Said this during the game, young was out there and he was Fing awful all game

4 hours ago, Iggles25 said:

This is the worst Eagles offense since 2005.

That would be the Mike McMahon led Eagles.

Yikes.

Considering this offense has its starting qb, I feel like that drops it below any offense that is statistically worse but flopped with QB2 or 3 taking over due to injury. An Eagles offense this bad with its starting qb? Relative to the rest of the nfl? I feel like it has to be 1998.

I’m sorry, but if your team is willing to quit on you 2 out of 3 seasons, then you deserve to be fired. IDC if you made a magical Super Bowl run in between those 2 seasons.

There is so much bad to talk about its hard to decide where to start. For now, I'll just say that the entire thing was started by the DL not being able to stop the gashing runs and Fangio not committing to playing a 5 man line even if Davis is the only true noseguard. The Bears had the ball for nearly 40 minutes. Yes, the O sucked but that gashing was on the D and started with the very first drive.

I've seen/heard a lot of chatter blaming the O from a cumulative perspective. Over the last three games prior to last night this is what we find. With the bye the week before that I don't really see the argument about the cumulative beat down on the D due to the O not performing.

Packers - Eagles with the small edge in TOP with 32 minutes. Pack ran 66 plays and Eagles 60.

Lions - Eagles with the solid edge in TOP with 36 minutes. Lions ran 60 plays and Eagles 69.

Cowboys - Basically even TOP (slightly in Eagles favor). Boys ran 68 plays and Eagles 58.

When the Bears have the football for 40mins, it's not the defenses fault. The offense has no ability to dictate the pace of the game. The fact that this coaching staff has their head stuck so far up their own arse has me checking out. Their refusal to even make a change to try to spur something is mind boggling. I'm okay if you make a mistake, and then admit to it, and find a solution. I'm not ok if you keep doing the same thing over and over expecting a different result.

I've been emotionally dead the last couple of games. I love watching my Eagles. I'll continue watching because I love our defense and want to support our players but frankly I'm done with this staff. If Siri refuses to make a change then throw him out with the OC.

32 minutes ago, DrPhilly said:

There is so much bad to talk about it’s hard to decide where to start. For now, I'll just say that the entire thing was started by the DL not being able to stop the gashing runs and Fangio not committing to playing a 5 man line even if Davis is the only true noseguard. The Bears had the ball for nearly 40 minutes. Yes, the O sucked but that gashing was on the D and started with the very first drive.

That’s my view about yesterday’s game as well. I get all the talk about the defense being tired and just mentally drained for picking up the slack of this putrid offense, but they caused their own problems against the Bears. There was no energy from the D from the start. They were physically beaten up right from the start and had no answers. When you look at way they gave up all those rushing yards, it’s even worse to me. It wasn’t because the Bears had a couple of 60/70 yard runs to get to their total, but a constant 7 to 9 yards per attempt. That puts the D out there for ages, as they can’t get off the field. It demoralized the entire group and Fangio did nothing to change that.

The offense sucks and we have known that for weeks. The defense has held down the fort, but even with that said, they have had issues with stopping the run all year. I’ve pointed that out even when we’ve won. Dean’s play improved the run D for a couple of games, but in general it’s not enough. Even Dallas was able to consistently run against us, but the stops on 4th down masked over that.

Stopping the run is still the most important element in having success. Look at the bad defenses. Most of the time they are horrible at stopping the run. If our D doesn’t fix that, the season will spiral like 23… it’s already started 🤷‍♂️

2 minutes ago, Frankfurteagle89 said:

That’s my view about yesterday’s game as well. I get all the talk about the defense being tired and just mentally drained for picking up the slack of this putrid offense, but they caused their own problems against the Bears. There was no energy from the D from the start. They were physically beaten up right from the start and had no answers. When you look at way they gave up all those rushing yards, it’s even worse to me. It wasn’t because the Bears had a couple of 60/70 yard runs to get to their total, but a constant 7 to 9 yards per attempt. That puts the D out there for ages, as they can’t get off the field. It demoralized the entire group and Fangio did nothing to change that.

