3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

I don’t Lurie would force an in season coaching staff change. After the season yes

Eh i don’t think Matt Patricia decision was made by Nick sirianni. He will say it but Patricia was alway there waiting for whe/if Desai failed as i believe that’s who lurie/howie were more comfortable with.

8 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

100%. We see this happen multiple times a week and yet they continue to put him out there as a key blocker week in and week out. One of many fireable offenses by everyone involved in putting together this offense.

It’s cause they don’t maximize the talent they have on offense but they also misuse their personnel to run the offense they want. These were things said about Doug as the end of his tenure came to be. Really if you go back to 2019 and 2020 seasons with Doug, a lot of the things that were said right now with sirianni/Kp are said about them (besides wentz being a disaster in 2020). Offense is predictable, stale, not innovative and misusing their personnel and really didn’t have many answers for it for most of 2019 and in 2020 didn’t especially once wentz’s wheels fell off

3 hours ago, Parrot Head said:

Never forget….when preparing for this game yesterday, with cold, windy conditions, the coaching staff started with no touches for Tank Bigsby

And to top it off, 34 passes vs 17 runs with Barkley averaging 4.3 and Hurts averaging 7.8 on the ground. YEA, let's call twice as many passing plays.

The Calcaterra thing is exhibit A of why this team's main issue is coaching. It's not just the play design. It's the usage of personnel. There is no one to blame for using Calcaterra like that but coaching.

And the fact that Gipson is still on the roster tells us that when his shoulder heals, he will be back to return duties again, which is laughable in its own right. This has been a recurring theme all season. Inexplicable usage of personnel. If Shipley and Dillon never got banged up I guarantee Bigsby would've never been used. And he's been great and they decided to randomly stop using him. In the midst of Barkley being on the injury report with a groin. It's all so comical.

4 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And to top it off, 34 passes vs 17 runs with Barkley averaging 4.3 and Hurts averaging 7.8 on the ground. YEA, let's call twice as many passing plays.

16:1 pass run in the last 2 garbage time drives. Kind of skews the numbers…

Just now, bpac55 said:

And to top it off, 34 passes vs 17 runs with Barkley averaging 4.3 and Hurts averaging 7.8 on the ground. YEA, let's call twice as many passing plays.

Tbh Barkley’s rushing numbers after the first 2 drives were pretty pedestrian.

1st 2 drives: 4 for 22 (5.5 yards per carry)

rest of the game: 9 for 34 (3.8 yards per carry)

There is such a disconnect between personnel and scheme.

Our TEs can't block? Use em as blockers.
Our WRs can't block? Run screens.
Have a short-yardage play? Use Saquon over Tank
Dickerson can't move because of the meniscus? Have him pull

Our best plays pretty much all come from empty because Hurts' legs actively scare defenses + it's harder to double our 2 good WRs with all that space. Yet we still run more condensed sets than empty sets.

7 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And to top it off, 34 passes vs 17 runs with Barkley averaging 4.3 and Hurts averaging 7.8 on the ground. YEA, let's call twice as many passing plays.

We ended the game with 16 passes on our final 18 offensive snaps(a scramble and a draw were the runs) on our final two drives because we were down two scores.

I think you’re missing some serious context…

1 minute ago, RLC said:

There is such a disconnect between personnel and scheme.

Our TEs can't block? Use em as blockers.
Our WRs can't block? Run screens.
Have a short-yardage play? Use Saquon over Tank
Dickerson can't move because of the meniscus? Have him pull

Our best plays pretty much all come from empty because Hurts' legs actively scare defenses + it's harder to double our 2 good WRs with all that space. Yet we still run more condensed sets than empty sets.

Imo this is due to running the offense they want to run and want it to be and not an offense dictated on what your current personnel is and says you should be.

17 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

As it currently stands, I'd put the Eagles chances at blowing the division at about 20%.

If the Eagles lose to the Chargers and the Cowboys beat the Lions, IMO that jumps to about 60%. The Eagles would have a half game lead with the Raiders, Commies x2 and the Bills.

The Cowboys would have home vs Chargers, Giants, Vikings, and @Commies. That favors Dallas.

At that point though, if it gets that close, I may prefer to miss the playoffs. Just like I did in 2023. To get Sirianni canned.

Well, let's play out this schedule.

