KP, the offensive design and play calling have been the biggest factor. The health of the OL have also been a big issue.

The other thing you have to consider is that most of these guys on offense have been paid and have reached the mountaintop by winning the Superbowl last year. Maybe they just aren't hungry any more to do the extra things that need to be done to be successful. The lack of focus and attention to detail has been a big issue that has definitely been limiting their production.

I guess that is why they say it is tough to repeat. Not only the physical toll of the extended season but also the mental let down after winning it all.

These guys aren’t winning the SB this year. So I’ve lost my urgency in being willing to make drastic moves to get an otherwise SB worthy team over the top. They can go ahead and keep after it with no changes for all I care. They make changes in the offseason.

This was pointed out during the game, but did anyone else notice Hurts with that weird hitch in his throwing motion again?

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is why I said lurie has to make a decision. Do you actually believe Nick Sirianni can fix this passing game and fix the offense. Not hire somebody else to come in and do the dirty work I’m fixing it. Only to leave the following year. Imo that’s not a sustainable plan.

So Lurie really has to look at it from a far and not with his emotions and ask himself if 2024 is probable again or more likely that a change is needed. He has to look at whether or not when roster on offense begins to deteriorate can sirianni elevate the personnel he has to. At this point he hasn’t shown he can do that consistently with a stacked offensive roster

We should have promoted Kellen Moore to co-head coach (the real head coach). And kept Sirianni as the "ceo type”.

If for any reason New Orleans sours on him after this season, we should make that move without blinking an eye.

Sirianni just won a superbowl and got a big ass extension. He’s not going anywhere…so this offense will continue to look like this no matter who the coordinator is because this is Siriannis crap offensive scheme

1 minute ago, Mike31mt said:

Totally disagree

By keeping it a one score game, you don't need to onside kick it, and the Bears have the pressure on them to score points.

The game was immediately over when they failed the two point conversion. You've gotta keep it a one score game as long as possible, anything can happen

They wouldn’t need to onside kick it if they converted.

To me it simply comes down to one thing. They needed to convert a 2 pt try. There’s no way around that. You either do it there which helps you manage the rest of the game whether you convert or don’t. Or you put the game on the line with just a tying 2 pt try with no time left.

26 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Uh.... I thought we were looking for improvement. Nick isn't that guy.

I’m looking for accountability. Tired of everyone else taking the blame for Sirriani.

And, as THE leader of the team, it’s his DUTY to step in when the ship is sinking and shoulder it.

He’s failing on all fronts.

We gave up 281 rushing yards at 6 yards a pop. If Caleb Williams didn’t miss a few easy passes and if his receivers didn’t slip on a couple of big third downs everyone would be talking about how crappy they were. Make no mistake, the defense wasn’t all that competitive today.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They wouldn’t need to onside kick it if they converted.

To me it simply comes down to one thing. They needed to convert a 2 pt try. There’s no way around that. You either do it there which helps you manage the rest of the game whether you convert or don’t. Or you put the game on the line with just a tying 2 pt try with no time left.

This shouldn’t be that difficult for people to understand.

22 minutes ago, B3 said:

Did Bigsby get any carries today?

NOPE! I think I saw him in there for one play which was the play action to Barkley in the flat that he wasn't even looking for and a defender was right on his hip. Would have been no gain even if he caught it. This team is obsessed with running pass plays at the LOS with no chance of RAC. It's maddening.

Just now, bpac55 said:

NOPE! I think I saw him in there for one play which was the play action to Barkley in the flat that he wasn't even looking for and a defender was right on his hip. Would have been no gain even if he caught it. This team is obsessed with running pass plays at the LOS with no chance of RAC. It's maddening.

The first play out of the half and we couldn’t even run it correctly.

Tough. Detailed. Together.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

This shouldn’t be that difficult for people to understand.

Yeah I feel the same way about kicking the XP.

Very similar to the decision to go for 4th down against Detroit. The hyper aggressive computer model isn't always the best thing.

The risk of remaining down two scores absolutely outweighs the potential benefit of pulling within 7. You have to make sure it is a one possession game. It's not that complicated

22 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

The issue is - his stats are so over the top, insanely good that they really can’t let him go - would take a collapse this season plus a losing season next year for them to even begin to consider it, imo

I don’t believe that matters to Lurie. He falls apart this year and he’s gone

This is such a chicken ish message and no wonder he’s lost the locker room again. He has no backbone and the players know it.

13 minutes ago, Swoop said:

At the very least next season looks promising. Sirianni and Hurts will still be here. We'll have a big cap hit from trading AJ to the Patriots. Goedert will be gone. Dotson will be gone

The passing attack will look the same and feature Smith, Cooper, Reagor 2.0 from the draft and Calcarterra back on a cheap deal.

Get the light poles ready!

This is why I said Jeffrey Lurie needs to really evaluate the situation. Because if you’re allowing all those guys to go, then you’re moving into a new. And if you’re moving into a new era where you know you’re not gonna be as good off offensively in terms of talent then you need to make a decision what’s best in the future for this organization. Not based off what happened in the past.

The future would say we had arguably our most talented roster, our offenses passing game since the end of 2024 has never been consistent. So do I think Nick Sirianni is going to be able to coach and scheme up lesser talent to make this work and get back to the pinnacle.

Imo Nick Sirianni is here in 2026 whether they collapse or not. If they don’t win another game the rest of the year, I still think he’s gonna be their head coach in 2026. Because I think optically Jeffrey Lurie will not fire him one year removed from a Super Bowl victory. If 2026 looks similar to 2025 on offense and they aren’t as good as lurie envisions then i think he’s likely gone

9 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

This is why I said lurie has to make a decision. Do you actually believe Nick Sirianni can fix this passing game and fix the offense. Not hire somebody else to come in and do the dirty work in fixing it. Only to leave the following year. Imo that’s not a sustainable plan.

So Lurie really has to look at it from a far and not with his emotions and ask himself if 2024 is probable again or more likely that a change is needed. He has to look at whether or not when roster on offense begins to deteriorate can sirianni elevate the personnel when he has too. At this point he hasn’t shown he can do that consistently with a stacked offensive roster

Honestly, this is so exhausting. Why do human beings all ignore data?

There are defensive coaching regimes that keep their OCs for up to THREE YEARS. Where people know that EVERY facet of the ENTIRE offense is done by the OC, which can be taken and turned into a head coach. Why do Philadelphia fans alone for some godforsaken reason act like the only possible situation is have Nick either be Kyle Shanahan, where OCs literally don't matter, or face poaching that even DCs don't, and then also put that on Nick?

It honestly doesn't make any sense.

8 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

We should have promoted Kellen Moore to co-head coach (the real head coach). And kept Sirianni as the "ceo type”.

If for any reason New Orleans sours on him after this season, we should make that move without blinking an eye.

Moore was never staying here to be Co-HC. Especially not with a job offer in New Orleans regardless of how bad that organization is.

IMO i wonder if the Vikings sour on KOC after 2026 if he’s in consideration. Feels like without a Qb Vikings future is bleak. I like KOC. If he has a functional Qb can do a lot of things. Also allows you to keep fangio

5 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Yeah I feel the same way about kicking the XP.

Very similar to the decision to go for 4th down against Dallas. The hyper aggressive computer model isn't always the best thing.

The risk of remaining down two scores absolutely outweighs the potential benefit of pulling within 7. You have to make sure it is a one possession game. It's not that complicated

It’s not hyper aggressive. It’s simply giving you more information with more time left…

45 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Pretty brutal that Dallas broke both the 2023 team and this year’s team. The SF game in ‘23 started it but that Dallas game pretty much let everyone know things were going down the drain.

As far as this years team, Dallas didn't break us. They barely won in Dallas thanks in part to 14 penalties. 2023 they beat us pretty bad after SF beat us bad. People are over reacting to Dallas winning 2 close games at home where they are already pretty good but have had a significant advantage with the officials. Let's see how they do on the road where they aren't as good and dont have the refs on their side.

They lost 2 straight earlier to Denver and the Giants. They lost 2 straight now to Dallas and Chicago. They responded last time losing 2 straight so hopefully they can do so again with 10 days between games seeing as though they dont play till next Monday night.

8 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

They wouldn’t need to onside kick it if they converted.

To me it simply comes down to one thing. They needed to convert a 2 pt try. There’s no way around that. You either do it there which helps you manage the rest of the game whether you convert or don’t. Or you put the game on the line with just a tying 2 pt try with no time left.

I get what you're saying, but to me, I would have still prefered to go for 2 after the 2nd TD. By missing, you required the use of an onsides which is such a low probability play, and failure ensures the defense comes on the field down by 2 possessions still in bad field position. If they kick the PAT, and make it one score, they can still kick deep and hope for a stop. If they get a stop and another score, there is now momentum on our side having just scored 13 points in a short time, and possibly in the Bears' minds the sense of impending doom that the game could be tied when they had it won. If we miss then, so be it.

15 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

We should have promoted Kellen Moore to co-head coach (the real head coach). And kept Sirianni as the "ceo type”.

If for any reason New Orleans sours on him after this season, we should make that move without blinking an eye.

If Sirianni was gone and Moore was HC this year, do you think him being so changes the O-line or run game. I dont.

