Just now, eagle45 said:

Hurts is not throwing the football at a level compatible with a starting NFL QB.

Patullo is making terrible decisions with routes, play calls, and offensive design.

The OL is terribly regressed from last year.

All can be true. I just feel like the sentiment out there is everyone picks one of these things and tries to pretend that the other 2 would be fine otherwise.

Unfortunately the Patullo lever is the easiest one to pull. If it doesn’t work, who cares? He stunk at the job anyway and should be replaced anyway. Maybe Hurts can get back on track, although it’s certainly no given. The OL is probably gonna be a problem for the rest of the year, although maybe a different set of eyes can make it marginally better.

10 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Smith was option#1 and was wide open. Such a bad throw

Seemed like he was doing a lot of 1 read and throw

Just now, LeanMeanGM said:

Like twitter, there are tons of bot accounts

I don't intend to go back. The Eagles are the one thing I like to talk about online. I've cut out politics since it's a waste of breath. But some people sit home alone and give their opinion on everything. Seems sad but maybe they have nothing else

1 minute ago, Khani1 said:

You will be rolling on the floor when this teams gets mopped in the second round of the playoffs..."Never saw this coming, 8-4 earlier in the year coming off a super bowl with am MVP QB, how did this happen?" Get ahead of the curve dude.

I have embraced that maybe even 1 and done. All worth it for the ring last year. This oline with patullo never gave us a chance.

13 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We can’t poke fun at Aj but we likely don’t have a TD in non garbage time if not for his catch.

You can't. I absolutely can. Yay!!! Garbage time TD!!!

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

It's because the mods are absolute crap and don't consolidate topics. They don't go 'oh maybe since there's so many of these, we should add them together', they go, literally, 'WELL IF WE CONSOLIDATE TOPICS INTO A STICKY THERE WON'T BE ANYTHING TO TALK ABOUT!!!"

It's insufferable. It's not even the site, it's that the sub has the absolute worst garbage as mods. Terrible.

I only ever post there to get answers to technical questions. Like how to fix something or troubleshoot something. Or some type of a general knowledge question like "Hey, this happened in my area of my city, how should I proceed?" And you'd have a better time breaking into Area 51 than you would successfully making a post on those subs. 99% of the time my posts are auto deleted or flagged and they never post. It's just unusable that site. The subs are either anything goes or nothing goes. No in between.

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I believe that Sirianni is a terrible offensive coach and a coach in general who's been out of answers for two years. His bacon was saved last year when they had the best rushing season ever and the best Eagles defense ever. But now that those two aspects have fallen off, he's back to being exposed again.

Andy Reid was a choke artist until he got Patrick Mahomes. No, that is not me suggesting Patrick Mahomes-alikes.

News flash. We have seen Nick work with ONE quarterback. Jalen has gotten the opportunity to work with MORE THAN ONE offensive head. Sirianni and Hurts are schematically incompatible. This means Hurts has gotten the benefit of working with other people, but Nick NEVER got to choose his own QB.

13 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

We can’t poke fun at Aj but we likely don’t have a TD in non garbage time if not for his catch.

Listen. We’re all happy for your fantasy team and the fact AJ is actually contributing the second you traded for him. Congratulations.

5 minutes ago, Khani1 said:

You will be rolling on the floor when this teams gets mopped in the second round of the playoffs..."Never saw this coming, 8-4 earlier in the year coming off a super bowl with am MVP QB, how did this happen?" Get ahead of the curve dude.

Start being miserable early it'll hurt less when they fail. - EMB motto

Just now, Sack that QB said:

I only ever post there to get answers to technical questions. Like how to fix something or troubleshoot something. Or some type of a general knowledge question like "Hey, this happened in my area of my city, how should I proceed?" And you'd have a better time breaking into Area 51 than you would successfully making a post on those subs. 99% of the time my posts are auto deleted or flagged and they never post. It's just unusable that site. The subs are either anything goes or nothing goes. No in between.

Ah, yeah, that. There's this thing with accounts that have lower post counts on some places as a way to prevent botting, but it presents big inconvenience to legitimate users. I've dealt with that too. I think the biggest problem is actually that the layouts aren't very well done from a user experience perspective, so the information on why you get bounced is extremely unclear. There really should be a red notice on the sidebar that tells you very directly.

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Start being miserable early it'll hurt less when they fail. - EMB motto

At least you have admitted it’s when not if.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Start being miserable early it'll hurt less when they fail. - EMB motto

What is your read on what Sirianni does well as a coach? I’ll spot you the W-L record. Let’s dig deeper than that.

1 minute ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Ah, yeah, that. There's this thing with accounts that have lower post counts on some places as a way to prevent botting, but it presents big inconvenience to legitimate users. I've dealt with that too. I think the biggest problem is actually that the layouts aren't very well done from a user experience perspective, so the information on why you get bounced is extremely unclear. There really should be a red notice on the sidebar that tells you very directly.

