1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

People got mad at me when I suggested him in 2020 to be the head coach. It’s for the exact reason you just said. Cause I think lurie really likes him and he was a former Qb. frankly, I don’t think he’s the problem with the Giants. You’ve seen since he’s taken over the play calls, they’ve been more creative and functional without getting the Qb killed repeatedly. They’re maximizing the talent that they do have. The problem with the Giants offense isn’t because of the play calling. The problem with the Giants is that they don’t have enough talent to sustain the offense for 4 quarters. The problem with the eagle is they have so much talent that they should be able to sustain offense consistently for 4 quarters and they can’t.

Add in that he worked for Andy (and played for him), and Kafka makes a TON of sense. Pederson got the HC job because of his connection to Andy, who Lurie still holds in higher regard than any coach since.

The only way Sirriani gets fired is if he won’t fire Patullo

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

People got mad at me when I suggested him in 2020 to be the head coach. It’s for the exact reason you just said. Cause I think lurie really likes him and he was a former Qb. frankly, I don’t think he’s the problem with the Giants. You’ve seen since he’s taken over the play calls, they’ve been more creative and functional without getting the Qb killed repeatedly. They’re maximizing the talent that they do have. The problem with the Giants offense isn’t because of the play calling. The problem with the Giants is that they don’t have enough talent to sustain the offense for 4 quarters. The problem with the eagle is they have so much talent that they should be able to sustain offense consistently for 4 quarters and they can’t.

Hire Kafka as OC. Win super bowl. Fire nick, make Kafka HC. Problems solved!

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Like if they collapse and Dallas surpasses them, that would be one of the worst moments in franchise history and would be hard to ignore.

Didn't that happen in 2023?

It was Dallas that caught them when they collapsed or am I thinking of something else?

Stanford hired a new HC. I wonder if Reich is brought in as a Senior Consultant.

1 minute ago, vikas83 said:

It really feels like half the time KP is just hoping Barkley breaks one and bails him out.

Yeah. It doesn't feel like the running game has much nuance to it. As someone who has no background in the sport, I will not take it that this is the best the run game can be with the overall talent level. As fans, we are right to expect more than this.

3 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

Is it KP or Stout or Both? Remember Stout is the run game coordinator

I’m not sure that Stout is the one saying f it lets call endless inside zones using 6 or 7 if we lucky to block 8+.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

The only way Sirriani gets fired is if he won’t fire Patullo

Weirdly enough.. I could see that happening again

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Stanford hired a new HC. I wonder if Reich is brought in as a Senior Consultant.

Interesting…might have been some behind the scenes stuff going on. Odd timing to hire a new one.

15 minutes ago, devpool said:

Best case scenario for Hurts was him turning into Russell wilson, we got the Great Value version.

Not directed at you, but a lot of people didn’t watch the Seahawks closely when they were really good. Russell Wilson took advantage of a really good defense and a really good running game. However, the thing that made Russell Wilson so incredibly good and hard to play against is that he was masterful at being a QB outside of structure. He was never a great pocket passer. It’s probably why towards the end with the Seahawks then going to the Broncos and now he’s not good enough anymore. Cause he can’t create outside of structure and when he does, it’s very few and far between.

Hurts is not going to be a great pocket passer. That’s not where his bread and butter is. That’s not where it was in college. Can you have games where he does it? Yes. But consistently he’s not going to do it. If you try to make him a pocket passer and take away what he can do outside of structure and with his legs then not benefiting yourself.

2 minutes ago, devpool said:

Hire Kafka as OC. Win super bowl. Fire nick, make Kafka HC. Problems solved!

To be honest I'm fine with the parade at OC if we win the SB every other year in the process

Just now, pgcd3 said:

The only way Sirriani gets fired is if he won’t fire Patullo

I wouldn't put it past sirianni if he thinks way more of himself than he should and pushes back on firing patullo. Honestly.if they fire him and bring in Kafka I wouldn't mind, I Fing hate sirianni and it's annoying hating the HC of the team.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not directed at you, but a lot of people didn’t watch the Seahawks closely when they were really good. Russell Wilson took advantage of a really good defense and a really good running game. However, the thing that made Russell Wilson so incredibly good and hard to play against is that he was masterful at being a QB outside of structure. He was never a great pocket passer. It’s probably why towards the end with the Seahawks then going to the Broncos and now he’s not good enough anymore. Cause he can’t create outside of structure and when he does, it’s very few and far between.

Hurts is not going to be a great pocket passer. That’s not where his bread and butter is. That’s not where it was in college. Can you have games where he does it? Yes. But consistently he’s not going to do it. If you try to make him a pocket passer and take away what he can do outside of structure and with his legs then not benefiting yourself.

Wilson was an OC’s absolute nightmare at his ‘peak’. He was really only good out of structure. Honestly, when people talk about him in the tiers of QB’s i laugh at people who thought he was ever truly elite. He was good at extending plays and throwing up prayers during scramble drills.

Hurts’ arm talent is no where near Wilson’s though. His arm allowed him to get away with a lot.

12 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

You could tell from the first snap of this game that the Eagles were losing this game. There was absolutely no emotion on any of the players faces. Hurts looked as he always does on the sideline, but it stood out even more today. This team didn't even want to be on the field.

Hurts absolutely looked like he didn't want to be there. He was always bundled up as if he was in Siberia. He usually looks disinterested but this was on another level. Looked like he couldn't wait for the game to be over so he could have some hot chocolate.

