1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

The untouchable Jeff Stoutland is the Eagles run game coordinator. Why isn't he getting any blame? The OL has been trash (yes, injuries), but I feel like the approach has just been awful.

The approach needs to be Jurgens and Dickerson not playing until they are far healthier than this.

7 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Uncompetitive.

I have a hard time blaming defense. They aren’t being helped out at all by the offense. They aren’t helped out at all by ST’s recently. It’s a team sport and when one foundation is broken, the entire building falls apart. 2023 the defense fell apart and hit the offense. We’re seeing the inverse of that.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The approach needs to be Jurgens and Dickerson not playing until they are far healthier than this.

Agreed. That play where Dickerson got walked 4 yards back was painful to watch. Just one thing after the other.

The defense is getting too much of a pass because of the situation the offense puts them in. Yes, they're being left out to dry by so many 3 and outs, but they just got manhandled two games in a row. From drive one and on. They were flat-out bullied.

The 2 pointer was irrelevant. They needed one 2 point conversion after TD and one XP after TD. Miss a 2pt conversion and it’s over. Go for it now, go for it later. It doesn’t matter. Maybe you get more momentum by getting it now rather than saving the heavy lifting for later. That call was the least of the issues.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I have a hard time blaming defense. They aren’t being helped out at all by the offense. They aren’t helped out at all by ST’s recently. It’s a team sport and when one foundation is broken, the entire building falls apart. 2023 the defense fell apart and hit the offense. We’re seeing the inverse of that.

I’m just not at all interested in giving a pass to a unit that got its collective arse whipped in the run game. That is about toughness, competitiveness and discipline. We had none of that today.

1 minute ago, schuy7 said:

The defense is getting too much of a pass because of the situation the offense puts them in. Yes, they're being left out to dry by so many 3 and outs, but they just got manhandled two games in a row. From drive one and on. They were flat-out bullied.

Played 2 very good offenses in the last 2 weeks and 2 hot garbage defenses.

2 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

Bears ran 85 plays. Defense was just on the field too much vs Dallas, and after just 4 days of rest had to play another 85 snaps.

Hope they can recover enough before next week.

And screw the NFL for giving the Eagles two Thursday games and a Friday game. (Granted the first Thursday game wasn't a 'short week', but it was still outside the regular rhythm of the season.). No excuse for that type of schedule other than the greed of more days for games.

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

Theres an issue I have had with the offense every year since Hurts has been playing. And this isnt directly on Hurts. The issue is that for a QB who can extend with his legs, this offense has NEVER been good at scramble drills.

I have said for years, the entire Seattle offense in their super bowl era was Russell Wilson scrambling and chucking down field to a WR on a scramble drill. His WRs would take off on go routes and they hit countless big plays, out of structure. Never felt Russell was an elite QB mainly because they never had a real, functioning offense. He just found easy yards because of his WRs knowing when to take off down field, and being good at coming down with the ball. But also, often being wide open because of the scramble drill.

Our WRs for many of Hurts early years seemed coached to just block because he never kept his eyes down field to throw. If he scrambled, he was going to run and thats that.

As he has developed (to the minimal extent that he has ever developed anything about his passing game) he will now OCCASIONALLY keep his eyes down the field to look to pass. And... at best, our WRs look conflicted about whether to block, or take off down field.

This brings us to today. I dont know who the short WR was, and who was the WR running the crosser. But the short WR actually took off upfield!!! And Hurts actually threw it! The problem was, that WRs scramble drill ran him right in to the area of the WR coming over on the crosser.

People stupidly complained about Patullo's offense having 2 WRs in the same area. Because people have consistently placed blame upon the wrong person all season long. That wasnt Patullo's design.

The issue is that after all of these years, it seems no coach has ironed out with out WR corps exactly what is supposed to happen. Who will try to settle down in to an open spot. Who will come back to the QB. Who will take off. Or, should they just block? They have no clue. There is no consistency to it. And we have left countless, literally countless yards and points off the board over the years because of this important lack of detail which should be an OBVIOUS coaching point when you have had a mobile QB since, forever.

Is this the place to come to say, "I told you so"

Homers, suck it.