The offense sucks and we have known that for weeks. The defense has held down the fort, but even with that said, they have had issues with stopping the run all year. I’ve pointed that out even when we’ve won. Dean’s play improved the run D for a couple of games, but in general it’s not enough. Even Dallas was able to consistently run against us, but the stops on 4th down masked over that.

Stopping the run is still the most important element in having success. Look at the bad defenses. Most of the time they are horrible at stopping the run. If our D doesn’t fix that, the season will spiral like 23… it’s already started 🤷‍♂️

Yes, and check my post again as I updated it with some numbers. btw - Dean was horrible yesterday. The Bears do have an excellent interior OL so the DTs were never going to dominate like they usually do in this game.

9 hours ago, 315Eagles said:

If Sirianni was gone and Moore was HC this year, do you think him being so changes the O-line or run game. I dont.

Yes - this offense would be substantially better - would have taken off from the Super Bowl performance.

From my understanding, this is basically what has happened over the past 2 years:

• Kellen Moore was brought in as offensive coordinator to make this a more exciting, pass-first offense after the horrendous collapse of the 2023 season.

• Eventually, Sirianni (not sure how much or if Hurts was even involved) told (or came to an agreement with Moore to keep it a run first offense, similar to Sirianni’s offense)

• Kellen Moore - instead of developing a more creative/complex passing attack as the primary offense- focused more on developing more creative and complex running schemes - with the passing game Complimenting the run-first offense

• When Moore took the head coaching job in New Orleans, Sirianni got "his guy” promoted - and we basically went back to Siranni’s vanilla style, run first offense

• Kellen Moore would have stayed with his much more complex/creative run first offense

• Kellen Moore would have implemented counters to defenses countering our offensive schemes this year (something Patullo and Sirianni are incapable of doing apparently)

• Other than injuries, the biggest decline of the offensive line is the lack of the creative blocking schemes Moore implemented along with the counters Moore implemented and when to use certain blocking schemes in the run game etc etc

• Another major issue is the play calling - Moore would have called specific running plays vs passing plays at the right moments and timing, etc - Patullo and/or Sirianni always seem to call the worst play at the worst time - Moore rarely, if ever did that

8 hours ago, GoEagles614 said:

AJ stuff is overblown. He’s saying what we’re all thinking. Struggling to get elite players the ball and functional offense should be complained about by every player publicly until the owner or HC makes a fundamental change.

Definitely not overblown. If anything it’s "underblown”.

I’m fully convinced we are in full 2023 spiral. So much so that I’d be shocked if we still even hold on to win the division at this point.

And if that holds true, I genuinely want Sirriani gone. Hurts can play the first 4 games next year under new leadership, and if he isn’t better, he can go too.

Although, I firmly believe that he would be better with a real offensive coach. He will always have quirks and some limitations, but he is not this bad.

With all of the talent….un-fing-believable.

2 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

I’m fully convinced we are in full 2023 spiral. So much so that I’d be shocked if we still even hold on to win the division at this point.

And if that holds true, I genuinely want Sirriani gone. Hurts can play the first 4 games next year under new leadership, and if he isn’t better, he can go too.

If this is the case - then under no circumstances would they trade McKee, if Hurts has that short of a leash

If they plan on sticking with Hurts no matter what, then we might see McKee get traded.

Imagine an actual HC saying this. Then defiantly declaring the OC is not the problem. Hoo boy

5 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Why, though? He was having a good rookie season and the defense couldn't stop a nosebleed yesterday.

Why must there always be weirdness with no answers when it comes to this team?

What’s crazy is that, almost without exception, offenses this bad have HC and QB changes the next season. The Eagles will have neither.

Changing the OC ain’t gonna fix this.

1 minute ago, greendestiny27 said:

Tank Bigsby, ZERO touches.

^^^ Just a reminder for anyone still not convinced that the problems START with coaching.

3 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Imagine an actual HC saying this. Then defiantly declaring the OC is not the problem. Hoo boy

He’s right when he implies that it’s a "collective breakdown” - meaning coaching, play design, play calling, execution, etc

But at the end of the day - You cannot have this much talent on both sides of the ball as a head coach and not take responsibility. Granted, everyone thinks he’s just a "figure head/ceo” type head coach but this season he was given back much more control and influence - especially over the offense and it shows.

