28 minutes ago, hoosierdaddy said:

I think you can safely remove "and Playoffs" from this thread title.

They'll probably squeak in, have an early exit, and secure a late 20's draft pick. You know football purgatory.

15 hours ago, we_gotta_believe said:

It's like they think that postponing the 2pt conversion attempt magically makes it more likely to be converted.

Stupid strawman per usual

Would be nice to see the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks (or 1st and Jets 3rd, at worst) going towards high upside OT and OG prospects, respectively. I think Lane will play in 2026 considering how this year is going, so that gives them the luxury of swinging for the fences a bit with a higher upside Stoutland project over a plug and play guy (Kadyn Proctor?)...and maybe even someone who gets some seasoning at RG before kicking out to RT. But a road grading OG is also a major priority, both to upgrade Steen and to provide insurance in case Dickerson never gets right.

Would be great to have Steen as a very experienced high end backup in 2026...I expect he'd play a lot at LG.

5 minutes ago, Iggles_Phan said:

Not sure how much ceiling he has left. He's a very old rookie.

Kind was my issue when they drafted him. He was older coming out and likely very close to his ceiling. Imo I felt like he was more of a product of playing in college 6 years was the reason he made the jumps last year in college. I’m hoping he can be a solid rotational guy in time but I’m more convinced now that his last season in college was more of an outlier than he is really that type of pass rusher. 

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Would be nice to see the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks (or 1st and Jets 3rd, at worst) going towards high upside OT and OG prospects, respectively. I think Lane will play in 2026 considering how this year is going, so that gives them the luxury of swinging for the fences a bit with a higher upside Stoutland project over a plug and play guy (Kadyn Proctor?)...and maybe even someone who gets some seasoning at RG before kicking out to RT. But a road grading OG is also a major priority, both to upgrade Steen and to provide insurance in case Dickerson never gets right.

Would be great to have Steen as a very experienced high end backup in 2026...I expect he'd play a lot at LG.

I agree. Fixing the o-line is priority #1.

6 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm seeing a lot of the beat guys go "Fire Patullo isn't going to change anything, the problems run way deeper. They can try it, but it won't change anything."

If that's their stance, then if the Eagles collapse, their stance after the season can't also be "Sirianni shouldn't be fired." You can't have it both ways. If your stance is "It isn't Patullo, it's Sirianni... but also Sirianni shouldn't be fired" then what are we doing here? What is your solution exactly?

So I'm going to keep a mental note of all the beat guys who've been saying Patullo isn't at fault and see what their Sirianni takes are after the season if this thing collapses.

If the problem runs deeper than OC, and its also not the HC... you know what option that leaves, right? You know who that points to?

Rout is on in the Big House.

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

I'd be interested to see the avg pocket time Hurts has this season compared to the NFL. In the past he has been #1 in pocket time. This year the pass protection does not seam horrible but wonder what the stats say.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

Would be nice to see the Eagles 1st and 2nd round picks (or 1st and Jets 3rd, at worst) going towards high upside OT and OG prospects, respectively. I think Lane will play in 2026 considering how this year is going, so that gives them the luxury of swinging for the fences a bit with a higher upside Stoutland project over a plug and play guy (Kadyn Proctor?)...and maybe even someone who gets some seasoning at RG before kicking out to RT. But a road grading OG is also a major priority, both to upgrade Steen and to provide insurance in case Dickerson never gets right.

Would be great to have Steen as a very experienced high end backup in 2026...I expect he'd play a lot at LG.

Depends on the board tbh. I’m for it but i think they are gonna have a lot of holes to fix. Frankly we should try to extend Phillips so pass rusher isn’t one of them until middle round if one falls to them. There’s a chance the eagles have to replace Blankenship, no. 2 corner, goedert and aj brown. Along with fixing the OL. I also think they could use a better DT than Jordan Davis and ojomo. I don’t think either are here past 2026.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

If the problem runs deeper than OC, and its also not the HC... you know what option that leaves, right? You know who that points to?

Cameron Latu?

