce it later

Otherwise... F Nick and KP

7 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’ll disagree with you on that. Because when the Eagles were at their best with Carson wentz is when he could improvise with his legs and do things as a runner. That was important in all this. Being a good pocket passer was also high on there. Along wit supposedly his IQ. The Eagles can say whatever they want, but if Jared Goff would’ve fallen into two (and knew that was gonna happen) I don’t think they make that trade up. They wanted Carson went because of the things you said, but also his ability to keep plays alive out of structure and be able to utilize his legs. Let me point this out. They were considering drafting Jordan love in the first round per Adam caplan in 2020 before drafting hurts. The reason was because he was a dual threat. Which was movement in the nfl.

No offense Jeffrey lurie sat there and told everybody he didn’t wanna miss on the next Russell Wilson when hurts was drafted. You wanna know what Russell Wilson is in his prime? He was great at keeping plays alive, moving the pocket and great at plays outside of structure. As a pure pocket passer, he was also kind of inconsistent. Kind of similar to Jalen hurts. Furthermore when they drafted Jalen hurts the nfl movement at that time was Lamar Jackson, what you saw Andy Reid do with Patrick Mahomes, and what Josh Allen had become. Lurie wanted that if Carson couldn’t provide some of that anymore.

Good point. He may have changed a tad but I think at his heart he'd take someone like Burrow over anyone else

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I don't believe that's actually a think. There are only 32 of these jobs. They'd be coming into a situation with an owner who spends and an elite GM. It'll be a highly attractive job. The Colts hired Steichen. They had an owner with a drug problem who brought in Jeff Saturday out of the analyst booth mid season. That was a mess. They still could Lurie Steichen.

I don't know if he'll be fired, but I can tell you that narrative isn't a thing. If they did, coaches will be lining up to interview here.

It's 100% a thing -- it's why Ben Johnson didn't go to Washington after 2023 or Las Vegas after 2024. There's 32 jobs, but a lot less than 32 qualified people. Being a crap show organization is how you end up with 70 year old Pete Carroll or Aaron Glenn.

4 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

Yup I am still going only because I will be staying in Carpenteria for a couple of nights instead of obnoxious LA. Carp is one of the truly best kept secrets in Cali, along with Aptos/Capitola area. I only go all the way down yo watch the game and run back up the coast right after.

Just now, vikas83 said:

Honestly, casting off 2 guys (HC and QB) that won a Super Bowl the prior year is the kind of massive flashing neon sign that you're a completely dysfunctional organization. There's no chance they do it, unless Nick dies on the hill for Patullo this offseason.

You really just have to accept the reality here as the FO. Nick can't be primary offense coach as long as Jalen is here. It's not even a Nick issue, or a Hurts issue, it's a both of them together specifically issue.

7 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I agree with some of this and disagree with some of this. The biggest thing I agree with is yes, Nick and Hurts schematically are a match made in hell. A lot of it really comes from this. For a while I really did not like Hurts approach, but the more I thought about it, the more I realize it's the two of them together that's causing a lot of the issues.

Senior assistant wise, nah, I think Lurie is one of the easiest types to do succession plans with because he's shown willingness to really invest money to make the team good. Same applies to someone like Bevell if you wanted him. But I really think the thing is, this situation's true culprit is the mismatch between Sirianni and Hurts from a schematics standpoint. Everything else that you have to do is compensating for this fundamental problem.

As for Lurie, look, he can want a McVay, Reid, or Shanahan all he wants, but they're considered what they are because they're rare and uncommon. I agree that's what he wants too, but trying to find one is going to be easier said than done if he wants to go that route. He could end up with another Chip Kelly instead.

Schematically, i don’t think there’s a QB on this planet that would fit into what they’re doing. Play design aside, there’s absolutely no thought put into the play calling it seems. They’re out there basically doing Buddy/Randall, go out there and run around in circles and hope something good happens, ball.

20 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

They literally just won the last Super Bowl

I know. With a different offensive coordinator. And they are going to be on the O coordinator treadmill as long as Sirianni is here.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Lurie needs to tell Sirianni it’s either fire Patullo or I fire both of you. You were a good hire, but you’re not special and you sure as crap are not having this level of success elsewhere, if anyone else would bother hiring you at all.

That's probably an offseason conversation

1 minute ago, Saltpeter said:

Lurie needs to tell Sirianni it’s either fire Patullo or I fire both of you. You were a good hire, but you’re not special and you sure as crap are not having this level of success elsewhere, if anyone else would bother hiring you at all.

That's the ONLY way Nick could be gone -- they demand he fire KP and he decides to die on that hill. I seriously doubt he tanks his career for KP (though Doug kinda did for Press Taylor).

I'd put money on it happening but if by some 1/1000000000000 odds that Lurie/Howie fired KP and Nick then I think there would be a line circling the stadium to be HC. There's just too much talent on offense. They'd likely keep Vic