5 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

100% they'd get rid of Sirriani before Hurts

Generally curious on what lurie would’ve been thinking if sirianni would’ve gotten beaten down by the saints and Bucs going into the week 5 bye last year. Like when Doug was fired a bunch of news came out, whenever that time comes i suspect we see the same with sirianni

You can tell they didn't love this draft class by the draft video. I still think Campbell will be a player and Mukaba had actually settled in well for a rookie. You can immediately see how much worse Brown is

Just now, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Generally curious on what Kyrie would’ve been thinking if sirianni would’ve gotten beaten down by the saints and Bucs going into the week 5 bye last year. Like when Doug was fired a bunch of news came out, whenever that time comes i suspect we see the same with sirianni

Why do you care what Kyrie Irving thinks?

The part that is so damning for Sirriani is that the lows are so low.

I mean, if we were talking about your garden variety Super Bowl hangover where things just aren’t going your way, but you’re still a good competitive team who falls short of a repeat, that’s normal stuff.

But, it’s never that. It’s always a complete bottom out meltdown. That’s why a good portion of the fan base is livid. The team quits on their coach every year that things get tough. They then go on to play like the worst team in the NFL regardless of the talent on the roster.

The animus from the fan base is completely deserved.

1 minute ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Generally curious on what Kyrie would’ve been thinking if sirianni would’ve gotten beaten down by the saints and Bucs going into the week 5 bye last year. Like when Doug was fired a bunch of news came out, whenever that time comes i suspect we see the same with sirianni

Kyrie Irving?

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

One point to argue when comparing collapses…the word collapse implies that you’ve built something and are crumbling from some height.

I think both collapses are somewhat exaggerated because in 2023…and now in 2025, so many of the wins early in the season were very, very lucky. This team’s 8 wins could easily be 5 right now, maybe less. And practically every game they won in 2023 was a coin toss.

We were extremely lucky to be at 8-2. Extremely lucky. Built into that collapse is that the luck just ran out.

I view it as at least early in the season with those teams they were competitive and were in those games. Got lucky bounces. In 2023 they really were uncompetitive against the giants week 18 then wild card round against Tampa. Then also began losing games to teams like the crap cardinals, backup Qb drew lock and the giants. Early in the season, the Eagles would’ve beaten those bad teams outside of the 1 jets game (kind of similar to the eagles losing to the giants on Thursday night football)

1 minute ago, 315Eagles said:

Kyrie Irving?

Damn autocorrect

2 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

Why do you care what Kyrie Irving thinks?

Yeah no clue why it autocorrected to that. Should’ve proof read it before hitting submit reply

I think Mukuba is Nate Allen 2.0 or, at best, Quinten Mikell. Nate Allen started early in his career and was "fine.” Then he just didn’t progress into much of an asset. Mukuba is fine. His upside is a safety that everyone feels fine about in the defensive backfield but not someone that anyone is attached to or a playmaker. Mukuba is far smaller and a much worse tackler than those two, but seems to move better and be more fluid in coverage. He had a couple INTs on balls that went right to him, has proven to be better than Sidney Brown, and has had some big breakdowns in pass coverage and tackling. That’s all fine for a rookie, but I’m not seeing anything special.

Campbell is going to be a really good LB. It’s questionable resource allocation considering we spend a 3rd round pick mid season for the best edge on the team and we already have big money invested in Baun. I don’t think anyone is ever going to be satisfied knowing we spent a 1st round pick on the 2nd best off ball LB on the team (long term, this year he’s 3rd best). But he’s going to be a good player in this defense for a long time. Just nothing special or foundational.

Not every draft can be 2024. That won them a SB. But I don’t think 2025 is going to be the reason they win any SBs.

7 minutes ago, Parrot Head said:

The part that is so damning for Sirriani is that the lows are so low.

I mean, if we were talking about your garden variety Super Bowl hangover where things just aren’t going your way, but you’re still a good competitive team who falls short of a repeat, that’s normal stuff.

But, it’s never that. It’s always a complete bottom out meltdown. That’s why a good portion of the fan base is livid. The team quits on their coach every year that things get tough. They then go on to play like the worst team in the NFL regardless of the talent on the roster.

The animus from the fan base is completely deserved.

They were 2-2 last year and didn't quit. I'm fine criticizing this 2025 team and the offense but people are using revisionist history on a team that's been to 2 SBs and won one in the last 3 years. Not every season goes well as evidenced by 30 other nfl teams other than the Chiefs recently

WAY too soon to making conclusions about anyone from the 2025 class. The 2024 class was an exception. It was easy to see fairly early that they hit home runs with Mitchell and Dejean. More often than not it takes a good 2-3 years to get an idea for how good or bad a draft pick is going to be, especially when you are picking so late in every round. I'm not as optimistic about the 2025 class but it's just too early to tell.