1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

just wanna point this out I think this collapse if it happens is far worse than 2023. In 2023 you knew the defense was going to have a major regression that year. They lost a lot of guys, new DC and they frankly just didn’t have the talent to be anything better than maybe average. And you were having a first year offensive coordinator and a first year defensive coordinator. Furthermore, on offense, I can make the argument that the skill position players for the Eagles are superior to what the skill position players were in 2023. Now the offensive line isn’t as good.

Additionally, this is year five of Nick Sirianni‘s coaching career. This happened once before. So you would hope he would learn something from 2023 and be able to make adjustments and make some fixes so that collapse doesn’t happen. So if that collapse does happen over the next five weeks, in my opinion would be far worse than the collapse of 2023.

No question it would be worse, you’re right on all counts. I’d argue fans aren’t being harsh enough. That guy comparing this team’s struggles to the struggles of Mike McMahon, the ‘15 and ‘20 teams, the never-was teams of yesteryear - it makes no sense. What makes this team enraging, as you mentioned, is that it all feels like an egregious missed opportunity.

I'll buy all the fire and brimstone evaluations of Siri, Hurts, Barkley, the OL, and their futures here. But these guys did just win a SB. Mission accomplished. A SB run and title are immensely destabilizing for a roster. Howie couldn't keep it together and the guys he could keep couldn't keep it going and the coaches couldn't adjust. These guys did something great for the team/franchise/fanbase. The SB hangover, destabilization, schedule, and target-on-back situation broke them. If it hadn't, they'd be a dynasty. But we'll have to settle for champion. No need to be angry about it. Now, that said, like I said...I don't think any of them are going to get it back moving forward. But what they did last year will buy some of them years before the Eagles pivot.

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

If the problem runs deeper than OC, and its also not the HC... you know what option that leaves, right? You know who that points to?

I'm seeing plenty of beat guys defend Patullo while inferring Sirianni is the problem. Saying things like "Patullo is picking dishes from a menu he didn't build" or "The play caller isn't going to change the scheme." Things like that, that very obviously point to Sirianni. And then some guys who cover the team outright saying it like BLG.

And it's moot anyway because Hurts isn't going anywhere any time soon with that contract.

2 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Depends on the board tbh. I’m for it but i think they are gonna have a lot of holes to fix. Frankly we should try to extend Phillips so pass rusher isn’t one of them until middle round if one falls to them. There’s a chance the eagles have to replace Blankenship, no. 2 corner, goedert and aj brown. Along with fixing the OL. I also think they could use a better DT than Jordan Davis and ojomo. I don’t think either are here past 2026.

IMO, a very high upside OT prospect is a necessity. To the point they have to trade up if necessary. After that, they need an IOL prospect and I wouldn't look past that position in round 2 unless we had to trade the 2nd round pick to move up in round 1 for the aforementioned OT or unless there is a CB/TE we absolutely cannot pass up.

This offense functions its best when Hurts is deemed as a running threat. Time to bring that back into the offense. Also, a little more hurry up. They need to play with urgency and pace. It opens up the whole offense and keeps defenses on their toes. That should be the formula going forward. And Tank coming in and out. Thunder and lighting with he and Barkley. This really isn't that hard.

The Defense can not have Sydney Brown or Adoree starting. Give me Jakorian at CB and a higher IQ Safety back there with Justin Simmons as the replacements. Also, bring in Gabe Hall or Robinson for D Tackle snaps. Young ain't it. Time to give others a crack at these fatal flaws we have.

Patullo IS a bad OC. Too many people have shown too much evidence of things he has done (and not done).

But WHY do we have a bad OC? When you have a CEO HC, your OC will always be in flux, either due to success (HC promotion) or failure (fired). Continuity just isn't an option.

And...let's be honest with ourselves here...there's a reason Jalen Hurts has had a new play caller every year of his football life and the answer isn't bad luck.

1 minute ago, jojodancer said:

This offense functions its best when Hurts is deemed as a running threat. Time to bring that back into the offense. Also, a little more hurry up. They play with urgency and pace. It opens up the whole offnseqnd keeps defenses on their toes. That should be the formula going forward. And Tank coming in and out. Thunder and lighting with he and Barkely. This really isn't that hard. Defense can not have Sydney Brown or Adoree starting. Give me Jakorian at CB and higher IQ back there with Justin Simmons as the replacements. Also, bring in Gabe Hall or Robinson for D Tackle snaps. Young ain't it. Time to give others a crack at these fatal flaws we have.

Hurts is 27 now. He was always (still is) athletic, but was never a burner. He has accumulated some bumps and bruises in his NFL career. From a running standpoint, 27 isn't a spring chicken anymore. The only players in any defense that Hurts can outrun are the DTs. Every LB and every edge is going to run him down at this point. That's why he's only effective at running through the A gap when no one is home. When he bounces it wide, he gets run down every time.

Teams don't fear Hurts as a runner anymore. Sure, he'll frustrate someone and will nab a first every so often, but it's too easy to run him down for them to compromise coverage by spying him.

Just now, eagle45 said:

IMO, a very high upside OT prospect is a necessity. To the point they have to trade up if necessary. After that, they need an IOL prospect and I wouldn't look past that position in round 2 unless we had to trade the 2nd round pick to move up in round 1 for the aforementioned OT or unless there is a CB/TE we absolutely cannot pass up.

Tbh this is why i wanted Simmons last year. Imo he was a top 10 prospect if he didn’t get hurt his last year at OSU and fit your core philosophy. Not that i didn’t like Campbell. I did. Felt like they were more worried about finding dean’s replacement then accepting Becton as a bigger loss and lane may begin to break down at 35. i felt Simmons could be your heir apparent to lane and also give you better depth along the OL. I actually liked him more than Campbell (loved both). He's hurt now but not sure the same injury happens here. He would’ve given you better depth and ability to not require Dickerson to play on one leg.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm seeing a lot of the beat guys go "Fire Patullo isn't going to change anything, the problems run way deeper. They can try it, but it won't change anything."

If that's their stance, then if the Eagles collapse, their stance after the season can't also be "Sirianni shouldn't be fired." You can't have it both ways. If your stance is "It isn't Patullo, it's Sirianni... but also Sirianni shouldn't be fired" then what are we doing here? What is your solution exactly?

So I'm going to keep a mental note of all the beat guys who've been saying Patullo isn't at fault and see what their Sirianni takes are after the season if this thing collapses.

Firing Patullo is acknowledging that he's part of the problem. And at least acknowledging that is something.

8 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I'd be interested to see the avg pocket time Hurts has this season compared to the NFL. In the past he has been #1 in pocket time. This year the pass protection does not seam horrible but wonder what the stats say.

Not sure how accurate this is but Oline Pass Protection does not seam to be a problem if its even close to accurate. The eye test it seams like he has a nice pocket on most plays. Ive actually seen Hurts many time roll out of a clean pocket for no reason.

Now running lanes are a different story, but I still believe teams are scheming to stop Barkey as a first priority. Most say you run to get the pass game going, with this team and the defensive strategy against us it is the complete oppt. So until Hurts and this passing game get rolling, the run game will cont. to struggle.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm seeing plenty of beat guys defend Patullo while inferring Sirianni is the problem. Saying things like "Patullo is picking dishes from a menu he didn't build" or "The play caller isn't going to change the scheme." Things like that, that very obviously point to Sirianni. And then some guys who cover the team outright saying it like BLG.

And it's moot anyway because Hurts isn't going anywhere any time soon with that contract.

If he is the main problem (and he is) then the 65 million dead cap to trade him is money well spent. When you consider we are likely so spend a similar amount to trade AJ which will only make us worse and still stuck with the same QB...

Starting McKee with this team likely puts us back in the super bowl hunt.

11 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm seeing plenty of beat guys defend Patullo while inferring Sirianni is the problem. Saying things like "Patullo is picking dishes from a menu he didn't build" or "The play caller isn't going to change the scheme." Things like that, that very obviously point to Sirianni. And then some guys who cover the team outright saying it like BLG.

And it's moot anyway because Hurts isn't going anywhere any time soon with that contract.

