2 hours ago, ManuManu said:

I’ve resigned myself to the offense being a trainwreck, but aim really shocked st how feeble the defense was. They got punked.

Fatigue will do that.

Might be premature but Ben Johnson might be the real deal. Didn't realize the Bears have won 9 of their last 10.

Announcers mentioned how Byard told them that Johnson ran an extremely tough, physical camp. I remember last year after some games where the Eagles didn't look too good that Sirianni ran some more physical practices with pads on. Maybe he needs to do more of that.

2 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

I’m not saying one bad thing about the defense today, even though they had a bad day.

They’re worn out, and probably don’t give a F anymore because they know there’s no hope with this offense and coaching staff.

Not that it’s ok, but these are humans. They are only going to put it all out there for so long with the offense hanging them out to dry like this.

They gave the offense the ball on the plus side of the field with the score 10-9 (because of the missed PAT). And all the offense really had to do was not turn the ball over and they would have gotten 3 points to take the lead. And the offense turned it over on yet another failed Tush Push... and the game was over.

Nothing will motivate Lurie more than booing fans leaving early in the second half.

5 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Might be premature but Ben Johnson might be the real deal. Didn't realize the Bears have won 9 of their last 10.

Announcers mentioned how Byard told them that Johnson ran an extremely tough, physical camp. I remember last year after some games where the Eagles didn't look too good that Sirianni ran some more physical practices with pads on. Maybe he needs to do more of that.

JMO, but I don’t think practice physicality is the issue. The defense is just completely beaten down right now. Mentally, they have no room for error. The offense is turning the ball over, 3 and outs, and can never respond when they give up scores. Physically, they are exhausted. Always on the field. Hitting more in practice won’t fix that.

And the offense…the OL can’t even practice.

2 hours ago, eagle45 said:

I’m all for an extension, just not for DPOY type money. This year he hasn’t been very disruptive. Just a nice dt that collapses the pocket and takes double teams. We should all want that. And want to extend him for it. But mega contract? Hell no.

Escalator clauses.

18 minutes ago, EagleJoe8 said:

I get what you're saying, but to me, I would have still prefered to go for 2 after the 2nd TD. By missing, you required the use of an onsides which is such a low probability play, and failure ensures the defense comes on the field down by 2 possessions still in bad field position. If they kick the PAT, and make it one score, they can still kick deep and hope for a stop. If they get a stop and another score, there is now momentum on our side having just scored 13 points in a short time, and possibly in the Bears' minds the sense of impending doom that the game could be tied when they had it won. If we miss then, so be it.

I can understand both sides. In the moment, I wanted to just kick it. The more I thought about it, it made more sense to go. An onsides kick is low probability but if they miss converting on the 2nd TD they may not even have the opportunity for an onsides kick.

I view it as ripping a band aid off. Just do it and get it over with.

6 minutes ago, 315Eagles said:

Might be premature but Ben Johnson might be the real deal. Didn't realize the Bears have won 9 of their last 10.

Announcers mentioned how Byard told them that Johnson ran an extremely tough, physical camp. I remember last year after some games where the Eagles didn't look too good that Sirianni ran some more physical practices with pads on. Maybe he needs to do more of that.

I mean they also went 9-1 cause this was their first opponent they face that was over .500 during the stretch. they barely survived games against bengals (minus burrow), Steelers with mason rudolph, giants with jameis and jj McCarthy. Sadly all those offenses somehow managed to look better than the eagles. He’s done a good job with the offense gearing it towards a lions lite offense.

But really today and last week showed me, this is 100% eagles problem. Because the Bears defense is not good and neither is Dallas. the Eagles consistently can’t do anything against either one of them outside of like 3 possessions every game. It’s been this for a large portions since the bye it doesn’t matter if it’s a horrendous defense or good. That’s who they’ve become.

I'm seeing a lot of anger at the two point conversion. This just feels like something to be pissed at because people want to keep on ranting about more and more things because it's cathartic. That game was long gone by then. And honestly, they are lucky the score wasn't worse. They were never winning that game. They came into the game totally unprepared, nitpicking that decision feels like just that.

12 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Here's why I'd be ok moving on from Sirianni if this season collapses. I think he's the biggest reason the passing offense sucks. He's the one constant. Aside from 2022, this passing offense has been average or worse.

And the Eagles were able to win the SB last season because the running game was historic and the defense was great. You can't rely on that every year. You can't just accept that you are going to have one aspect of your team be awful and have to make up for it elsewhere. So the solution is obviously to ensure the passing offense is better. If Sirianni is the biggest culprit there, then the solution is to obviously hire a new OC and not let Sirianni have any say in the offense. It's 100% the OC's offense to design and run.

