1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

Schematically, i don’t think there’s a QB on this planet that would fit into what they’re doing. Play design aside, there’s absolutely no thought put into the play calling it seems. They’re out there basically doing Buddy/Randall, go out there and run around in circles and hope something good happens, ball.

It's a terrible, high school level scheme with the plays being called by an imbecile. It's a double whammy.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

I agree with some of this and disagree with some of this. The biggest thing I agree with is yes, Nick and Hurts schematically are a match made in hell. A lot of it really comes from this. For a while I really did not like Hurts approach, but the more I thought about it, the more I realize it's the two of them together that's causing a lot of the issues.

Senior assistant wise, nah, I think Lurie is one of the easiest types to do succession plans with because he's shown willingness to really invest money to make the team good. Same applies to someone like Bevell if you wanted him. But I really think the thing is, this situation's true culprit is the mismatch between Sirianni and Hurts from a schematics standpoint. Everything else that you have to do is compensating for this fundamental problem.

As for Lurie, look, he can want a McVay, Reid, or Shanahan all he wants, but they're considered what they are because they're rare and uncommon. I agree that's what he wants too, but trying to find one is going to be easier said than done if he wants to go that route. He could end up with another Chip Kelly instead.

Again, Miami is not gonna just let bevell leave the organization unless you’re giving him a promotion. I’m not so sure a senior assistant is a promotion over a passing game coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

Add on bevell hasn’t been an OC or calling plays in 4 seasons. that’s an eternity in the NFL. Plus he is the passing game coordinator for the Miami Dolphins over the last four years. I would argue that passing game for Miami has gotten worse over that 4 years. granted some of it’s not bevell‘s fault with Tua but has also looked like he’s regressed over the years. I don’t think Jeffrey Lurie and the organization is yearning for him. Tbh i don’t think others around the nfl are either.

Do I think they should’ve hired a senior assistant? Yes, especially with a first time offensive coordinator and vying for a Super Bowl. That said they just didn’t do it. Which is on them for having the hubris to not think about it since it happened in 2023 and should’ve done it then too.

That said the biggest problem with all this is what we’ve discussed that there is a fundamental problem that exist between Nick Sirianni and Jalen hurts. Frankly, I think Jalen hurts doesn’t really care Nick Sirianni. I think he is fine as long as they win. I think Nick has tried to embrace him and tried to make things work with him to the best that he could. But Nick has bigger problems where he just can’t maximize personnel in the way that this team needs him to. frankly, Jeffrey Lurie is never gonna stop searching for his next Andy Reid/Sean McVay til he finds him.

Lurie has to make a decision on whether or not he believes Nick can be the guy or he needs another head coach could come in here be a CEO stuff but also be innovative enough with their offense to make them a Super Bowl contender. Right now Brian Schottenheimer who wasn’t a well thought of HC candidate is maximizing the talent Dallas has on offense. Taking Qb out of conversation, I’d argue eagles have similar personnel

10 minutes ago, devpool said:

Bench hurts for a game. Andy did it to McNabb.

Was that the game Ed Reed broke his own longest INT return record? Pick 6 #1 of 2 Kolb threw to join elite territory of being one of 4 (i think) QB’s to throw 2 over 90 yards…3k pass attempts quicker than any other QB (also IIRC).

1 minute ago, shlo said:

I know. With a different offensive coordinator. And they are going to be on the O coordinator treadmill as long as Sirianni is here.

If you take away Andy who actually coached here then none of the great mind O head coaches have actually won more than Sirriani and most were flops fwiw

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

That's the ONLY way Nick could be gone -- they demand he fire KP and he decides to die on that hill. I seriously doubt he tanks his career for KP (though Doug kinda did for Press Taylor).

Being blunt here. If they end up having two Super Bowl winning coaches fired in the exact same way, then we know where the fault lies.

3 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't believe that's actually a thing. There are only 32 of these jobs. They'd be coming into a situation with an owner who spends and an elite GM. It'll be a highly attractive job. The Colts hired Steichen. They had an owner with a drug problem who brought in Jeff Saturday out of the analyst booth mid season. That was a mess. They still could Lurie Steichen.

