I’d like to McDaniel(s) here, as the Shanahan type offenses seem to make the most of their skill players despite mediocre OL and QB talent. This would require motion, playing under center and more complicated reads - so would require Jalen to evolve or be replaced by a more traditional passer.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Plus you were in a similar situation 2 years ago made an OC change and won the SB. So the inclination would be to do that again.

And then that guy becomes a HC somewhere and Sirianni flails away the following season. Rinse, repeat.

There wasn’t a single rookie from the 2025 draft class to play an offensive or defensive snap yesterday. Yikes.

If we fired after a one and done playoff appearance do any of you think he’d get a HC job this cycle?

Why should any of us care to try and figure out the offense when the coaches can't be bothered to even try anything.

There are a dozen things they could do very easily but week after week it's the same game plan with one or two gimmick plays that we'll never see again thrown into the mix.

They're clueless. They don't have the answers. They didn't in 2023 and they definitely don't have them now. The entire team is demoralized because they know the coaches don't have answers and can't put them in position to succeed.

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

And then that guy becomes a HC somewhere and Sirianni flails away the following season. Rinse, repeat.

Sign me up for SB every other season

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Sign me up for SB every other season

Obviously that’s how this will work out.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

What exactly is our culture? We win a lot of games, but for a large chunk of the past three years we’ve underachieved. Thankfully the defense was elite and the offense figured it out in time to win the Super Bowl. If you put in any replacement level HC who was given Moore, Fangio and Stoutland as well as that roster, do you think the outcome is different?

Sirianni was the head coach during an epic and embarrassing collapse in 2023. The team was never that good but was able to scrape some ugly wins together before the house of cards came down. This year is similar, except we don’t have the excuse of a terrible defensive roster and DC. We’re 4-4 in our last eight games. The offense is withering away. It seems the more control Sirianni has on the offense, the worse it is.

I trust Lurie/Howie on this. They have a firsthand view of this, and nearly moved on after 2023, but they thankfully fixed the issue with Moore/Fangio and a killer draft class. What is Sirianni’s excuse this year? It’s a pretty troubling trend, if you ask me.

I think we all need to ask if Sirianni is someone who gives the Eagles a weekly advantage or is simply along for the ride. I think it’s fairly clear.

Don’t disagree with your sentiment. I think Sirianni’s success is a product of howie roseman’s roster building and lurie/howie giving him coaching tools like fangio/moore in 2024 so he could have the success he did. Imo sirianni issues getting the passing game to be consistent and not simplistic got covered up by fangio’s great defense and OL/run game being historic. It took the perfect storm to cover it up.

That said I also know lurie/howie didn’t learn the lesson from 2023 with hiring Brian Johnson with no experience as OC or play calling with a SB aspirations and allowed for the same thing to happen again. I suspect there’s a larger chance they go out and they get an OC like they did with Moore to try to fix the problems more than the chance they fire sirianni. I think 2026 is likely sirianni is on the hot seat. If the offense is inconsistent again that’s when i think they make a move 

Just now, ManuManu said:

If we fired after a one and done playoff appearance do any of you think he’d get a HC job this cycle?

Yes, given that Gannon got a job. He’ll have some pitch to turn around a franchise via culture which might be appealing to TEN, LV, MIA, ARZ (haha).

49 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

And short week and tons of plays and no Jihaad Campbell

Thought Dean had his worst week since he has been back. Repeatedly trucked in the run game. But, then again, so was our entire defense

4 minutes ago, Mike31mt said:

Why should any of us care to try and figure out the offense when the coaches can't be bothered to even try anything.

There are a dozen things they could do very easily but week after week it's the same game plan with one or two gimmick plays that we'll never see again thrown into the mix.

They're clueless. They don't have the answers. They didn't in 2023 and they definitely don't have them now. The entire team is demoralized because they know the coaches don't have answers and can't put them in position to succeed.

More designed QB runs, that’s the switch but I doubt Jalen is interested.