Well, if you get to the point where you're essentially banning your head coach from having any influence in the offense, then what the hell are you even keeping him around for? It seems like everyone is in agreement that anything Sirianni rubs his nose in turns to crap. So you really want your head coach to be a guy who just makes speeches and calls timeouts and throws challenge flags on gameday?

I mean seriously. It's like they need to save the team from the head coach to have success. I don't get how people don't see that as a problem. The only argument for the guy is just essentially the post hoc fallacy that because the team wins a lot of games, he must be great.

Ideally, they move on from Siri and Hurts at the same time. Hurts is a bad passer. No need to debate it. They need a special weird offense to be successful with Hurts. And transitioning between OCs every year obscures that issue. It’s like each one needs to figure out how to optimize that on their own. The better the running game, the easier it is to do that. Siri, for all his CEO-ness, is at least a bridge between Hurts and the OC merry-go-round.

Reinventing the wheel with Hurts and a completely new coaching staff is just going to fire this team straight into purgatory. They are just going to take their passing scheme and playbook, take a year or 2 to figure out Hurts is, in fact, a crappy passer. And then it’ll be 2-3 years from now and we’ll be debating if those coaches should get to work with the new qb we are drafting since the offense sucked with them for 2 years or if we should get another new staff.

BDN has a good point in the offensive staff getting together to create a cohesive game plan between run game and pass game. The whole thing feels disjointed and like nothing makes sense together. Yeah it is play calling but it is also the overall game plan.

The Bears have a legit OL and run blocking scheme. Those holes were massive. They have so much more creativity in the run game, let alone in the pass game.

Personally I’m more irritated by this loss today than the one against DAL. There was quite a bit of luck and favorable officiating that went the Turds way. Today, no one played well. No defensive adjustments were made at the half, seemingly. They had a good chance to steal this game today when they got momentum, then Hurts fumbled it away. Another really poor game from Hurts — he’s been stacking them up, chips on chips.

This team just isn’t as good as last year’s. Whine about coaching and scheme all you like but Barkley, Hurts, Dickerson and Jurgens are all having down seasons after the high of last year. This defense is good, but also several notches below where they finished last season. The defense won the Super Bowl last season. They don’t look strong enough to do it again.

Spoke to a few friends who are impartial fans outside the NFC East and their consensus is Hurts not using his legs is a huge issue with the Eagles offense. One comment I got was "very few QBs in today’s NFL are good enough to win without using their mobility as a weapon. Stafford stands out right now as one of the few. Hurts is never going to be a player who can.”

The quickest path out of this is getting rid of Siri, hurts and patullo. Super Bowl was great but that was a perfect storm of a dominant running game, great defense and a coordinator that knew how to get the most out of Hurts. The injuries to the O-line certainly have not helped, but you shouldn't need perfection from every other facet of the team to win games. Need to be able to throw the ball consistently and this team can't do it as currently constructed.

2 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Uncompetitive.

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

Some needs to hit Hurts with their truck in the parking lot. No permit damage needed, just out 6-8 weeks should do it

I think the primary goal of the offseason needs to be mitigating and divesting from their cap dollars sunk into this offense. The magnitude of cap hit for what will eventually be a bottom 5 offense this year is unconscionable. Free up as many cap $$ as possible from that side of the ball and allocate it towards keeping this defense together.

And it’s time to draft offense, offense, offense. I’d lean hard OL. I’d stay away from WR until we have a passing situation that will utilize them. TEs have long careers in general and in Philly…so that’s a prime target too. OL/TE kind of draft.

I'm sure it's been said butI'm not going tolook for it: Hurts was terrible today.

2 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

@AmericanEagle77 This is what is pissing people off. There's no reason that the offensive talent on this team should be anything close to this level of ineptitude.

Again, I can understand both sides somewhat. And I think ultimately the decision doesn’t even matter when the clock ticks 0.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

The Bears have a legit OL and run blocking scheme. Those holes were massive. They have so much more creativity in the run game, let alone in the pass game.

The untouchable Jeff Stoutland is the Eagles run game coordinator. Why isn't he getting any blame? The OL has been trash (yes, injuries), but I feel like the approach has just been awful.

We were beat by the Bears. And it's not even the most embarrassing possible loss we can/have face this season. I hope that wakes the FO up

I think Fangio had absolutely zero confidence in his secondary today. Blankenship is an awesome leader and conductor out there when there are 3 studs. When things are strained, he’s not really a fast enough or smooth enough pure cover guy and you see him struggle. With Jackson and Brown playing like crap, Vic had no confidence.

He just refused to strengthen the box today. He preferred relentless 5-10 yard chunks on the ground and bending and not breaking too much because I think he expected them to go over Jackson and Brown with disastrous ease the second he adjusted to stiffen up against the rush attack.