1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

So if it didn't magically convert on the second attempt then the failed conversion never happened because it was never attempted? Ah yes, I forgot that losing by 8 is much better than losing by 9. My apologies.

This is where any real discussion ends because you are so clueless, your strawmen make literally no sense at all. Words are put in peoples mouths to try to explain basic things to you that were never said and it just sucks to even talk with you because you are so stupid.

Just now, BDawk_ASamuel said:

Maybe don’t be so particularly. his stubbornness, arrogance and in ability to adapt/fix the offense is proving he really doesn’t.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

This is where any real discussion ends because you are so clueless, your strawmen make literally no sense at all. Words are put in peoples mouths to try to explain basic things to you that were never said and it just sucks to even talk with you because you are so stupid.

Sounds like someone's mad because they're finally realizing they're wrong. It's ok, I'm just happy you got there in the end.

I’m really starting to get the feeling that 2023 exposed Sirianni as a coach with no answers offensively and 2024 was a perfect storm of Howie having an epic offseason, Barkley having the best RB season ever, Fangio getting the best defense in franchise history, and it kinda delayed the inevitable by a year. But now that the running game has fallen and the defense isn’t as good, Sirianni looks like he did in 2023 again.

I think he’s a coach who is completely out of answers on how to construct an elite offense and has been for multiple seasons now and got extremely lucky last season so many things went right for him.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

I think people really underestimate how awful Patullo is. He’s not even qualified to be a position coach, and he has the keys to THIS roster on offense.

He’s been quickly removed from every position coach job he’s ever had. Put into vague roles after. He’s probably great at the "associate head coach” part of his job, organizing meetings and "pitching in” ideas. He has never shown he can lead anything.

It’s a next level bad hire. So many people have a share of the blame, but Patullo’s share is the biggest followed by Sirianni.

Reich certainly didn’t try to keep him when Sirriani was hired

Siri's comments about not changing the play caller because its never just 1 person leave me hoping its just coach speak because the game literally just ended and he is not ready to announce any changes like that yet.

Just because it is a lot of things doest mean you dont go about fixing what you can. I think thats obvious and he knows that.

He is either going to do it ,or he is suffering from paralysis by analysis and needs the bosses to step in and do what should be obvious.

This convo about the 2 pt timing is ridiculous. You go for it when they did. One was needed regardless. Going early tells you how to play the next defensive series. Do you tell the D to tackle at all costs, do you tell them to prioritize forcing a turnover, how do you approach the kick off, do you blitz, do you press on 3rd, do you play zone, do you play man, how do you use your remaining time outs and play the clock, etc etc? It’s common sense 🤣

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Sounds like someone's mad because they're finally realizing they're wrong. It's ok, I'm just happy you got there in the end.

No Im positive Im not wrong so thats not it.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

No Im positive Im not wrong so thats not it.

Mmkay

1 minute ago, Wentz_Era said:

It’s common sense

You would think, but apparently far too uncommon around these parts, we're finding out.

Last week Sirianni said he’s not benching anyone.

Today he says he’s not changing the play caller.

He says every week the scheme isn’t the problem it’s execution.

This is a coach who is in denial at best and an egomaniac at worst who has shown no desire to change anything. Honestly, if they don’t change it this week so we can see what it looks like against a real team, I’d rather they not change it at all because I don’t want to do it when it’s too late and then think about the entire offseason that if they would’ve done it sooner they could’ve made a run.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

This convo about the 2 pt timing is ridiculous. You go for it when they did. One was needed regardless. Going early tells you how to play the next defensive series. Do you tell the D to tackle at all costs, do you tell them to prioritize forcing a turnover, how do you approach the kick off, do you blitz, do you press on 3rd, do you play zone, do you play man, how do you use your remaining time outs and play the clock, etc etc? It’s common sense 🤣

Thats like burning all of your timeouts in the 1st 3 seconds of the 2nd half because you knew youd have to take them regardless.

There are things that may need to be done, and there are still right times and wrong times to do them. Can you imagine a scenario where blowing all of your timeouts too early for no reason would hurt your chances to win at the end of the game? Its the same thing here. Going for that 2PC too early and not converting it immediately lost them that game. With an XP there, they potentially have a chance to tie the game at the end with a 2PC then instead. Missing it guaranteed theyd never get that chance. They called it at the wrong time and it hurt their chances of winning this game.

Is burning all of your timeouts immediately also common sense?

2 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

You would think, but apparently far too uncommon around these parts, we're finding out.

If you only knew...

7 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

I dont think anyone thinks that, or implied it. But, it would mean that the failed one never actually happened.

Its almost like you guys think the failed one there would have automatically happened again in the exact same way if they kicked an XP then and tried the 2PC later.

Could have ended up being an entirely different play call, personnel grouping, Chicago D more tired after another drive. Maybe chicago commits a penalty or something and gives you a closer shot, or a 2nd shot at it. Literally anything could have happened. Just because we saw one fail doesnt mean we were destined to see it fail if they tried it later instead.

And still, thats beside the point. Focusing on that misses the point completely. The right call was whatever made it more likely that we get that point to even have a shot at attempting it. We never got there because of the wrong decision.

This is where the analytics robots lose me because they don’t take the flow of the game, momentum, and the fact the defense gave up almost 300 yards on the ground into consideration and the likelihood of them getting two stops is not in their favor.

Going for 2 after the first TD and missing it all but ends the game. The goal there is to extend the game by any means and then worry about converting a 2 point conversion if you score again. That’s a scenario you want to be in. The defense for going for 2 after the first TD is that "you at least know what you have to do moving forward” which comes down to relying on an onsides kick which is pretty much impossible. Technically 4.7% if you’re going by the end of October numbers. Do you want to rely on those odds?