39 minutes ago, Lambo said:

Kafka, Daboll, Frank Smith

BB, Jordon Hudson, Vic Fangio

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Don’t disagree with your sentiment. I think Sirianni’s success is a product of howie roseman’s roster building and lurie/howie giving him coaching tools like fangio/moore in 2024 so he could have the success he did. Imo sirianni issues getting the passing game to be consistent and not simplistic got covered up by fangio’s great defense and OL/run game being historic. It took the perfect storm to cover it up.

That said I also know lurie/howie didn’t learn the lesson from 2023 with hiring Brian Johnson with no experience as OC or play calling with a SB aspirations and allowed for the same thing to happen again. I suspect there’s a larger chance they go out and they get an OC like they did with Moore to try to fix the problems more than the chance they fire sirianni. I think 2026 is likely sirianni is on the hot seat. If the offense is inconsistent again that’s when i think they make a move 

That could very well be. I think we just need to acknowledge that Sirianni isn’t a truck. He’s a trailer. Maybe there isn’t an obvious HC candidate that would force our hand to make a move. Like I said, I haven’t really looked around. Maybe Kubiak is the hot candidate, although he’s not exciting.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

AJ Brown last 5 games:

42 targets

31 receptions

425 yards

5 TDs

13.7 yards per reception

some of that yesterday was garbage stat padding. However he also made a ridiculous catch and he could’ve had more if not for a BS PI penalty and better throws. Tbh he should’ve gotten more targets in the Dallas game as they didn’t go to him for 2 quarters.

I really don’t think he’s cooked or lost a massive step. I think his hamstring is finally getting healthier than it has been all year. i don’t expect him back next year but i also expect wherever he goes that he’s going to be very productive and likely look more consistent as he doesn’t have the ineptitude of not getting him the ball and finding ways to get him the ball.

People thought Moss lost a step before he went to the Pats. Adams lost a step before he went to the Rams. If AJ Brown were on the Rams this season in a real offense, I guarantee he'd put up 1,300 yards and 8 TDs. He's still a great player playing in an archaic offense.

4 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Yes, given that Gannon got a job. He’ll have some pitch to turn around a franchise via culture which might be appealing to TEN, LV, MIA, ARZ (haha).

I’d be stunned. I don’t think there’s a leaguewide respect for Sirianni.

10 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There wasn’t a single rookie from the 2025 draft class to play an offensive or defensive snap yesterday. Yikes.

Not ideal. Not necessarily an indicator that they aren’t good though. Tank can’t even get a single touch.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we fired after a one and done playoff appearance do any of you think he’d get a HC job this cycle?

Yea, I could see him going to some loser organization

Just now, ManuManu said:

That could very well be. I think we just need to acknowledge that Sirianni isn’t a truck. He’s a trailer. Maybe there isn’t an obvious HC candidate that would force our hand to make a move. Like I said, I haven’t really looked around. Maybe Kubiak is the hot candidate, although he’s not exciting.

I don’t disagree. I have said for a while that Sirianni’s success on offense is our talent is better than yours. Eventually that’ll overwhelm the opposition and we will have success. I don’t thin anything about his scheme or play design tells us he’s an innovator or great offensive mind.

Frankly i think the optics is a big issue for lurie in not pulling the trigger a year removed from the SB. Imo if they had lost to the rams in the divisional round and then this season occurred then it’s much easier to pull the trigger. Someone will always covet the job as Eagles HC but it is harder to sell when you fire the HC (albeit a trailer) a year removed from winning sb. Mean next guy basically is conscious that this organization could very well fire me after i win a Super Bowl the next year.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’d be stunned. I don’t think there’s a leaguewide respect for Sirianni.

Maybe - his schtick should work in college, where the offensive schemes are simpler and his personal style might be a plus for roster building/retention.

Try to visualize this. If the Eagles blow this and miss the playoffs. We all saw how it was in that stadium last night. People leaving early, boos raining down, Lurie in the owner's box looking angry, players exasperated on the sideline. If they blow this, we are getting 5 more games of this, including two at home, one being the final game of the season. If the Eagles do blow this, it'll likely be in that final game given the math of it all. Imagine playing in the final game of the season, at home, for all the marbles and they come out looking like they did vs Chicago. How ugly it will get in that stadium. Chants of fire Nick. Fans leaving early. Offense can't move the ball past the 50. Then you have players who have been miserable all season because they know the offense sucks and how some of them would probably sound off after a game like that if they miss the playoffs. Think about the ramifications of all of that.