Apologists, suck it

Hurts dick riders, suck it

AJ haters, suck it

You people who think you are sooooo intelligent...morons, all of you, suck it!

4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

I’m just not at all interested in giving a pass to a unit that got its collective arse whipped in the run game. That is about toughness, competitiveness and discipline. We had none of that today.

Fair enough. They don’t get a pass, I just understand why given how many plays the Cowboys and Bears ran against them on a short week. It’s the same thing we saw against Giants on a short week.

7 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Played 2 very good offenses in the last 2 weeks and 2 hot garbage defenses.

4 pretty to very good offenses, 3 hot garbage defenses

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

By the way, if its 65 million dead money to trade Hurts, or similar to trade AJ Brown, it sounds like a bargain to offload Hurts and Id encourage the team to do that in a heartbeat. Money well spent fi they still have McKee here ready to take over. That 65 million buys you more super bowls in that case.

The no trade clause doesnt mean he cant be traded. I dont see why Hurts would be difficult about getting traded out of here. A place where he has been reported to have a rocky relationship with the HC. Where he has a ruined relationship with his best friend, star WR. A place where he has been labeled a system QB by the media. And where he has been afforded almost 0 stability on offense with a new OC every year.

Hurts has won super bowls here. But its not been easy. Its not been a really great scenario for him.

I almost think he would welcome an opportunity to prove himself outside of the confines of the so called Siri offense. Maybe he wont go to some of the absolute bottom feeders of the NFL, but I bet itd be fairly easy to find a team he agrees to.

2 hours ago, vikas83 said:

Well, at least I won't waste time and money going to the game at SoFi next week. Let's just get 2 things out of the way:

1. Jalen Hurts isn't getting cut or traded. It's like $116 million in dead money to cut him, and $65 million to trade him (and he has a no trade clause). He's the QB in 2026 no matter what.

2. Nick Sirianni isn't getting fired one year after winning a championship. In 4 years he went to 2 Super Bowls and won one of them, and even if they miss the playoffs this year, there's no way they move on. If for no other reason, good luck attracting a top replacement if you're firing a guy 12 months after winning the Super Bowl.

The team is done, however. The snaps have caught up to the defense, and we run a high school offense. We've seen these players run a more complicated system, and yes the line hasn't been great, but it's still just painful to watch. Switching play caller may not mean much with this idiotic play design (on Hurts INT, AJ was shockingly running a curl route before they went scramble drill, and the DB was all over it). I really don't expect anything to change until the offseason.

This is all fact. They went from maybe the worst defense in football in 2023 to the best in 2024. So that’s sign for hope for the offense. The defense will take another personnel hit this offseason with still more un-singable excellent players headed for more bigger money to less cap strapped teams. And I don’t think a clean turnaround to true championship contending status is possible for this offense with one offseason.

Someone better than Patullo? Sure. Goedert and Lane need to be replaced. And who knows with AJ? It’s going to be really hard to get this offense where it needs to be in one offseason, especially when anticipating more next talent efflux on defense that needs to be offset.

17 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I think Fangio had absolutely zero confidence in his secondary today. Blankenship is an awesome leader and conductor out there when there are 3 studs. When things are strained, he’s not really a fast enough or smooth enough pure cover guy and you see him struggle. With Jackson and Brown playing like crap, Vic had no confidence.

He just refused to strengthen the box today. He preferred relentless 5-10 yard chunks on the ground and bending and not breaking too much because I think he expected them to go over Jackson and Brown with disastrous ease the second he adjusted to stiffen up against the rush attack.

He also has a bad wheel... and his safety partner today was a train wreck.

76ers won. so we have that going for us.

The Giants and the Bears both bullied this team like I haven't seen them bullied in quite some time. Embarrassing.

19 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Again, I can understand both sides somewhat

I don't even get the other side of it other than the emotional angle of being down "only one score" but then not knowing if you need two more scores or just one. It's like saying you'd rather start with the ball first in NCAA OT rules because of the emotional aspect of "having a lead" if you score on your first possession. Any college coach would be destroyed if they won the toss but then decided to take the ball first. I don't see how this is any different.

15 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

@AmericanEagle77 This is what is pissing people off. There's no reason that the offensive talent on this team should be anything close to this level of ineptitude.