2 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Didn't that happen in 2023?

It was Dallas that caught them when they collapsed or am I thinking of something else?

They had a bigger lead this season and Dallas was a far better team in 2023. I think internally it would be viewed as a far worse collapse. They were 8-2 and Dallas was 4-5-1. To blow that division when the hardest part of your schedule was over would be 64 Phillies level collapse. It would be a complete and total embarrassment. And 2023 largely collapsed because they had an old defense with overpaid players. This team is collapsing because their highest paid offense in the NFL is playing like a bottom 5 offense. Would be absolutely a fireable offense.

And if the solution is to hire an OC and give him full control of the offense then why keep Sirianni? And if that OC is great, he's gonna lose him in 2027.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Not directed at you, but a lot of people didn’t watch the Seahawks closely when they were really good. Russell Wilson took advantage of a really good defense and a really good running game. However, the thing that made Russell Wilson so incredibly good and hard to play against is that he was masterful at being a QB outside of structure. He was never a great pocket passer. It’s probably why towards the end with the Seahawks then going to the Broncos and now he’s not good enough anymore. Cause he can’t create outside of structure and when he does, it’s very few and far between.

Hurts is not going to be a great pocket passer. That’s not where his bread and butter is. That’s not where it was in college. Can you have games where he does it? Yes. But consistently he’s not going to do it. If you try to make him a pocket passer and take away what he can do outside of structure and with his legs then not benefiting yourself.

Oh I say all the time when i make the comparison that wilson wasnt actually a good passer but his backyard football BS was killer, and it worked with what they had at the time (a fantastic defense and strong run game). If hurts was that now, we would be unstoppable with this defense. But his work outside the pocket just isn't consistently good

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

I’m not sure that Stout is the one saying f it lets call endless inside zones using 6 or 7 if we lucky to block 8+.

Yup...Stout didn't all of a sudden forget to coach. That is a really ridiculous take. There is much more variables going on including health, defensive scheming etc...He is not calling the plays rather provides feedback during the week when the game plan is being put together. Running into stacked 8 man fronts with injured OL in tight formations, high school routes etc is not at all about Stout...he can see his tired OL getting pushed back...I seriously doubt he would call for any more tush pushes.

21 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I don't believe that's actually a thing. There are only 32 of these jobs. They'd be coming into a situation with an owner who spends and an elite GM. It'll be a highly attractive job. The Colts hired Steichen. They had an owner with a drug problem who brought in Jeff Saturday out of the analyst booth mid season. That was a mess. They still could lure Steichen.

I don't know if he'll be fired, but I can tell you that narrative isn't a thing. If they did, coaches will be lining up to interview here.

There has to be an elite offensive mind out there who is DROOLING over the thought of using AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Saquon Barkley, Tank Bigsby etc. It's an absolute crime that this team has these weapons and can't do a damn thing with them.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

And if the solution is to hire an OC and give him full control of the offense then why keep Sirianni? And if that OC is great, he's gonna lose him in 2027.

I'd call it dealing with the HR nonsense and allowing the OC to do their job without distractions.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

To be honest I'm fine with the parade at OC if we win the SB every other year in the process

Eventually that train breaks down, we could easily end up in Steelers territory cycling out bad coordinators like Tomlin has had to. We kind of are there. I think last year is more on Saquon than Moore being ‘great’. Truly we haven’t had a consistent O capable of executing on all phases of O since Doug and Reich. I’d argue 2023 was near that level though. Steichen had the O humming for most of the season.

2 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

There has to be an elite offensive mind out there who is DROOLING over the thought of using AJ Brown, DeVonta Smith, Saquon Barkley, Tank Bigsby etc. It's an absolute crime that this team has these weapons and can't do a damn thing with them.

It is because of the name you left out

3 minutes ago, vikas83 said:

Add in that he worked for Andy (and played for him), and Kafka makes a TON of sense. Pederson got the HC job because of his connection to Andy, who Lurie still holds in higher regard than any coach since.

Good add. That was another reason why i mentioned it.

It’s worked out well in terms of success and wins for the Eagles with Nick Sirianni over the 5 years. When you look at all the wins they’ve had, gotten into two Super Bowls and won 1. But the problem is this, in order to win at that clip you have to sustain the best roster in the NFL for years.Creativeness and innovativeness if the offense it’s been regressing and erratic.

At some point in time you’re not gonna be able to sustain the best overall roster in the nfl. So if your talent begins to regress and guys begin to get older, you need your coaching to be able scheme better, and coaches to get the maximum out of what you do have. At some point in time the Eagles roster is not gonna be one of the best in the NFL. It’s gonna slowly deteriorate away because in the salary cap era you can’t keep everybody. So you’re gonna have to scheme up to make up for that. The problem is Nick Sirianni I don’t believe was ever gonna be that. I thought the same thing with Doug. I thought his best job was in 2017 but that’s more of the outlier when you look at the totality of his career. Imo Doug I think was a better play designer and schemer than Siriani is. But I don’t think either one of them were great enough to sustain high level of offensive success after talent began eroding

I think with Mike Kafka your hope was he’s a former quarterback so he would help in the development of the quarterback you had either Carson wentz or Jalen hurts at the time.

Just throwing this out there but Wilson also had a historic defense

Lol this kinda stings