I'm telling you if that happens Lurie will consider canning Nick. It's easy to say "No, Lurie will never do it" now. Visualize everyone being in that type of scenario and how humans make decisions in the moment and it will absolutely be possible.

1 hour ago, Parrot Head said:

Yeah, "No coach will ever get good play out of Hurts again” is totally the reasonable take 😂

Looking at an outlier, and ignoring all of the circumstances around it is what is unreasonable. I gave a list of very reasonable explanations for the success that season, and why it wasnt exactly what you think it was. Youre plugging your ears and laughing. Its very obvious who is being unreasonable. Heck, I was outside fixing christmas decorations. Not even posting for a while, and youre still in here making numerous posts trying to poke fun at my position without me even responding. Getting weird now.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

Try to visualize this. If the Eagles blow this and miss the playoffs. We all saw how it was in that stadium last night. People leaving early, boos raining down, Lurie in the owner's box looking angry, players exasperated on the sideline. If they blow this, we are getting 4 more games of this, including two at home, one being the final game of the season. If the Eagles do blow this, it'll likely be in that final game given the math of it all. Imagine playing in the final game of the season, at home, for all the marbles and they come out looking like they did vs Chicago. How ugly it will get in that stadium. Chants of fire Nick. Fans leaving early. Offense can't move the ball past the 50. Then you have players who have been miserable all season because they know the offense sucks and how some of them would probably sound off after a game like that if they miss the playoffs. Think about the ramifications of all of that.

I'm telling you if that happens Lurie will consider canning Nick. It's easy to say "No, Lurie will never do it" now. Visualize everyone being in that type of scenario and how humans make decisions in the moment and it will absolutely be possible.

If they miss the playoffs, Lurie absolutely has to can Sirianni. There isn’t even a debate. You can’t let optics get in the way, and I’m someone who was adamantly opposed to firing Sirianni after 2023 because of the optics and concern they’d be able to attract a quality candidate after firing Doug and Sirianni so quickly after Super Bowls.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Try to visualize this. If the Eagles blow this and miss the playoffs. We all saw how it was in that stadium last night. People leaving early, boos raining down, Lurie in the owner's box looking angry, players exasperated on the sideline. If they blow this, we are getting 5 more games of this, including two at home, one being the final game of the season. If the Eagles do blow this, it'll likely be in that final game given the math of it all. Imagine playing in the final game of the season, at home, for all the marbles and they come out looking like they did vs Chicago. How ugly it will get in that stadium. Chants of fire Nick. Fans leaving early. Offense can't move the ball past the 50. Then you have players who have been miserable all season because they know the offense sucks and how some of them would probably sound off after a game like that if they miss the playoffs. Think about the ramifications of all of that.

I'm telling you if that happens Lurie will consider canning Nick. It's easy to say "No, Lurie will never do it" now. Visualize everyone being in that type of scenario and how humans make decisions in the moment and it will absolutely be possible.

Nah, we’re still a season away from that - just like 2023 Nick will get another shot to right the ship. Also, the defense is better so I expect to win most of the remaining games (3-2?).

22 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

I’d like to McDaniel(s) here, as the Shanahan type offenses seem to make the most of their skill players despite mediocre OL and QB talent. This would require motion, playing under center and more complicated reads - so would require Jalen to evolve or be replaced by a more traditional passer.

Thats what we thought would happen with Kellen Moore. But Moore's offense was dumbed down, and just became a running team. Then Moore got a HC job. Those good OCs will run their motions for 2-3 weeks. Have to dumb it down. And if the OL is good enough to help Barkley carry the team to success again, those OCs will get HC jobs. And the cycle repeats. Hurts will never have to change. We just need someone, at some point to realize all the problems he is causing.

23 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

There wasn’t a single rookie from the 2025 draft class to play an offensive or defensive snap yesterday. Yikes.

Probably can draw a conclusion that one of the "fixes" the coaching staff has come up with is to rely on veterans to execute. And...it hasnt worked.