My issue consistently with him is his plan which he doesn’t view faults in it as well. He wants to hire somebody to be an offensive coordinator who’s just determined to stay as an OC or at stage of their career where will be here for 3-4 years.

Issue is this, if they hired that guy in 2026 and the offense becomes a top five scoring offense and they’re moving the ball up and down the field, I guarantee that the offensive coordinator is going to get head coaching interviews. Particularly because we’ve all seen how bad the offense has looked in 2025 so that would be a drastic turnaround. if he gets offered a head coaching job, there is a high likelihood he’s leaving. (Ben Johnson is about the only one that has turned down ones because he knew he could have his choice the following off-season).

In theory, it sounds great hire this guy who’s gonna stick around for a while, has a lot of NFL coaching experience and can help Nick Sirianni out because he’s not as coveted at the moment by the rest of the nfl. I bring these two points up, Bruce Arians when he took over being the OC and then became the interim coach for the Colts in 2012, wasn’t some highly coveted offensive coordinator. The colts probably thought he was gonna stick around for a while at 60 years to help out pagano. And yet by the end of that season, he had multiple teams wanting him to be a head coach and hired as one. Some of that is the job he did as interim and some he had offense playing well. The Eagles when they hired Frank reich, he was not ultra coveted around the league. The Chargers had a regime change and they frankly weren’t in love with him and they let him go. Yet two years later after an improbable run, Frank Reich at 57 years old was hired to be a head coach.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

76ers won. so we have that going for us.

One team won't play a guy for a month because he has an ingrown pimple. The other team will run a guy out there with a severed arm.

They're like bizarro world versions of one another.

18 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What's wrong with half the guys on offense running one play, while the other half are doing something completely different?

14 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

The defense is getting too much of a pass because of the situation the offense puts them in. Yes, they're being left out to dry by so many 3 and outs, but they just got manhandled two games in a row. From drive one and on. They were flat-out bullied.

Agree. It would be one thing if they held up for a while and then the dam broke but they’ve been getting blown off the ball from the jump.

They did come up with some turnovers that the offense did nothing with though.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

My issue consistently with him is his plan which he doesn’t view faults in it as well. He wants to hire somebody to be an offensive coordinator who’s just determined to stay as an OC or at stage of their career where will be here for 3-4 years.

Issue is this, if they hired that guy in 2026 and the offense becomes a top five scoring offense and they’re moving the ball up and down the field, I guarantee that the offensive coordinator is going to get head coaching interviews. Particularly because we’ve all seen how bad the offense has looked in 2025 so that would be a drastic turnaround. if he gets offered a head coaching job, there is a high likelihood he’s leaving. (Ben Johnson is about the only one that has turned down ones because he knew he could have his choice the following off-season).

In theory, it sounds great hire this guy who’s gonna stick around for a while, has a lot of NFL coaching experience and can help Nick Sirianni out because he’s not as coveted at the moment by the rest of the nfl. I bring these two points up, Bruce Arians when he took over being the OC and then became the interim coach for the Colts in 2012, wasn’t some highly coveted offensive coordinator. The colts probably thought he was gonna stick around for a while at 60 years to help out pagano. And yet by the end of that season, he had multiple teams wanting him to be a head coach and hired as one. Some of that is the job he did as interim and some he had offense playing well. The Eagles when they hired Frank reich, he was not ultra coveted around the league. The Chargers had a regime change and they frankly weren’t in love with him and they let him go. Yet two years later after an improbable run, Frank Reich at 57 years old was hired to be a head coach.

Pete Carroll is back as a HC now too, so age isn't the impediment it once was. And teams just want offensive HCs more than defensive.

3 hours ago, devpool said:

No one expected the run game to go for 2k again, but with these weapons it shouldn't have to and it was expected that they would course correct to a balanced attack. You have smitty and AJ, saquon, and goeddert, hell even Dotson. There is no excuse for the offense to be this bad, at all.

A dynasty is expected because the defense is phenomenal and the offense is has the talent to be top 10.

You are dead right on the offense

But dead wrong on the expectations. Repeating is incredibly difficult. Talk of a dynasty after winning one title is rather insane