I don't know if he'll be fired, but I can tell you that narrative isn't a thing. If they did, coaches will be lining up to interview here.

I never understand when people say the eagles will have difficulty attracting a top HC prospect given Roseman's success lately. If we're being real who would blame the eagles for moving on from sirainni after '23 and '25? He can't design an offense and cannot right the ship when there is adversity.

You could tell from the first snap of this game that the Eagles were losing this game. There was absolutely no emotion on any of the players faces. Hurts looked as he always does on the sideline, but it stood out even more today. This team didn't even want to be on the field.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

It's a terrible, high school level scheme with the plays being called by an imbecile. It's a double whammy.

Oh ya, play design is absolutely abysmal…but that would be tolerable and possibly palpable if sequencing was remotely competent IMO.

Just now, vikas83 said:

It's 100% a thing -- it's why Ben Johnson didn't go to Washington after 2023 or Las Vegas after 2024. There's 32 jobs, but a lot less than 32 qualified people. Being a crap show organization is how you end up with 70 year old Pete Carroll or Aaron Glenn.

He didn't go to Washington because they didn't have a QB yet and because he knew he could wait for a better job. And he didn't go to Vegas because the Bears were a better job to have success. The Eagles are not comparable to Washington or the Raiders. The Eagles are one of the most successful franchises in the NFL.

If Sirianni is fired I'm sure every candidate will look at it as "He must have been fired for a reason." And btw, I'm sure all these coaches are breaking down the film and laughing at how awful the Eagles offensive structure is. They would all understand why Lurie did it. It would be a very attractive job.

I don't think the chances are zero he gets fired if this continues. Like if they collapse and Dallas surpasses them, that would be one of the worst moments in franchise history and would be hard to ignore. And you know Lurie is going to think "If we hire a new OC and he's great, he's just gonna get hired away again and we are going to be in the same position we were in 2023 and 2025." And Jalen Hurts would at that point would be on his 6th new OC in a row.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Again, Miami is not gonna just let bevell leave the organization unless you’re giving him a promotion. I’m not so sure a senior assistant is a promotion over a passing game coordinator and quarterbacks coach.

Add on bevell hasn’t been an OC or calling plays in 4 seasons. that’s an eternity in the NFL. Plus he is the passing game coordinator for the Miami Dolphins over the last four years. I would argue that passing game for Miami has gotten worse over that 4 years. granted some of it’s not bevell‘s fault with Tua but has also looked like he’s regressed over the years. I don’t think Jeffrey Lurie and the organization is yearning for him. Tbh i don’t think others around the nfl are either.

Do I think they should’ve hired a senior assistant? Yes, especially with a first time offensive coordinator and vying for a Super Bowl. That said they just didn’t do it. Which is on them for having the hubris to not think about it since it happened in 2023 and should’ve done it then too.

That said the biggest problem with all this is what we’ve discussed that there is a fundamental problem that exist between Nick Sirianni and Jalen hurts. Frankly, I think Jalen hurts doesn’t really care Nick Sirianni. I think he is fine as long as they win. I think Nick has tried to embrace him and tried to make things work with him to the best that he could. But Nick has bigger problems where he just can’t maximize personnel in the way that this team needs him to. frankly, Jeffrey Lurie is never gonna stop searching for his next Andy Reid/Sean McVay til he finds him.

Lurie has to make a decision on whether or not he believes Nick can be the guy or he needs another head coach could come in here be a CEO stuff but also be innovative enough with their offense to make them a Super Bowl contender. Right now Brian Schottenheimer who wasn’t a well thought of HC candidate is maximizing the talent Dallas has on offense. Taking Qb out of conversation, I’d argue eagles have similar personnel

I think if Kafka is let go by Giants at season's end then he'll be our next OC. Lurie likes him

3 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

So you're saying Nick not being honest to the media is the reason they need to have a conversation about Sirianni's future? I think there's some real PTSD going on here with Press Taylor for some people. They could just tell him to stop being so dishonest to the media, and that's the end of it. But I don't think that's what their focus is on...