I thought that was it at first, but I spent some years getting my post count up specifically for that reason. And they are still auto deleted. So I think many subs just have super strict algorithms that auto flag hundreds of different words or specific accounts and just won't let them post. I've even seen some people getting banned from subs because they were subscribed to other subs. I've never been able to post in the Philadelphia sub. I've tried 10 separate times and made 100% sure my post had no trigger words. Every time my posts are auto deleted. I messaged the mods and I've never once gotten a reply. So either they're just incompetent or the algorithm on that sub is absurdly strict or I was shadow banned from it for being subscribed to a sub they disavow or something. Which I'm not. So I just gave up.

5 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Andy Reid was a choke artist until he got Patrick Mahomes. No, that is not me suggesting Patrick Mahomes-alikes.

News flash. We have seen Nick work with ONE quarterback. Jalen has gotten the opportunity to work with MORE THAN ONE offensive head. Sirianni and Hurts are schematically incompatible. This means Hurts has gotten the benefit of working with other people, but Nick NEVER got to choose his own QB.

Meh, Nick's offense is uncreative regardless. You can see the better play calls from Ben Johnson. Caleb missed open throws for TDs so he wasn't great but they schemed and play called 100 times better than Sirriani/Patullo. It wasn't because Williams could run plays Hurts couldn't

6 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don't intend to go back. The Eagles are the one thing I like to talk about online. I've cut out politics since it's a waste of breath. But some people sit home alone and give their opinion on everything. Seems sad but maybe they have nothing else

It's the effect of big social, like Twitter. It elevates people into making people feel their opinions are more important than they are, while simultaneously obliterating their self-esteem. It's a vicious cycle that preys on people with poor self-control (which is also caused by big social, no it's not entirely their fault, it's designed to do this to people), very similar to gambling addictions, except the effect of this is making society worse, instead of primarily your own finances.

11 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Unfortunately the Patullo lever is the easiest one to pull. If it doesn’t work, who cares? He stunk at the job anyway and should be replaced anyway. Maybe Hurts can get back on track, although it’s certainly no given. The OL is probably gonna be a problem for the rest of the year, although maybe a different set of eyes can make it marginally better.

Great point. If a person is dying and has three major wounds you treat the one you can and try to save the person. You don't just let the person die. Doing nothing moving forward and expecting this team to magically get better on offense is a fireable offense. Lurie and Howie have got to step in if the dummy coach this team is unwilling to demote his buddy. I believe that Sirianni is a huge part of why this offense sucks and so changing the OC probably won't fix things but Patullo sucks and needs to be fired anyway so they might as well try to fix things.

24 minutes ago, Freshmilk said:

Smith was option#1 and was wide open. Such a bad throw

Terrible throws. Horrible decision making

2 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What is your read on what Sirianni does well as a coach? I’ll spot you the W-L record. Let’s dig deeper than that.

Number one he coexists with Howie well which isn't a given. Second I think he generally has the team prepared to play from a mental standpoint which is why it stands out so much when they are not. The players seem to like him and he does seem to deal with locker room turmoil openly. Third I'd say his harping on turnover prevention has been a big positive as again evidenced by what happens when it rarely doesn't happen. Fourth he is able to coexist with Fangio who is another bigger presence.

That said I don't think he's a good offensive mind

2 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

Great point. If a person is dying and has three major wounds you treat the one you can and try to save the person. You don't just let the person die. Doing nothing moving forward and expecting this team to magically get better on offense is a fireable offense. Lurie and Howie have got to step in if the dummy coach this team is unwilling to demote his buddy. I believe that Sirianni is a huge part of why this offense sucks and so changing the OC probably won't fix things but Patullo sucks and needs to be fired anyway so they might as well try to fix things.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

Meh, Nick's offense is uncreative regardless. You can see the better play calls from Ben Johnson. Caleb missed open throws for TDs so he wasn't great but they schemed and play called 100 times better than Sirriani/Patullo. It wasn't because Williams could run plays Hurts couldn't

I get what you're saying, but I'm not defending Patullo, I legitimately think he has no feel for the game. But with Nick, like I said, he pretty much removed himself from a lot of the equation early on because him and Hurts didn't work so well together (if the goal is him being involved with the offense), which let's be honest, the vast majority of the coaches in the NFL, if they were in that position, would not have the ego-check to deal with even slightly.

I think it's very unfair if he doesn't ever get to choose a QB at all, is judged by how he works with someone he is literally schematically incompatible with, and is literally removed from the equation for that very reason. It's like calling someone a terrible doctor because even though they're a gastroenterologist, they can't wrap their head around brain surgery. No, this doesn't mean he's a terrible doctor, at least give him a LITTLE bit of a chance in his field.