1 minute ago, T-1000 said:

WAY too soon to making conclusions about anyone from the 2025 class. The 2024 class was an exception. It was easy to see fairly early that they hit home runs with Mitchell and Dejean. More often than not it takes a good 2-3 years to get an idea for how good or bad a draft pick is going to be, especially when you are picking so late in every round. I'm not as optimistic about the 2025 class but it's just too early to tell.

Way too soon for a conclusion, never too soon for an evaluation.

4 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

They were 2-2 last year and didn't quit. I'm fine criticizing this 2025 team and the offense but people are using revisionist history on a team that's been to 2 SBs and won one in the last 3 years. Not every season goes well as evidenced by 30 other nfl teams other than the Chiefs recently

Well, spin can go both ways.

See, if they melt down again this year, which I expect after the body language I saw yesterday, then that will be a complete collapse 2 out of the last 3 years.

Not just a bad season. We literally become the worst team in the NFL at the end of those seasons.

So, IDGAF that they caught fire with Saquon last year and rode it all the way. It’s just not a well coached team.

28 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

The falloff on the OL is pretty extreme. Every interior player is worse this year with 2 injuries and a player downgrade. It's making a huge difference. Also Mailata has been just ok and Lane is out. And when you have weak O coaches you can't work around that

Stoutland belongs in that. I really started to focus on the OL the last few games and I can assure you that it isn't just because of injuries. Several times vs the Bears alone you had OL blocking the wrong man. One was even pointed out on the broadcast. Stoutland university is Ursinus this year.

1 minute ago, Sack that QB said:

Stoutland belongs in that. I really started to focus on the OL the last few games and I can assure you that it isn't just because of injuries. Several times vs the Bears alone you had OL blocking the wrong man. One was even pointed out on the broadcast. Stoutland university is Ursinus this year.

You wonder how that can happen. All these guys have played a lot. Even Steen logged a good number of snaps last year and is on week 13 this year

I think you can safely remove "and Playoffs" from this thread title.

4 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Way too soon for a conclusion, never too soon for an evaluation.

I like Campbell. I think he’s gonna be fine going forward. Do I think he’s gonna be a superstar linebacker? Probably not but I also think it’s super hard to find those guys. Like Zach Baum hitting the way he did coming in free agency was a surprise. I don’t think any of us thought he’d be that great when he signed here. I understand why they went after. First they love the player and I think fangio played a big role in that. Second economically they weren’t gonna be able to keep baun and Dean after 2025. They made the decision to pay baun. So they got ahead of the curve by getting Campbell who they loved to eventually be the heir apparent to Nakobe Dean.

That said, I was more going with the philosophy of build through your trenches. They did a good job later in the draft picking up some guys that I liked but those guys besides Kendall were never going to be ready for 2025. Imo they were projects that you hoped would be ready to contribute as competent backups by 2026. felt like they lost a lot in the trenches with sweat, Williams, Becton, Fred Johnson (at the time) leaving and Graham retiring. Plus lane being a year older.

So here's my take on the overall direction of the NFL and the Eagles. A bit of a narrative.

1998-2000 happen. Kurt Warner and the St. Louis Rams take over the NFL with an aerial onslaught. The golden age of the QB begins. Peyton Manning, Tom Brady, Drew Brees, Russell Wilson, prime Aron Rodgers, even Rothlesburger and a bit of Phillip Rivers. Every offense that had any chance of competing had a QB throwing 40 times per game with fantastic success. The league liked passing highlights, officiating was sculpted to favor it and protect QBs and WRs....Lurie bought into this too. The mere notion of building around a running game, RB, running QB...felt so backwards and futile. Athletic run-first QBs were a parade of busts. Defenses got smaller. Edge rushers with worse and worse anchors and faster and faster just to get into the backfield to disrupt the pass.

It felt like you couldn't even remotely compete if you were not one of the teams blessed with one of the top 3-5 QBs...and more like top 3 than top 5. And then the new generation of top QB's came up the ranks as the other guys got old: Mahomes, Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Burrow. Burrow was the only one in the mold of the older guys (and he's always hurt). Mahomes was the only one that put up passing numbers as truly voluminous as the older guys, but he has really fallen off. Allen and Lamar Jackson are human highlight reels, but they just aren't nearly as sophisticated or reliable with high volume passing as the generation before them.

So the "top 5" QBs of this generation really had a fall off in terms of repeatable dominance compared to their predecessors. There was less of a gap between them and the rest of the NFL. Combine that with a league full of defenses built to stop the pass...

The Eagles built a mammoth elite run blocking OL, sniped out a generationally talented RB from an underachieving situation, and had a clutch dual threat QB who wasn't a good passer. That's been a bad blueprint for YEARS...no, decades now. But they timed it with a perfect crease of opportunity....no dominant QB play that just takes over games, defenses that weren't built to hold up against our physical offense...and the league couldn't stop it. BOOM...SB champs.

