4 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s certainly not a foregone conclusion, but I’ve mentally moved on from Sirianni. The question is if we keep Fangio as DC. I assume the front office would want to keep him. I assume Vic is happy to continue coaching. If it’s a first-time HC it would make sense to have a veteran DC who used to be a HC.

I’m not even sure who the hot candidates are. I don’t want a defensive HC for obvious reasons. I don’t even think I’d want John Harbaugh if he came loose. I want an offensive candidate, preferably one who will call plays. Who the hell is that candidate?

They aren’t going to fire Sirriani

25 minutes ago, aptosbird said:

Yup...I am not sure if Nick has a trusted mentor, but he should. I have a masters degree in Leadership and I study it very closely. I spent the last 20 years of my career being challenged at that level. What I knew and did in my early years were much different than in my last few years. There was a lot of wisdom that was gained from experience. Nick is still very young and he is making very basic leadership mistakes, especially with communication and his laissez faire approach. He really blew it in the press conference when he put his foot down and took a defiant approach to his handling of Patullo. He needed to be more open and reflective....that comes with experience. He needed to step up and show up weeks ago...he needed to set the tone and walk the talk....nothing but crickets.

I’m split on your opinion, i think slightly different. His defense of his staff and people is the proper thing to do, however unlike a good leader he doesn’t take overt ownership. Simply saying ‘these issues start and end with me’ before defending his staff would have been ideal. Instead he deflects blame or shifts ownership to the void. I could go on for days…but it’s too early and my coffee hasn’t kicked in yet. Leadership isn’t something you learn though, you can certainly sharpen the skills you have but it’s simply something you have or don’t. We don’t see behind the scenes, but i don’t see him as a ‘transformational’ leader type. He seems to be able to operate best in an environment where he can apply transactional leadership.

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s certainly not a foregone conclusion, but I’ve mentally moved on from Sirianni. The question is if we keep Fangio as DC. I assume the front office would want to keep him. I assume Vic is happy to continue coaching. If it’s a first-time HC it would make sense to have a veteran DC who used to be a HC.

I’m not even sure who the hot candidates are. I don’t want a defensive HC for obvious reasons. I don’t even think I’d want John Harbaugh if he came loose. I want an offensive candidate, preferably one who will call plays. Who the hell is that candidate?

Kafka, Daboll, Frank Smith

39 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

Never forget….when preparing for this game yesterday, with cold, windy conditions, the coaching staff started with no touches for Tank Bigsby

Yet Johnson schemed/planned to have both his running backs involved on a windy/cold day and shove it down the Eagles throats......Good Coaching vs. Horrible Coaching

12 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

We’ll see how the rest of the season transpires, but it certainly feels 2023ish, which is fairly stunning since we actually have a real DC that should help stabilize things. I think the defense was pretty bad the past two weeks, but it was at least workable — if the offense was able to play some complementary football.

problem with the defense i believe is they are getting worn out. Even though start of the game they were their own worse enemy getting off the field. I still think short week plus the amount of snaps they played from 2nd quarter onward last Sunday is an issue to the point fangio had ojomo playing the most snaps at DT and somehow young playing 34 snaps.

The ineptitude of the offense since the bye but really most of the season with their historic 3 and out pace. The eagles winning against packers and lions the way they did was never sustainable. That’s basically what the 2000 ravens did. But at least the 2000 had Lewis running a could make their offense competent enough that they weren’t just a historic 3 and out pace. I think the defense you saw a short week combined with the residual effects of getting to the point where the dam just broke.  

4 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Kafka, Daboll, Frank Smith

No thanks on daboll as a HC. i like Kafka. I think he can maximize whatever talent he does have and can be creative. Giants offensive talent is lacking but he’s found ways to get them points and be in games. I don’t know if the other aspects of being a HC he’s ready for. But I’m guessing he gets a shot one of these years.

I don’t think they are going to fire a coach a year after winning a SB no matter how the season ends.