A quite pessimistic but not impossible prediction for the season would be losses against the Chargers and Bills, beating the Raiders, and splitting with the Commanders. That's 2-3 the rest of the way finishes us at 10-7. Dallas goes @DET, Minnesota, Chargers, @DC, @NYG. And they are feeling it right now. I don't see them as being capable of running the table, but 4-1 is possible if they start off by beating Detroit. So that finishes them at 10-5-1 and division champs.

That scenario has entered the realm of real possibility, but it's still really unlikely. If the Eagles just manage to hover above .500 it doesn't happen. And if Dallas even remotely slips up, it doesn't happen. But if they beat DET and we lose to LAC next week, that's a huge step in that direction.

12 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Eh i don’t think Matt Patricia decision was made by Nick sirianni. He will say it but Patricia was alway there waiting for whe/if Desai failed as i believe that’s who lurie/howie were more comfortable with.

Matt Patricia was brought onboard by Howie who was a huge fan of him. That demote Desai for Patricia move was for sure made or at least pressured onto Nick by Howie.

I also think how terribly that ended up working out in 2023 makes Nick hesitant to do an in season demotion like that again. Plus it is his good friend who he hired. I don't think anything will happen until the end of the season and then Howie and Lurie will have their talk about needing a new OC that they will pick or Nick will have to pack his bags as well.

I think that is a big reason why the details of Nick's new contract ever came public. They low-balled him because even though he came off of a Super Bowl win they didn't have full faith in him and he had already made the move to hire his friend instead of look at any outside options at OC.

3 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Some crazy things with the defense. I get short week but young playing 34 defensive snaps which is more than Nolan smith. And ojomo playing the same amount of defensive snaps as Jalen Carter. Going to watch the all 22. I don’t think any of our DTs played great but felt like against the run ojomo and young were by far our two worse run defenders. 

I've been saying it all year. Byron Young offers nothing for the amount of snaps he's playing. I noticed him for the first time all year yesterday. He broke through the line untouched then looked like he had no idea what to do standing up as straight as he could while the RB ran to the left side of the line. The Eagles have always had better than expected production from DT4. This year, not the case. How he is playing that many snaps, let alone still on the roster is beyond confusing.

1 hour ago, AmericanEagle77 said:

Sirianni has literally lied and been revealed to lie to take the blame for players. Do you seriously believe he wouldn't do the same for his own coaching staff?

I'm so tired of Eagles fans, man. Look.

WHEN YOU HAVE A GUY WHO MAKES A MIDSEASON CHANGE TO TRY TO RIGHT THE SHIP, AND THE ONLY THING IT DOES IS MAKE PEOPLE CALL FOR HIS JOB MORE, HE'S GOING TO BE SKITTISH ABOUT MAKING MORE MIDSEASON CHANGES FOR THE EXACT SAME REASON.

Everybody who acts like 2023 was the worst season they've ever experienced (It wasn't, unless you're like 20), and all woe is me worst thing ever man we hate him so much, fire him, because literally all of you thanks to the Super Bowl victory in 2018 forgot what it feels like to ACTUALLY have a TRULY bad season (Doug, who almost won three times LESS games than Doug did in that season), it's literally those people. Nick tried that in 2023, got absolutely obliterated for it, people calling it a 'scapegoat change' and putting that on Sirianni too, no Fing wonder he's hesitant to change it.

But Eagles fans are like 90% emotion, so does anyone expect them to figure that out? Nope, because it involves maybe realizing they aren't helping, go figure.

Yes the guy ****ing about fans in all caps is the sane one. Got it.

1 minute ago, bpac55 said:

I've been saying it all year. Byron Young offers nothing for the amount of snaps he's playing. I noticed him for the first time all year yesterday. He broke through the line untouched then looked like he had no idea what to do standing up as straight as he could while the RB ran to the left side of the line. The Eagles have always had better than expected production from DT4. This year, not the case. How he is playing that many snaps, let alone still on the roster is beyond confusing.

The defense yesterday was bad all around but before watching the all 22, ojomo and young were the two worst DL in that game. They were both bad against the run pretty routinely. They had both out there for one play and both got worked and it went for a sizable gain.

NCAA officials not being a part of the story, unlike the NFL. Not throwing the player out of the game for that was a very generous call for officials that understand the importance of this game and making the best game possible... not for the teams, per se, but for the fans that are watching.

Great job NCAA officials.

12 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

What’s gonna make this whole season feel worse in the end, is that the Eagles have 10 out of 11 starters out there on offense and 10 out of 11 starters out there on defense going into week 14. They’ve been pretty fortunate with injury luck this season and yet on the verge of an implosion.

We really haven't, injuries are the main reason the line sucks so bad. Lane was hurt and playing on it, now on IR, jurgens and Dickerson have been hurt all year long and it's extremely obvious they can't move because of it.

We got really lucky last year, this year we have no such luck

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well, let's play out this schedule.

A quite pessimistic but not impossible prediction for the season would be losses against the Chargers and Bills, beating the Raiders, and splitting with the Commanders. That's 2-3 the rest of the way finishes us at 10-7. Dallas goes @DET, Minnesota, Chargers, @DC, @NYG. And they are feeling it right now. I don't see them as being capable of running the table, but 4-1 is possible if they start off by beating Detroit. So that finishes them at 10-5-1 and division champs.

That scenario has entered the realm of real possibility, but it's still really unlikely. If the Eagles just manage to hover above .500 it doesn't happen. And if Dallas even remotely slips up, it doesn't happen. But if they beat DET and we lose to LAC next week, that's a huge step in that direction.

10-5-1 isn't enough games. I think you mean 10-6-1.

56 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I believe that Sirianni is a terrible offensive coach and a coach in general who's been out of answers for two years. His bacon was saved last year when they had the best rushing season ever and the best Eagles defense ever. But now that those two aspects have fallen off, he's back to being exposed again.

Jalen Hurts has been bad lately, but we've all watched enough football to see QBs start to falter when the coaching around them suffers. Caleb Williams last season looked awful. Now look at him.

Look at Daniel Jones this year with Steichen.

Look at Mac Jones with Shanahan.

Sirianni offers no tangible edge when it comes to coaching. He's not elevating players and making them look good. He's a personality manager. Let's just call it for what it is.

I don't often agree with you but this post is spot on. Great coaches elevate players. Decent coaches get what they should out of players. Bad coaches get less out of their talent. Yesterday's game was a prime example of just where the Eagles are at. You look to the opposition and see Ben Johnson making Caleb Williams look like a really good NFL QB and making Swift/Monongai look like better versions of Gibbs/Montgomery. Meanwhile there is our offense where everyone looks like the worst version of their NFL careers pretty much this entire season.

QB is the biggest position when it comes to this. It's why so many kids coming out of the draft fail or succeed simply based on where they end up and what coaching they get. Why was Baker Mayfield so bad with the Browns and Panthers, and has been so good with in Tampa. Why was Sam Darnold so bad with the Jets and Panthers, and so good with the Vikings and Seahawks. Daniel Jones and Mac Jones are also prime examples.

How anyone could come away from yesterday's game watching the Bears offense and our offense on the same field and not realize the impact that coaching has and just how bad our offensive coaching is is beyond me. I'm never going to blame coaches for everything. This team's problems go beyond coaching and Hurts was terrible yesterday and needs to be better for example. However, I can't stress enough how great coaches get more out of their talent and even good coaches are often able to do that. We have the opposite, bad coaches getting the worst version possible of what is on paper one of the most talented collection of skill players in the league. I'm not sure how Roseman can put together the talent he has and allocate so much cap to that side of the ball and sit back and watch what's going on and think it's ok.

17 minutes ago, bpac55 said:

And to top it off, 34 passes vs 17 runs with Barkley averaging 4.3 and Hurts averaging 7.8 on the ground. YEA, let's call twice as many passing plays.

As long as AJ’s in a better mood! Weeee!

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Well, let's play out this schedule.

A quite pessimistic but not impossible prediction for the season would be losses against the Chargers and Bills, beating the Raiders, and splitting with the Commanders. That's 2-3 the rest of the way finishes us at 10-7. Dallas goes @DET, Minnesota, Chargers, @DC, @NYG. And they are feeling it right now. I don't see them as being capable of running the table, but 4-1 is possible if they start off by beating Detroit. So that finishes them at 10-5-1 and division champs.

That scenario has entered the realm of real possibility, but it's still really unlikely. If the Eagles just manage to hover above .500 it doesn't happen. And if Dallas even remotely slips up, it doesn't happen. But if they beat DET and we lose to LAC next week, that's a huge step in that direction.

If the Eagles lose to the Chargers and the Cowboys beat the Lions, I think the Eagles are gonna have to beat the Commies twice and the Raiders or it’s over.

51 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I believe that Sirianni is a terrible offensive coach and a coach in general who's been out of answers for two years. His bacon was saved last year when they had the best rushing season ever and the best Eagles defense ever. But now that those two aspects have fallen off, he's back to being exposed again.

Jalen Hurts has been bad lately, but we've all watched enough football to see QBs start to falter when the coaching around them suffers. Caleb Williams last season looked awful. Now look at him.

Look at Daniel Jones this year with Steichen.

Look at Mac Jones with Shanahan.

Sirianni offers no tangible edge when it comes to coaching. He's not elevating players and making them look good. He's a personality manager. Let's just call it for what it is.

Daniel Jones was a QB with a poor OL and no real weapons in NY. He went to Indy and has this years best RB, an excellent OL, and pretty darn nice WRs in addition to one of the elite TEs in the league already as a rookie.

The OC makes a difference, probably but the bigger part of that picture is that Daniel Jones is finally surrounded with talent. And he is a real QB who is capable of running an NFL offense with good talent around him. The OC did not have to dumb his offense down to high school levels.

Caleb Williams is benefitting from the addition of Swift, an excellent run blocking OL, and suddenly a pretty nice WR corps. Odunze was a rookie last year. Now he has Odunze in year two, plus DJ Moore, and another draft pick in Burden who was a 1st round talent picked in round 2. And he has an excellent rookie TE in Loveland. Again, the offensive coach in Chicago is a big deal, but that guy has a ton of weapons, and he is able to handle running that offense. Ben Johnson didnt have to dumb down that offense to high school levels.

Shannahans offense is very QB friendly in that it doesnt ask him to do much throwing down field. It schemes guys open close to the LOS and relies on physical runners to make plays after the catch. McCaffrey gets run in to the ground in that offense. Kittle is declining but still a very good TE. Jauan Jennings and Peasall are nice enough players with a scheme that gets them open and lets the QB make easy throws. Mac Jones is capable of running that system with motions and placing the ball so the WRs can RAC with quick decisions and on time delivery. Same goes for Purdy. So the system did not have to be dumbed down to high school levels. Offensive coaching is a huge part of what theyre doing there.

But the most important thing in each scenario is that the QB is able to play within those systems rather than having to adapt to a very basic system to help the QB survive in the league.

17 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

It’s cause they don’t maximize the talent they have on offense but they also misuse their personnel to run the offense they want. These were things said about Doug as the end of his tenure came to be. Really if you go back to 2019 and 2020 seasons with Doug, a lot of the things that were said right now with sirianni/Kp are said about them (besides wentz being a disaster in 2020). Offense is predictable, stale, not innovative and misusing their personnel and really didn’t have many answers for it for most of 2019 and in 2020 didn’t especially once wentz’s wheels fell off

Which is one of the worst things any coach at any level can do. The mindset that "this is my offense" and I will run "my offense" without consideration for the talent you have and putting them in a position to maximize their strengths and cover up their weaknesses. It's more of an abstract idea than some other things but it might be the biggest problem when it comes to coaching that Sirianni has shown as an "offensive mind." Especially when you consider that the scheme is predictable and vanilla and predicated on simply ling up and out athleting the opposition.

2 minutes ago, Saltpeter said:

Yes the guy ****ing about fans in all caps is the sane one. Got it.

just wanna point this out I think this collapse if it happens is far worse than 2023. In 2023 you knew the defense was going to have a major regression that year. They lost a lot of guys, new DC and they frankly just didn’t have the talent to be anything better than maybe average. And you were having a first year offensive coordinator and a first year defensive coordinator. Furthermore, on offense, I can make the argument that the skill position players for the Eagles are superior to what the skill position players were in 2023. Now the offensive line isn’t as good.

Additionally, this is year five of Nick Sirianni‘s coaching career. This happened once before. So you would hope he would learn something from 2023 and be able to make adjustments and make some fixes so that collapse doesn’t happen. So if that collapse does happen over the next five weeks, in my opinion would be far worse than the collapse of 2023.

1 minute ago, DaBirds said:

As long as AJ’s in a better mood! Weeee!

I'm glad you brought up. He has CLEARLY been in a better mood after the last two games which were losses than he had been after several wins. I wonder why.

Michigan just got completely hosed. Football refs are just God awful at all levels.