I think that crease is now gone. We can't throw well enough to discourage run blitzes and stacked boxes. The generational RB grinded his odometer past that talent level now. And the OL is no longer a weapon. I don't think following that same blueprint is the way to go this time. It worked out, but that lighting isn't going to strike twice.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Stoutland belongs in that. I really started to focus on the OL the last few games and I can assure you that it isn't just because of injuries. Several times vs the Bears alone you had OL blocking the wrong man. One was even pointed out on the broadcast. Stoutland university is Ursinus this year.

Yeah it’s why i said it’s kind of overstated about the injuries. Injuries definitely haven’t helped but they’ve also just played poorly as they’ve missed assignments and just gotten beat at times.

Just a theory of mine, you can call it Super Bowl hangover or whatever. I don’t think this team has lacked focus like last year. I think they played the game of their life in that Super Bowl and they came back this year thinking we’re just gonna be able to do that against teams. Look what we did to the Chiefs and we a good amount of the core back. With everything that surrounds winning a Super Bowl, coming back from a short off-season their focus and attention to detail is lacking. It’s why you can see it in spurts with this team. Like the Rams game in 4th quarter were that energy a focus was there. Or the start of the Dallas game. And then they kinda lose it over the course of the game or find it over the course of a game. Add that with the fact the coaching is worse now on the offensive side of the ball, and some guys regressed from last year.

How is the upcoming OL draft class? It's hard to imagine the Eagles not forcing it with OL early and often this year. So it better be a good class.

23 minutes ago, T-1000 said:

WAY too soon to making conclusions about anyone from the 2025 class. The 2024 class was an exception. It was easy to see fairly early that they hit home runs with Mitchell and Dejean. More often than not it takes a good 2-3 years to get an idea for how good or bad a draft pick is going to be, especially when you are picking so late in every round. I'm not as optimistic about the 2025 class but it's just too early to tell.

I think they drafted Robinson to take over for Ojomo after two years the way Ojomo took over from Williams after two years. Carter is the constant. Problem is Robinson has showed nothing. If you watched his limited PT you would see he never made any penetration and was frankly stoned at the LOS every pass play. The one thing he did this year was to knock down one pass. Un;less he makes vast improvement next year he can't be counted to take over from Ojomo in 2027.

6 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

How is the upcoming OL draft class? It's hard to imagine the Eagles not forcing it with OL early and often this year. So it better be a good class.

It's not projected to be as good as the last two drafts. Not the best year it seems right now to have big OL needs. In general it's just a bad draft class. I agree OL will be their top target, I just don't know if this is the year for it. The last thing you want to do is reach in the first round for Lane's heir apparent. Or for a RG of the future.

3 minutes ago, Eagles1960 said:

I think they drafted Robinson to take over for Ojomo after two years the way Ojomo took over from Williams after two years. Carter is the constant. Problem is Robinson has showed nothing. If you watched his limited PT you would see he never made any penetration and was frankly stoned at the LOS every pass play. The one thing he did this year was to knock down one pass. Un;less he makes vast improvement next year he can't be counted to take over from Ojomo in 2027.

Not sure how much ceiling he has left. He's a very old rookie.

I'm seeing a lot of the beat guys go "Fire Patullo isn't going to change anything, the problems run way deeper. They can try it, but it won't change anything."

If that's their stance, then if the Eagles collapse, their stance after the season can't also be "Sirianni shouldn't be fired." You can't have it both ways. If your stance is "It isn't Patullo, it's Sirianni... but also Sirianni shouldn't be fired" then what are we doing here? What is your solution exactly?

So I'm going to keep a mental note of all the beat guys who've been saying Patullo isn't at fault and see what their Sirianni takes are after the season if this thing collapses.

1 hour ago, jojodancer said:

The most blame goes to Howie Roseman here, ultimately. These are the players and the coaches he selected. And it's just not good enough. Simple as that. This team just isn't that talented as a whole. Has a lot of great pieces, but some fatal flaws that have caught up to them. This team is maybe one and done this year. There's also a Superbowl hangover where they got fat and happy. Guys coming off career years and only going down. I expect nothing from this team going forward this year. The changes to fix this needed to happen by now and they didn’t.

I agree with your first part of your post, Howie is to blame

He should have traded Hurts in 2023 offseason after the Superbowl. His trade market would have been very high and we would not be stuck with his massive contract. My suggestion that year was to trade him and move up to draft CJ Stroud. Stroud on this team would dominate and no lucrative contract holding back from resigning playmakers. Hurts is a good runner but a horrible QB. Not to mention he just sounds like a complete moron.