Just now, ManuManu said:

It’s not hyper aggressive. It’s simply giving you more information with more time left…

I don't even know what that means, "more information." You get information either way.

And there's absolutely no more time left than if you kick the XP.

Keeping it one possession puts more pressure on the Bears and you just kick the ball off like normal.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Honestly, this is so exhausting. Why do human beings all ignore data?

There are defensive coaching regimes that keep their OCs for up to THREE YEARS. Where people know that EVERY facet of the ENTIRE offense is done by the OC, which can be taken and turned into a head coach. Why do Philadelphia fans alone for some godforsaken reason act like the only possible situation is have Nick either be Kyle Shanahan, where OCs literally don't matter, or face poaching that even DCs don't, and then also put that on Nick?

It honestly doesn't make any sense.

Most of those offenses keep them because people look at the off to say this is not very innovative. Like Joe Brady is still with the Buffalo Bills because teams look at it and say Josh Allen is the reason that that offense functions. Cause with Josh Allen doesn’t look good that offense completely falls apart. Occasionally cook saves them. Allen was great prior to Brady arriving. Furthermore, the Raven their current OC is about to get fired. Because Lamar Jackson’s looked awful all year. Yesterday against the 31st rushing defense they decided to be a pass happy team. Henry got no touches for 2nd quarter after 5 for 33 in the first. Before it became a blowout. This is crap they’ve been doing all Fing year. That’s why he hasn’t gotten hired

Meanwhile, you keep bringing this up, but any offensive coordinator that has great success within the first two years is likely gone unless it’s Nagy who failed already chiefs with mahomes or Brady with the bills and McDaniels who’s failed miserably as a HC twice so he’s been casted as NE forever OC now

Ben Johnson is the outlier in staying at his job by choice. Cause most good offensive coordinators are getting snatched within 3 years if they showed anything. Currently Seattle about to lose klint kubiak after this year. And he was not very good in NO last year prior to this. Add Josh McDaniels to this. And I will bet you he still gets interviews for head coach he does. But the reason why he’s not it’s because he’s been an epic disaster as a head coach twice. And he’s never leaving New England unless it was for a head coaching job. And that’s because every time he failed as a head coach, they brought him back because he’s like family to them.

Let me just point this out you Frank Reich wasn’t some hit commodity when he came to the Eagles. He got fired by the Chargers because they were not happy with that offense and regime change. The Eagles hired him. And two years later, he was gone. Furthermore, Moore when he came to the Eagles had a lot of that shine come off. he was gone a year later.

Let us also bring this up, Bruce Arians was 60 years old when he got the offensive coordinator job for the colts. He wound up being the OC/interim head coach that year in 2012. The very next year at 61 years old he got a head coaching job.

If they go out and hire bevell for 2026. he gets this offense in 2026 to be a top 5 scoring offense and moving the ball up and down the field. I will bet you he has at least 2-3 HC interviews based off the fact alone regardless of how old he is. And if he gets offered a HC job he is not staying.

4 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I get what you're saying, but to me, I would have still prefered to go for 2 after the 2nd TD. By missing, you required the use of an onsides which is such a low probability play, and failure ensures the defense comes on the field down by 2 possessions still in bad field position. If they kick the PAT, and make it one score, they can still kick deep and hope for a stop. If they get a stop and another score, there is now momentum on our side having just scored 13 points in a short time, and possibly in the Bears' minds the sense of impending doom that the game could be tied when they had it won. If we miss then, so be it.

I agree. I thought they should have just kicked the extra point to get within 8 and keep it a 1 score game. Then worry about going for 2 if you can get another TD.

But its probably some analytics BS involved in the decision.

Here's why I'd be ok moving on from Sirianni if this season collapses. I think he's the biggest reason the passing offense sucks. He's the one constant. Aside from 2022, this passing offense has been average or worse.

And the Eagles were able to win the SB last season because the running game was historic and the defense was great. You can't rely on that every year. You can't just accept that you are going to have one aspect of your team be awful and have to make up for it elsewhere. So the solution is obviously to ensure the passing offense is better. If Sirianni is the biggest culprit there, then the solution is to obviously hire a new OC and not let Sirianni have any say in the offense. It's 100% the OC's offense to design and run.

Well, if you get to the point where you're essentially banning your head coach from having any influence in the offense, then what the hell are you even keeping him around for? It seems like everyone is in agreement that anything Sirianni rubs his nose in turns to crap. So you really want your head coach to be a guy who just makes speeches and calls timeouts and throws challenge flags on gameday?

I mean seriously. It's like they need to save the team from the head coach to have success. I don't get how people don't see that as a problem. The only argument for the guy is just essentially the post hoc fallacy that because the team wins a lot of games, he must be great.