1 minute ago, Ace Nova said:

He’s right when he implies that it’s a "collective breakdown” - meaning coaching, play design, play calling, execution, etc

But at the end of the day - You cannot have this much talent on both sides of the ball as a head coach and not take responsibility. Granted, everyone thinks he’s just a "figure head/ceo” type head coach but this season he was given back much more control and influence - especially over the offense and it shows.

I really think we don’t have much talent on offense right now. AJ Brown makes amazing contested catches still, but he can’t separate or get big YAC anymore. Dallas Goedert is majorly diminished. Barkley has definitely lose a lot of juice. The OL is playing poorly with each player significantly regressed. And Hurts can barely pass.

Is that a talented offense? I say no. It’s a highly paid has been offense. And we are going to spend the next 2 years learning that until the FO gradually gives up on all of them and moves on.

Imagine having TO, Torry Holt, Ladanian Tomlinson and Vernon Davis and not knowing how to use them.

CJGJ is the kind of guy that never learns. He’ll be on his 8854896 team next year.

15 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Imagine having TO, Torry Holt, Ladanian Tomlinson and Vernon Davis

That would be great but sadly we only have Torry Holt.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I really think we don’t have much talent on offense right now. AJ Brown makes amazing contested catches still, but he can’t separate or get big YAC anymore. Dallas Goedert is majorly diminished. Barkley has definitely lose a lot of juice. The OL is playing poorly with each player significantly regressed. And Hurts can barely pass.

Is that a talented offense? I say no. It’s a highly paid has been offense. And we are going to spend the next 2 years learning that until the FO gradually gives up on all of them and moves on.

I could not disagree more.

In no universe do you go from blowing out the Chief's dynasty in the Super Bowl 40 to 6 to this nonsense in 6 months time. ZERO CHANCE THAT THERE IS A "TALENT COLLAPSE" in that much time.

It's beyond obvious this year's woes are primarily due to coaching FIRST AND FOREMOST.

AJ Brown isn't getting separation because he's running the same, predictable routes every NFL team has seen hundreds/thousands of times. Most NFL defenses KNOW WHAT PLAY IS COMING FROM OUR OFFENSE, Do you not understand how incredibly crippling that is for an offense?

And for a guy like AJ Brown who's strengths have always been contested catches/being a very physically dominant receiver, having a predictable offense with predictable routes will be a dagger in your game because AJ was NEVER the type of receiver to get "A TON" of separation but the little he got, with good play design, solid route running, etc was enough to make him elite. This season - the predictable offense has led to him having next to no separation - making him depend almost entirely on his physicality to make plays.

Saquon hasn't "lost a step" - almost the same situation as AJ Brown. Saquon depends on the offensive line to get a "push" - so with a little steam, he usually makes the first guy miss - sometimes much more and he's off to the races. The offensive line is banged up and losing Bechton has hurt the running game but AGAIN when the offense is this predictable - basically running dives, with the most basic run blocking schemes, half the time they run the ball - there is no penetration from the offensive line - and he gets assaulted by 2-3 defenders behind the line of scrimmage, what the heck do you expect him to do? Put on a cape and fly over them? This leads to him never getting into a "rythm or flow" and the plays he would extend an extra 3-5 yards last season no longer get extended, etc

Goedert has been very good when given the opportunity - not sure what you have against the guy. And Hurts missed him wide open yesterday - potential TD.

Hurts has also been way off last several games - but again, it all starts with the coaching, lack of creative play design - combined with poor play calling and poor execution.

The one thing it doesn't have much to do with is....lack of talent - because this team still has plenty of it - up and down the roster.

10 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

Imagine having TO, Torry Holt, Ladanian Tomlinson and Vernon Davis and not knowing how to use them.

Bad OL, Bad QB - that’s a tough combination to work around.

If Siriani doesn't fix this mess, he should get the ax. A positively disgraceful product on display.

A lot of culprits, including Howie, Hurts and Barkley, but it all falls on the coach to make it work.

Instead, we'll get another season of this, before Lurie pulls the plug.