Taking the XP and making it an 8 point game gives you momentum back, it brings the energy back into the crowd, it gives the defense juice, and it allows you to kick the ball deep and play from there.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I’m really starting to get the feeling that 2023 exposed Sirianni as a coach with no answers offensively and 2024 was a perfect storm of Howie having an epic offseason, Barkley having the best RB season ever, Fangio getting the best defense in franchise history, and it kinda delayed the inevitable by a year. But now that the running game has fallen and the defense isn’t as good, Sirianni looks like he did in 2023 again.

I think he’s a coach who is completely out of answers on how to construct an elite offense and has been for multiple seasons now and got extremely lucky last season so many things went right for him.

Sirriani is a coach with no answers offensively. That’s been obvious for a while. He needs to take a further step back from the offense this offseason

Guys, I may wish to be cremated. With that known, Id prefer to do that at the end of my life. I know its going to need to be done anyway. But Id rather not do it right now. Id prefer to actually live to the the end of my life first. We dont know when my life will end, but we dont have to make the decision to burn me up now so that at least we know Im dead. I know some of you think its common sense to incinerate me right now since it will need to be done anyway. But youd be wrong.

2 minutes ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

This is where the analytics robots lose me because they don’t take the flow of the game, momentum, and the fact the defense gave up almost 300 yards on the ground into consideration.

Going for 2 after the first TD and missing it all but ends the game. The goal there is to extend the game by any means and then worry about converting a 2 point conversion if you score again. That’s a scenario you want to be in. The defense for going for 2 after the first TD is that "you at least know what you have to do moving forward” which comes down to relying on an onsides kicks which is pretty much impossible. Technically 4.7% if you’re going by the end of October numbers. Do you want to rely on those odds?

Taking the XP and making it an 8 point game gives you momentum back, it brings the energy back into the crowd, it gives the defense juice, and it allows you to kick the ball deep and play from there.

Yeah. Its like, well damn winning just became next to impossible because we made an idiotic decision, but at least we know! Guess thats preferrable to, hey we still have a chance! And we know that too!

3 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats like burning all of your timeouts in the 1st 3 seconds of the 2nd half because you knew youd have to take them regardless.

There are things that may need to be done, and there are still right times and wrong times to do them. Can you imagine a scenario where blowing all of your timeouts too early for no reason would hurt your chances to win at the end of the game? Its the same thing here. Going for that 2PC too early and not converting it immediately lost them that game. With an XP there, they potentially have a chance to tie the game at the end with a 2PC then instead. Missing it guaranteed theyd never get that chance. They called it at the wrong time and it hurt their chances of winning this game.

Is burning all of your timeouts immediately also common sense?

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sirriani is a coach with no answers offensively. That’s been obvious for a while. He needs to take a further step back from the offense this offseason

At that point there’s no reason to keep him on as a coach. If you are essentially blocking him from influencing anything on offense, which I think is the right move btw, then you have to ask yourself what are they paying him for? I wouldn’t want to keep a coach I think so little of that I’m essentially banning him from influencing the offense and game plans.

At that point just go out and get a new head coach. Someone who can call plays so you don’t have to worry about losing your play caller and schemer every year. And finally get Hurts some continuity.

Just now, Wentz_Era said:

maybe see my cremation analogy? Perhaps that one will help?

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Sirriani is a coach with no answers offensively. That’s been obvious for a while. He needs to take a further step back from the offense this offseason

If he takes another step back then what is he really doing? Because if they collapse to end this year (which right now is trending that way), it would be 2 at the last 3 years you’ve had a massive collapse. The one year you didn’t it was Vic Fangio having the defense be tops in the league and historic run game. So you’re gonna need a historic running game and the defense to be the number 1 defense in the league to get your offense to be as functional enough to win a Super Bowl?

It won’t happen this offseason but if they have same issues in 2026, the questions of if his success is a byproduct of Howie and lurie giving him an elite roster and picking coaches like Moore and fangio. Not of his offensive playbook/design and his philosophy

If he takes a step back then he’s being a head coach. What does John Harbaugh do?

Anyway sure if he can’t hire a good OC and they suck next year he’d be gone but there’s a way to go before the.

Another thing to think of is if Lurie goes to Sirianni in the offseason and tells Sirianni that he can’t have any influence on the offense anymore, is he just gonna take it? I could very see him trying to say no I won a Super Bowl I get to have a say and them reaching an impasse and mutually parting ways. Kinda like what happened with Doug.

And I also think Lurie is going to be wary of hiring an OC where if he’s great he knows he’s gonna be gone in a year. He’s gotta be tired of doing that. If that happens it would make it 6 years in a row Hurts will have had a brand new OC. That’s not good.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

If he takes a step back then he’s being a head coach. What does John Harbaugh do?

Anyway sure if he can’t hire a good OC and they suck next year he’d be gone but there’s a way to go before the.

I’d argue John harbaugh deserves to be fired cause that offense is a mess and his teams like the eagles continuously shoot themselves in the foot. They’ve blown a ton of games due to stupid penalties or just low IQ football. It hasn’t helped the ravens by him doing that as that offense has seemingly regressed and he has no answers either. they need a better OC or a HC tha can fix it. They have neither currently. For instance yesterday against the 31st ranked defense Henry had 33 yards on 5 carries in the 1st quarter. He had 0 carries in the 2nd

10 minutes ago, Wentz_Era said: