Maybe (probably) I’m dumb but doesn’t it seem like the defense lately is more on its heals against the run vs shooting gaps to stop it?

We can all blast Sirianni for not firing KP, but ultimately if Lurie wanted him gone then he would be gone. It does not matter what Nick wants because he doesn't own the team.

To date, they are likely aware that this goes beyond "Patullo sucks" and putting it all on him.

Patullo is gonna be a real good "Pass Game Analyst” for some team next year

3 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If they miss the playoffs, Lurie absolutely has to can Sirianni. There isn’t even a debate. You can’t let optics get in the way, and I’m someone who was adamantly opposed to firing Sirianni after 2023 because of the optics and concern they’d be able to attract a quality candidate after firing Doug and Sirianni so quickly after Super Bowls.

I agree. After 2023 Lurie spoke privately to some of the players. Then they vouched for him. I wonder what the sentiment would be this time around. I can't get over how miserable everyone on that side of the ball has looked all season. And how after a full season of the offense being this bad, it'll likely require ripping it down to the studs and installing a completely new scheme, which means completely putting Sirianni in a straight jacket. In that scenario, Lurie is going to realize there's no point of keeping him at that point. He'd be paying a top coaching salary to a personality manager who doesn't do x's and o's.

The unfortunate aspect of it all was last offseason was the big coaching offseason. Tons of top coaches were available. Less so this time around. The hot name might be Klint Kubiak, who I'm not sure is ready to run a team. If Steichen gets fired if the Colts collapse, which I doubt they will, maybe Lurie would want to bring him back as the guy.

1 minute ago, DaBirds said:

Maybe (probably) I’m dumb but doesn’t it seem like the defense lately seems more on its heals against the run vs shooting gaps to stop it?

yeah the DL has been a failure all season, and some teams have had success running on us because that group is not physical enough. And then the LBs arent being kept free to make plays. Baun has been mostly invisible for the past 3 weeks, and Dean did nothing really yesterday either. It starts with the DL. Theyre getting blown off the ball.

9 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Thats what we thought would happen with Kellen Moore. But Moore's offense was dumbed down, and just became a running team. Then Moore got a HC job. Those good OCs will run their motions for 2-3 weeks. Have to dumb it down. And if the OL is good enough to help Barkley carry the team to success again, those OCs will get HC jobs. And the cycle repeats. Hurts will never have to change. We just need someone, at some point to realize all the problems he is causing.

I’d prefer an actual TC competition with McKee if I got my way.

35 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we fired after a one and done playoff appearance do any of you think he’d get a HC job this cycle?

Yes. Absolutely. There are 32 nfl HC jobs. This roster, GM, Owner are top tier in this league. Any idiot with a brain can see how poorly coached this offense is. You don’t think there are coaches sitting there thinking how much better they could be than Siri and how quickly they could win a SB here?

9 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Kempski dropped this nugget in his awards article

he's not being helped by Hurts, who I'm told does not love having a lot of designed QB runs in the gameplan.

He sucks at them, so I'm not surprised.

42 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

If we fired after a one and done playoff appearance do any of you think he’d get a HC job this cycle?

I don't. Big reason is because everyone wants that next offensive genius or defensive genius. Very few teams would willingly hire a CEO. Usually coaches become CEOs when they prove to not be good enough to run an offense or defense.

I think if he did get a job, it would be a Dan Quinn in Washington situation. Where they struck out 3 other places before circling back to Quinn.

This was the danger of forcing the promotion of his friend. Now he can’t admit the obvious

11 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

He sucks at them, so I'm not surprised.

It would give the offense an extra blocker, that’s an edge.

And this doesn’t mean RPO, as with 1yd illegal man downfield emphasis, it makes them to difficult to run consistently / effectively.

11 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Last week Sirianni said he’s not benching anyone.

Today he says he’s not changing the play caller.

He says every week the scheme isn’t the problem it’s execution.

This is a coach who is in denial at best and an egomaniac at worst who has shown no desire to change anything. Honestly, if they don’t change it this week so we can see what it looks like against a real team, I’d rather they not change it at all because I don’t want to do it when it’s too late and then think about the entire offseason that if they would’ve done it sooner they could’ve made a run.

Nick going down with the ship. Wasn't expecting that

32 minutes ago, Waiting4Someday said:

Maybe - his schtick should work in college, where the offensive schemes are simpler and his personal style might be a plus for roster building/retention.

I thought college would be a good place for him. I could see him doing well. He'd probably relate really well with younger college players. Plus he has a SB which could help with recruiting.

With that said, I dont think he'd end up in college if he was let go. Maybe not HC but definitely some kind of offensive coach in the NFL.

For all those that want him gone it most likely won't happen after this year. I would think they'd give him at least 1 more season to improve. History tells us this. He's made the playoffs every year even the 1st year when the roster wasn't as talented. Fans wanted him gone, said he wasn't the guy. Then 2nd year they make the SB and nearly win. 3rd year they start 10-1 then collapse and fans want him gone again. Instead next year, his 4th they win the SB. This year still a good record but offense is struggling. Assuming the worst they slump and miss the playoffs, which I dont think is happening, they give him next year at minimum and obviously changes have to be made to coaches and the roster, then see what happens. If next year doesnt rebound like previous years then its time to discuss a HC change.