But I also understand, this situation is nearly unprecedented. It's caused by the quickly rising expectations combined with the relative health of Hurts, so there has been nearly no chance to even get a GLIMPSE of what things would be like without him.

10 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

What is your read on what Sirianni does well as a coach? I’ll spot you the W-L record. Let’s dig deeper than that.

Let's just call a spade a spade.

"What does he even do here anyway?"
"He brings no competitive advantage."
"He's just a cheerleader."

What were the other ones? Someone help me? If we're just going to have another run of the 2023-2024 offseason which I had to leave the board for, we can. Frankly at this point it's easier to troll this instead.

But the answer is that because you're not inside the building, and Sirianni isn't a traditional gameday coach, you have no idea. Unfortunately, people admitting that is far beyond how human brains are generally able to function, so "I'm not sure, and you aren't either" isn't an answer that anyone will accept.

2 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

Yeah it’s a really bad look to say I don’t know the problem. Well problems don’t magically go away so if you can’t fix it then you need to bring in someone who does. Thats either a new OC or a new HC. Or a consultant for now which might be the route they go. Making no changes before the next game is pure malpractice

Yep, a fireable offense. Sadly they won't change anything. They have struggled all season and changed nothing. They struggle in games and change nothing. They change very little week to week. They run a HS offense both in terms of scheme and how they attack teams week to week. Most NFL teams have their core offense but they change things week to week depending on their opponent. The Eagles entire offense is basically "this is what we run, we are better than you so we will do well." The idea of adjustments at any point have no place in their offense or coaching. It's literally one of the worst offenses I have ever seen in the NFL with some of the best talent in the league.

Just look at the Bears yesterday. Just by running motion that had purpose and doing a few plays like naked boot legs, jet sweeps, etc they had the Eagles DE's completely guessing the entire game which is a huge reason why they were able to run the ball so well. They used scheme to manipulate and dictate things to the defense and make two good RB's look like the Gibbs and Montgomery. That's what good coaching does. You know what bad coaching does, make some of the best talent in the league into one of the worst offenses in the league. Their entire philosophy is to line up and run the most vanilla boring stuff and just out athlete the opposition. Again, HS offense. How Lurie and Howie are sitting back and allowing this to happen is concerning at this point.

28 minutes ago, DawkinsOwnage03 said:

The firing stuff has us rolling at the house. Nobody is going to fire Siri when he is 8-4 coming off a domination SB win and is the top coach in wins for the past 4 years. That’s first, second nobody is benching or trading Hurts when he was SB MVP last season and is 8-4. 🤣🤣🤣🤣😂

I get being mad, I’m mad but let’s get in reality here.

I can't wait to be one and done so I can laugh

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Number one he coexists with Howie well which isn't a given. Second I think he generally has the team prepared to play from a mental standpoint which is why it stands out so much when they are not. The players seem to like him and he does seem to deal with locker room turmoil openly. Third I'd say his harping on turnover prevention has been a big positive as again evidenced by what happens when it rarely doesn't happen. Fourth he is able to coexist with Fangio who is another bigger presence.

That said I don't think he's a good offensive mind

1) It matters, but this is bare minimum stuff.

2) I don’t agree at all that the team is ready every week. We play down to our opponent. Last year it took a Herculean effort to score in the first quarter. I almost never watch this team play and feel like out of the gate we’re playing well. Handling the locker room and the personalities. Yeah, that’s in his favor.

3) The turnover thing is a double edged sword. Obviously you don’t want turnovers, I feel like it’s also neutering the offense to a certain degree by being overly conservative.

4) I think any JAG coach could coexist with Vic. He might be grumpy and want more practice time, but I don’t think that makes him hard to manage. If anything, maybe Sirianni’s "culture” has players buying in while Miami’s culture had him ready to rip his hair out.

21 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Unfortunately the Patullo lever is the easiest one to pull. If it doesn’t work, who cares? He stunk at the job anyway and should be replaced anyway. Maybe Hurts can get back on track, although it’s certainly no given. The OL is probably gonna be a problem for the rest of the year, although maybe a different set of eyes can make it marginally better.

The OL lever should be easy. Rest Jurgens and Dickerson. Double bonus. Pryor/Toth can't be much worse right now, might even be better. Come playoff time, we might see a better version of Dickerson/Jurgens. Nothing to lose by trying this. But they refuse to do that. They'll even bring Lane back too soon, ensuring he'll probably suck for the playoffs too, if he's even still in the lineup by then.

OC...I wouldn't be surprised if we hear in the offseason that Patullo was already less involved with playcalling and offensive design than they let on. Some of these changes can be made under the radar. Regardless, I agree with making that change. But they just aren't going to dive in with an all-new OC announcement right now. Just like benching Hurts for Mckee isn't happening, neither is this.