Not sure what you are even talking about. There is a way of communicating as a leader to maintain respect and sense of control in a tough situation...doubling down on a pretty obvious failing situation only makes the leader look feeble. He is not at this point performing for the media...his bigger audience is his bosses.

6 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Honestly, casting off 2 guys (HC and QB) that won a Super Bowl the prior year is the kind of massive flashing neon sign that you're a completely dysfunctional organization. There's no chance they do it, unless Nick dies on the hill for Patullo this offseason.

Youre right there will be changes but it won't be HC and QB.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Maybe Siri wants out of Philly as well.

2 minutes ago, jamiller said:

100%.

Feels like a team that has given up. Also, they aren't very good at good football.

Sure, we will win the East, almost certainly, but so what? It isn't magically going to come together.

And this D may not be all that. Flashes sure, but today says they can't stop the run. Tired doesn't cut it as they got GASHED in the first few series. No one is that f'ing tired.

The D are in the reality of having to make up for how basic the O is. Even so, they got run all over today and looked soft at times trying to stop it. It was sold but largely ineffective in the big moments. More bark than bite.

The whole org needs to decide if they want it or not. If they do, the O cannot remain as is. Its embarrassing to watch so many highly paid players, play within a system that makes Madden look complex. I will enjoy the external pressure they will face now.

31 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

AJ was just asked if guys are getting schemed open enough, and he said yeah. Said execution is the issue. Believes they have the right people in this locker room to get it fixed.

Of course he's gonna say that after today's game, look at his stat line

33 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

If we're being honest with ourselves.. Stout has had a bad season

Definitely has to take some of the blame, but the injuries trump that I feel. Cam and Landon have been shells of themselves this year. Lane is just the most recent.

4 minutes ago, shlo said:

I know. With a different offensive coordinator. And they are going to be on the O coordinator treadmill as long as Sirianni is here.

SB clouds a lot…there was a lot of us last year that were worried till week 10 that it was a repeat of the season prior. Siri legit should have been fired if they lost that week 9 game against the Jags. That was his worst coaching performance ever. We won a SB is not an excuse. The best bet is to find an old OC who is content like Stout and Vic are in their roles.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I'm hoping that's coach speak and they'll do it behind doors and then announce it later

Otherwise... F Nick and KP

Good point. He may have changed a tad but I think at his heart he'd take someone like Burrow over anyone else

I think he would want Burrow because Burrow is a top 5 quarterback in the league when healthy. i think if you asked lurie if he had a choice (if all 3 QBs were promised good health) between Allen, mahomes and burrow that he’d choose Allen and mahomes due to the dual threat ability

It really feels like half the time KP is just hoping Barkley breaks one and bails him out.

Screw this team. I think they know they are done. They just all look lost on the sidelines. Whatever said and done it's Siris team and he has to get all that shiz in order.

Hurts, Brown, Smith, Goedert, Barkley, Carter, Mitchell, Baun, Cooper, etc.

There will be HCs that wants this team

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

It really feels like half the time KP is just hoping Barkley breaks one and bails him out.

Is it KP or Stout or Both? Remember Stout is the run game coordinator

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think if Kafka is let go by Giants at season's end then he'll be our next OC. Lurie likes him

That actually wouldn't be a bad move IMO. He had the giants offense looking halfway decent with Jaxson Dart under center.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think if Kafka is let go by Giants at season's end then he'll be our next OC. Lurie likes him

I was going to say this earlier. Bring the Metamorphosis home.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I think if Kafka is let go by Giants at season's end then he'll be our next OC. Lurie likes him

People got mad at me when I suggested him in 2020 to be the head coach. It’s for the exact reason you just said. Cause I think lurie really likes him and he was a former Qb. frankly, I don’t think he’s the problem with the Giants. You’ve seen since he’s taken over the play calls, they’ve been more creative and functional without getting the Qb killed repeatedly. They’re maximizing the talent that they do have. The problem with the Giants offense isn’t because of the play calling. The problem with the Giants is that they don’t have enough talent to sustain the offense for 4 quarters. The problem with the eagle is they have so much talent that they should be able to sustain offense consistently for 4 quarters and they can’t.