Even though he's made the playoffs every year, even the not so good seasons, 2021 and 2023, he's followed it up with a SB appearance or victory.

A lot of the problems were happening all season but we were winning. So people stuck their head in the ground and ignored them. Now they're forced to face it

45 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Looking at an outlier, and ignoring all of the circumstances around it is what is unreasonable. I gave a list of very reasonable explanations for the success that season, and why it wasnt exactly what you think it was. Youre plugging your ears and laughing. Its very obvious who is being unreasonable. Heck, I was outside fixing christmas decorations. Not even posting for a while, and youre still in here making numerous posts trying to poke fun at my position without me even responding. Getting weird now.

I’ve been busy and haven’t posted in a while. Stop being so insecure.

the problem with this is that Patullo was one of the original chefs with Nick so he’s largely to blame.doubling down on two uncreative minds is bad

I preface this saying the biggest issue on the team is Patullo/Nick.

At the same time, if Jalen Hurts doesn't want to run we should trade him this off-season. And if he doesn't want to be traded, bench him all of 2026 and play McKee. I've been a Jalen defender. Is he perfect? Of course not. But his plus are massive strengths (deep balls, helping the RB run game, general turnover avoidance and QB runs). If he loses the QB run game? Then we have an expensive QB who not only doesn't run enough himself, BUT also doesn't help the RB run game as much as he should. And suddenly a top 10 QB is what... a top 20 QB? No thanks.

I get that the QB doesn't want to get hit that much or miss games. But removing what makes him special is not tenable.

7 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

A lot of the problems were happening all season but we were winning. So people stuck their head in the ground and ignored them. Now they're forced to face it

Isn’t winning the point?

How do you get a grade 3 hamstring strain before you even start practicing? That's a full tear.

I don't think there's anything remotely close to special about Jalen's rushing. It's usually pretty awkward actually. The only time he makes a play is if he has a ton of space to work with. It's one of the most overrated aspects of his game IMO.

We heard 2 different players at the end of the game say "We went 4-2, then we went 4-2, now it’s time to win 4.”

That’s coming from Sirianni. He’s not learning from this. He clearly thinks what’s happening are the natural ebbs and flows of a season, and that no changes need to be made on the staff. This has to be a Lurie/Howie decision, it’s NEVER coming from Sirianni.

3 hours ago, Ace Nova said:

Yes - this offense would be substantially better - would have taken off from the Super Bowl performance.

From my understanding, this is basically what has happened over the past 2 years:

• Kellen Moore was brought in as offensive coordinator to make this a more exciting, pass-first offense after the horrendous collapse of the 2023 season.

• Eventually, Sirianni (not sure how much or if Hurts was even involved) told (or came to an agreement with Moore to keep it a run first offense, similar to Sirianni’s offense)

• Kellen Moore - instead of developing a more creative/complex passing attack as the primary offense- focused more on developing more creative and complex running schemes - with the passing game Complimenting the run-first offense

• When Moore took the head coaching job in New Orleans, Sirianni got "his guy” promoted - and we basically went back to Siranni’s vanilla style, run first offense

• Kellen Moore would have stayed with his much more complex/creative run first offense

• Kellen Moore would have implemented counters to defenses countering our offensive schemes this year (something Patullo and Sirianni are incapable of doing apparently)

• Other than injuries, the biggest decline of the offensive line is the lack of the creative blocking schemes Moore implemented along with the counters Moore implemented and when to use certain blocking schemes in the run game etc etc

• Another major issue is the play calling - Moore would have called specific running plays vs passing plays at the right moments and timing, etc - Patullo and/or Sirianni always seem to call the worst play at the worst time - Moore rarely, if ever did that

Couple things.......wasn't it the O-lline during the bye week last year that went to Sirianni and said we need to run the ball more? Thats what was reported anyway.

Also I'm not sure Moore was the one developing more complex and creative running schemes. I remember analysts saying last year that they really dont do anything too crazy as far as running the ball. They were just blocking better and obviously had a tremendous back in Barkley. Not to mention Stoutland is the run game coordinator. Doesn't he come up with majority of the run game scheme?

The run game is what sets up this offense or at least has been. It hasn't been nearly as effective as previous years, even when Moore wasn't here. If the O-line isnt playing well like this year I don't think Moore being here would have made a difference. Maybe a little because he's obviously a better OC than Patullo but Moore has his faults as well.

4 minutes ago, schuy7 said:

I don't think there's anything remotely close to special about Jalen's rushing. It's usually pretty awkward actually. The only time he makes a play is if he has a ton of space to work with. It's one of the most overrated aspects of his game IMO.

Disagree. He’s really good at it. Apparently he just doesn’t want to anymore. He won the Dallas game with it week one and looked really fast. The TD run last week was also amazing.

(Btw I’m not ok with him not wanting to do it anymore)

8 minutes ago, RLC said:

But his plus are massive strengths (deep balls

While one on his best attributes is deep balls, that doesn't mean he is great at it. Other QB's have the same or better deep balls. It is only a plus for Jalen because his other throws stink. Particularly throws that need to go 15-20 yards with anticipation and zip, he can't do either. He doesn't have touch, can't throw with anticipation and certainly cannot zip one into a tight window. These are traits that a lot of average QB can make, at least time to time.

10 minutes ago, DaBirds said:

Isn’t winning the point?

No for them whining is the point.