1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

Yep, a fireable offense. Sadly they won't change anything. They have struggled all season and changed nothing. They struggle in games and change nothing. They change very little week to week. They run a HS offense both in terms of scheme and how they attack teams week to week. Most NFL teams have their core offense but they change things week to week depending on their opponent. The Eagles entire offense is basically "this is what we run, we are better than you so we will do well." The idea of adjustments at any point have no place in their offense or coaching. It's literally one of the worst offenses I have ever seen in the NFL with some of the best talent in the league.

Just look at the Bears yesterday. Just by running motion that had purpose and doing a few plays like naked boot legs, jet sweeps, etc they had the Eagles DE's completely guessing the entire game which is a huge reason why they were able to run the ball so well. They used scheme to manipulate and dictate things to the defense and make two good RB's look like the Gibbs and Montgomery. That's what good coaching does. You know what bad coaching does, make some of the best talent in the league into one of the worst offenses in the league. Their entire philosophy is to line up and run the most vanilla boring stuff and just out athlete the opposition. Again, HS offense. How Lurie and Howie are sitting back and allowing this to happen is concerning at this point.

First year offenses have advantages on tape, for the exact same reason that Hurts had an advantage on tape in 2022, with that being his first year as a more improved passer. We can take examples like this, and they are worth noting to some degree, but it's also worth noting that first year advantage also plays into things.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

The OL lever should be easy. Rest Jurgens and Dickerson. Double bonus. Pryor/Toth can't be much worse right now, might even be better. Come playoff time, we might see a better version of Dickerson/Jurgens. Nothing to lose by trying this. But they refuse to do that. They'll even bring Lane back too soon, ensuring he'll probably suck for the playoffs too, if he's even still in the lineup by then.

OC...I wouldn't be surprised if we hear in the offseason that Patullo was already less involved with playcalling and offensive design than they let on. Some of these changes can be made under the radar. Regardless, I agree with making that change. But they just aren't going to dive in with an all-new OC announcement right now. Just like benching Hurts for Mckee isn't happening, neither is this.

Jurgens might not be right all year. Back surgery and a lower body injury is rough. Maybe Toth is just an upgrade for the rest of the year.

8 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Number one he coexists with Howie well which isn't a given. Second I think he generally has the team prepared to play from a mental standpoint which is why it stands out so much when they are not. The players seem to like him and he does seem to deal with locker room turmoil openly. Third I'd say his harping on turnover prevention has been a big positive as again evidenced by what happens when it rarely doesn't happen. Fourth he is able to coexist with Fangio who is another bigger presence.

That said I don't think he's a good offensive mind

I agree with all of this and it's not a coincidence that the one season he was a true CEO head coach and had the least amount of involvement with the offense the team won the SB. People complained last year and said "what does the head coach do." The fact is, the less he does the better. I would still change the OC because Patullo sucks at calling plays but if we are being honest this is Nick's offense and it likely will only improve things a little bit. For Nick to work as a head coach he needs to be in the role he was last year and the OC needs to be somebody who flat out runs their offense in addition to calling plays. Saying Nick doesn't have a good offensive mind is putting it nicely His entire offense is to line up against the other team and out athlete them because you have better players. There is no adjustments, scheme, or purpose in planning to what they do on offense.

2 minutes ago, Godfather said:

I can't wait to be one and done so I can laugh

Did the ‘rather be right than win’ actually crowd enjoy the SB victory?

I'm certainly not against the idea of moving on from Siri, but my concern now is the same as it was early last year when the idea was talked about. Both Doug and Siri were not highly inspiring hires when they were brought in. I feel in many ways, Lowie were traumatized by the Chip fiasco, and it concerned them about going after a bigger name who may rock the boat a bit. They did come close to McDaniels, and he was a disaster in two different stops. I often wonder the direction they would go next. Both Doug and Siri are/were very loyal to those on their staff, and I often wonder if either had personal connections around the league they could tap into at times when coaches are hired elsewhere. They obviously got very fortunate with Howie having 3 very big offseasons the years leading up to the 3 Super Bowls, but as has been said before, Howie is good for building a team for a season, but not great at sustaining one for a multi year stretch. My biggest fear is they're going to go for a coach in the same mold as Doug and Siri, and it's going to be more of the same.

If they don’t make a change this week then the next game is on short rest so it won’t happen then. At that point it’s too late (might be already)

If they do make a change I can see Sirriani doing it behind scenes so Patullo saves face. But sadly I think Sirriani is watching the ship sink and taking no action

Just now, pgcd3 said:

Did the ‘rather be right than win’ actually crowd enjoy the SB victory?

I was apart of the "this is 2023 all over again" crowd. I was told I was wrong

I’m still baffled how Campbell didn’t get a single defensive snap. Tank Bigsby had just one offensive snap. Eagles didn’t run a single play with a 6th OL.

I can kinda of understand the OL because Pryor sucks but completely abandoning what worked is weird. The Campbell/Bigsby stuff just makes no sense at all.

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

If they don’t make a change this week then the next game is on short rest so it won’t happen then. At that point it’s too late (might be already)

If they do make a change I can see Sirriani doing it behind scenes so Patullo saves face. But sadly I think Sirriani is watching the ship sink and taking no action

I’m not so sure Sirianni would be the one making the decision. I agree it would be made behind the scenes.

2 minutes ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

First year offenses have advantages on tape, for the exact same reason that Hurts had an advantage on tape in 2022, with that being his first year as a more improved passer. We can take examples like this, and they are worth noting to some degree, but it's also worth noting that first year advantage also plays into things.