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

It’s certainly not a foregone conclusion, but I’ve mentally moved on from Sirianni. The question is if we keep Fangio as DC. I assume the front office would want to keep him. I assume Vic is happy to continue coaching. If it’s a first-time HC it would make sense to have a veteran DC who used to be a HC.

I’m not even sure who the hot candidates are. I don’t want a defensive HC for obvious reasons. I don’t even think I’d want John Harbaugh if he came loose. I want an offensive candidate, preferably one who will call plays. Who the hell is that candidate?

Wouldn’t want John harbaugh. He’s basically in the same spot sirianni is. That offense has been a disaster this year and they do things that make no sense. Like Henry gashing the 31st ranked bengals offense in the 1st quarter then he gets no touches in the 2nd quarter. Add on the ravens find ways to lose games. They have blown so Many games cause the make stupid mistakes. They are a low IQ football team and Lamar Jackson and their defense (formerly good) can’t save him.

Good thread to read. I’m too lazy to post them all, but it gives a good read into why the offense stinks. Hint: We are not tough, detailed or together.

9 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Yet Johnson schemed/planned to have both his running backs involved on a windy/cold day and shove it down the Eagles throats......Good Coaching vs. Horrible Coaching

Not to ever defend Patullo, but the Bears have an elite run-blocking OL. We have one of the worst.

2 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

I don’t think they are going to fire a coach a year after winning a SB no matter how the season ends.

They aren’t. Lurie didn’t do it after the 2023 collapse after we got to a SB and lost. Not doing it after we won. That said i think the line of demarcation is end of 2026. If the offense looks this porous in 2026 then i think sirianni being fired is very much in play. Sirianni might be willing to give up picking OC and who he wants but this roster is far more talented than what eagles and Doug had at the end. Doug got 3 years after a SB victory but I don’t think sirianni will if this offense struggles in 2026. By end of 2026 if there’s same problems then it means 3 consecutive years the passing game has probably been inconsistent and the offense had major dysfunction.

What a poor performance yesterday! Firing the OC is an easy thing to do and gives the HC and FO an out for the poor performance. The hard one is who to put in as OC for the rest of the season. Bring in an outsider midseason, even if he was with the team before, would have little chance to turn the ship around. No apparent candidate in-house either. Siri may have to take the rein himself, which may be his last act to save his job with the team.

13 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

They aren’t going to fire Sirriani

If we have a second collapse where he obviously doesn’t have the answers and the front office had to go fix it for them (get Moore and Fangio), I definitely think it’s in play. It shows he’s simply a culture guy and not a problem solver.

11 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

Yet Johnson schemed/planned to have both his running backs involved on a windy/cold day and shove it down the Eagles throats......Good Coaching vs. Horrible Coaching

This has a lot more to do with Patullo being a terrible play caller than people realize. Coaches cover up weaknesses all the time with play design and calling

Nick is an idiot for not changing. KP is clearly can't call plays. Either Nick takes it over or give the duties to Loeffler

16 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Kafka, Daboll, Frank Smith

Kafka for OC

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we have a second collapse where he obviously doesn’t have the answers and the front office had to go fix it for them (get Moore and Fangio), I definitely think it’s in play. It shows he’s simply a culture guy and not a problem solver.

They love culture and they love to step in and fix problems. The only way he goes this year is if he refuses to let them fix the problem. I don't think he'll do what Doug did

1 minute ago, Godfather said:

Nick is an idiot for not changing. KP is clearly can't call plays. Either Nick takes it over or give the duties to Loeffler

Don’t really want Nick as play caller. He wasn’t good in 2021 at it. And he has more on his plate when this team already has issues doing the small things it takes to win. Tbh if he truly believes KP isn’t a major issue then i wouldn’t be surprised if lurie/howie makes him take over play calling if you see a lot of the same stuff called. Better chance with loeffler might get a legit change

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

Kafka for OC

I see that as the most likely 2026 outcome

10 hours ago, BDawk_ASamuel said:

This is where the analytics robots lose me because they don’t take the flow of the game, momentum, and the fact the defense gave up almost 300 yards on the ground into consideration and the likelihood of them getting two stops is not in their favor.

Going for 2 after the first TD and missing it all but ends the game. The goal there is to extend the game by any means and then worry about converting a 2 point conversion if you score again. That’s a scenario you want to be in. The defense for going for 2 after the first TD is that "you at least know what you have to do moving forward” which comes down to relying on an onsides kick which is pretty much impossible. Technically 4.7% if you’re going by the end of October numbers. Do you want to rely on those odds?

Taking the XP and making it an 8 point game gives you momentum back, it brings the energy back into the crowd, it gives the defense juice, and it allows you to kick the ball deep and play from there.

Every game in every sport has its own heartbeat. People who base decisions on analytics don’t believe in that stuff. To each their own.

I wonder if Stoutland retires

Just now, pgcd3 said:

They love culture and they love to step in and fix problems. The only way he goes this year is if he refuses to let them fix the problem. I don't think he'll do what Doug did

I’d add optically i don’t see lurie doing it. Lurie took a lot of flack for doing it 3 years removed with Doug. Even though i think sirianni collapsing 2 times in 3 years is a massive issue (deserving of being fired cause frankly i think his offense is simplistic and talent is winning more than coaching). Yet still chance he wins double digit games 4 consecutive years and made the playoffs 5 consecutive years. I get it’s not always about results and the process but i think optically it makes it harder to fire him a year after winning a SB even if you don’t believe in him.

22 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Eagles had 11 drives. They used tempo on five of them (we can completely dismiss the missed FG drive IMO. The second to last might need to be taken with a grain of salt as well)

Drives without no-huddle (yards):

Punt (15)

Punt (7)

Punt (2)

Punt (1)

INT (0)

Punt (2)

Drives with no-huddle (yards):

Field goal (39)

Touchdown (92)

Fumble (23)

Touchdown (80)

Missed field goal (36)

Usually, they go no huddle when something works and then they follow-up and press the defense. In the 3&out dynamic, nothing is working so no opportunity to go no huddle.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I’d add optically i don’t see lurie doing it. Lurie took a lot of flack for doing it 3 years removed with Doug. Even though i think sirianni collapsing 2 times in 3 years is a massive issue (deserving of being fired cause frankly i think his offense is simplistic and talent is winning more than coaching). Yet still chance he wins double digit games 4 consecutive years and made the playoffs 4 consecutive years. I get it’s not always about results and the process but i think optically it makes it harder to fire him a year after winning a SB even if you don’t believe in him.

Plus you were in a similar situation 2 years ago made an OC change and won the SB. So the inclination would be to do that again.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

They love culture and they love to step in and fix problems. The only way he goes this year is if he refuses to let them fix the problem. I don't think he'll do what Doug did

What exactly is our culture? We win a lot of games, but for a large chunk of the past three years we’ve underachieved. Thankfully the defense was elite and the offense figured it out in time to win the Super Bowl. If you put in any replacement level HC who was given Moore, Fangio and Stoutland as well as that roster, do you think the outcome is different?

Sirianni was the head coach during an epic and embarrassing collapse in 2023. The team was never that good but was able to scrape some ugly wins together before the house of cards came down. This year is similar, except we don’t have the excuse of a terrible defensive roster and DC. We’re 4-4 in our last eight games. The offense is withering away. It seems the more control Sirianni has on the offense, the worse it is.

I trust Lurie/Howie on this. They have a firsthand view of this, and nearly moved on after 2023, but they thankfully fixed the issue with Moore/Fangio and a killer draft class. What is Sirianni’s excuse this year? It’s a pretty troubling trend, if you ask me.

I think we all need to ask if Sirianni is someone who gives the Eagles a weekly advantage or is simply along for the ride. I think it’s fairly clear.