It's not a first year offense. Ben Johnson was doing the same things in Detroit for years. Furthermore, while there is purpose to what they were doing and I envy having an offensive mind/play caller like him the Eagles players made it very easy on them. I coached JH football for many years not that long ago and I've got news for everybody, football is football to some degree. The basic principles of the sport transition from level to level. Defensively you have a job to do and you can't try to be a hero and play outside of your responsibility. If your job is contain you stay home, PERIOD. If one guy eats everybody eats was our line. Our DE's were constantly playing hero ball and not holding contain which created a lot of the problems in the run game. A prime example is on the last first down of the game where Williams did a naked boot leg. Hunt crashed down hard and left the back door completely vacated and made it easy for Williams to run for the first down. I had 13 year olds who knew better than that. So yeah, save the excuses.

As it currently stands, I'd put the Eagles chances at blowing the division at about 20%.

If the Eagles lose to the Chargers and the Cowboys beat the Lions, IMO that jumps to about 60%. The Eagles would have a half game lead with the Raiders, Commies x2 and the Bills.

The Cowboys would have home vs Chargers, Giants, Vikings, and @Commies. That favors Dallas.

At that point though, if it gets that close, I may prefer to miss the playoffs. Just like I did in 2023. To get Sirianni canned.

This is coaching. I just refuse to believe this is the best option they have

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m still baffled how Campbell didn’t get a single defensive snap. Tank Bigsby had just one offensive snap. Eagles didn’t run a single play with a 6th OL.

I can kinda of understand the OL because Pryor sucks but completely abandoning what worked is weird. The Campbell/Bigsby stuff just makes no sense at all.

I’m not surprised at all that Dean played every snap over Campbell. It was trending that way and Ben Johnson can put LBs/safeties in hell with his playcalling/design.

1 minute ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m still baffled how Campbell didn’t get a single defensive snap. Tank Bigsby had just one offensive snap. Eagles didn’t run a single play with a 6th OL.

I can kinda of understand the OL because Pryor sucks but completely abandoning what worked is weird. The Campbell/Bigsby stuff just makes no sense at all.

It makes perfect sense with Bigsby since our coaches on offense are total morons. Why Campbell didn't play at all was/is confusing and concerning. Dean should be starting, but Campbell should be playing.

Just now, pgcd3 said:

This is coaching. I just refuse to believe this is the best option they have

We have to do that because Jalen Hurts doesn’t like to throw over the middle… or something.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

I’m not surprised at all that Dean played every snap over Campbell. It was trending that way and Ben Johnson can put LBs/safeties in hell with his playcalling/design.

With the pure volume of snaps and the way they were gashed it was odd

Just now, pgcd3 said:

This is coaching. I just refuse to believe this is the best option they have

100%. We see this happen multiple times a week and yet they continue to put him out there as a key blocker week in and week out. One of many fireable offenses by everyone involved in putting together this offense.

1 minute ago, ManuManu said:

We have to do that because Jalen Hurts doesn’t like to throw over the middle… or something.

Right and we can’t give Bigsby runs because of Jalen Hurts lack of arm strength

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

If they don’t make a change this week then the next game is on short rest so it won’t happen then. At that point it’s too late (might be already)

If they do make a change I can see Sirriani doing it behind scenes so Patullo saves face. But sadly I think Sirriani is watching the ship sink and taking no action

Tbh I’m not sure sirianni gets to ultimately make the decision of keeping KP as OC. I think if lurie is disgruntled and upset enough it might come from Him to do it. still think Lurie having a meeting with aj brown during practice saying to brown he has nothing to apologize for is somewhat noteworthy. Maybe it’s him just being cordial but i feel like he knows what’s happening on offense and he was giving sirianni and KP a little more time after the bye to fix it.

In all seriousness… I won’t defend Calcaterra’s run blocking, but look how hard that edge defender crashes down the line. That’s just a tough block for any TE to make.

Imagine if we ran play action off that and had our QB roll out when we see teams doing this? Instead we run the same stuff and wonder why it isn’t working.

Just now, T-1000 said:

Plays like naked boot legs

This!!!!!

I know someone said Jalen doesn’t like having his back to the defense but even if that’s true you make him. With this personnel they would be like 90% on 3rd/4th and 3 if they ran legit boot legs.

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tbh I’m not sure sirianni gets to ultimately make the decision of keeping KP as OC. I think if lurie is disgruntled and upset enough it might come from Him to do it. still think Lurie having a meeting with aj brown during practice saying to brown he has nothing to apologize for is somewhat noteworthy. Maybe it’s him just being cordial but i feel like he knows what’s happening on offense and he was giving sirianni and KP a little more time after the bye to fix it.

I don’t Lurie would force an in season coaching staff change. After the season yes

5 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

I’m still baffled how Campbell didn’t get a single defensive snap. Tank Bigsby had just one offensive snap. Eagles didn’t run a single play with a 6th OL.

I can kinda of understand the OL because Pryor sucks but completely abandoning what worked is weird. The Campbell/Bigsby stuff just makes no sense at all.

Add to this, young played 34 defensive snaps yesterday. Ojomo played the most at DT. That also makes no sense. Even short week ojomo shouldn’t be outsnapping Jalen Carter unless Carter gets hurt

5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

With the pure volume of snaps and the way they were gashed it was odd

Dean is much better against the run than Campbell. Of course Fangio wouldn’t decided to sit him for Campbell while getting gashed. It would have been worse.

Just now, ManuManu said:

In all seriousness… I won’t defend Calcaterra’s run blocking, but look how hard that edge defender crashes down the line. That’s just a tough block for any TE to make.

Imagine if we ran play action off that and had our QB roll out when we see teams doing this?

Weve gone back to 2019. Is this not one of the things we kept saying with Carson wentz that year and Doug refused. The analytics showed that rolling out and getting him outside the pocket helped and yet we just didn’t want to do it. Again misusing personnel was the beginning of the end for Doug here (granted talent really began to erode much sooner than this roster)