Just saying patullo has been groomed by sirianni. it’s both sirianni and patullo. Patullo is awful at calling plays and having plays build off each other. It’s basically just randomly picking things from menu and hoping they work. Sirianni’s offense is very predictable, stale and telegraphed. Shannon sharpe and Ocho cinco have basically broken this down along with hurts’ issues.

Just now, HazletonEagle said:

If he is the main problem (and he is) then the 65 million dead cap to trade him is money well spent. When you consider we are likely so spend a similar amount to trade AJ which will only make us worse and still stuck with the same QB...

Starting McKee with this team likely puts us back in the super bowl hunt.

My Hurts frustration isn't far off yours. And I actually followed Mckee as a fan of his passing before the Eagles even drafted him. But I still don't believe in him. The passing can't get much worse than Hurts right now, but this offense still has 5 years of customization to him, and he to it. There is a 95% chance that throwing a late round pick like Mckee into this meat grinder of a situation will only facilitate the bottom giving way into absolute chaos.

Bill Belichek, Bill Parcells, AR, Sean Mcvay...I bet every one of them benches Jalen Hurts at halftime against the Bears just to see what happens with a more traditional passer in this offense. They were institutions. Siri, on the other hand, could get fired. And benching the franchise QB just to see the offense get even worse would get him fired.

Siri will not be fired in the offseason. If he benches Hurts and Mckee sucks, he will be. And if they go with Mckee next year and he's a flop, Siri is a goner then too. Siri's job is safer riding the Hurts express.

9 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

Hurts is 27 now. He was always (still is) athletic, but was never a burner. He has accumulated some bumps and bruises in his NFL career. From a running standpoint, 27 isn't a spring chicken anymore. The only players in any defense that Hurts can outrun are the DTs. Every LB and every edge is going to run him down at this point. That's why he's only effective at running through the A gap when no one is home. When he bounces it wide, he gets run down every time.

Teams don't fear Hurts as a runner anymore. Sure, he'll frustrate someone and will nab a first every so often, but it's too easy to run him down for them to compromise coverage by spying him.

Don't disagree totally. But earlier in games especially. Doesn't have to run that much to succeed. This could be something to resort to at times in a game. Maybe save this idea for later in the season before he gets injured. In the Bears game, offense looked decent when he ran with the hurry up. Still's got pretty good legs. Opens up the running game and play action. And the short passing game. Can go to screens to Goedert and Barkley. Add more jet sweeps as well. Need to be more dynamic here. Don't think they are utilizing that element enough. Gets them easy 1st downs, while not going 3 and out routinely.

Some other odds and ends I had in my notes:

If the Eagles have to choose between keeping one of Jordan Davis or Dean after the season, I'm keeping Dean. Davis went through a stretch earlier in the season where he finally flashed some pass rush chops, but it's not there consistently and I just don't think he's that good. He's a good run stuffing body, but I don't want to pay him what he's going to command. I don't know what keeping Dean does with Campbell and how they have to sort it all out, but I think Dean is a better player than Davis. DT in 2026 is a low key big need. Need another pass rusher to compliment Carter and Ojomo.

Baun has not jumped out nearly as much this season. He's still been good, but almost every week last season he was making some game changing play. A pick, a forced fumble, a key TFL. This year he's still technically sound and still where he needs to be, but very few impact game changing plays.

I have no idea what's up with Mailata this season. Dude's been pancaked multiple times in recent weeks. Is he gonna get some type of an offseason surgery? He said during the offseason it took him a long time to recover, but I remember some reporters saying during camp he was hobbling around and grabbing at his mid section for a large chunk of camp and just didn't look right. And we've seen it carry into the season.

Speaking of which, many beat reporters talked all camp about how the Eagles didn't have a great camp. And that's carried into the season. Usually, when the Eagles have a great camp, they have a great season. They had great camps in 2022 and 2024. Meh camps in 2023 and 2025.

Jake Elliott has fallen off lately after starting the season great. Possibly something to do with Hughlett getting hurt and the long snapper change? Eagles let Lovato go after Elliott's bad 2024 and I always wondered if they blamed Lovato somewhat.

Brandon Graham looks totally washed. I kinda feel bad for him honestly. It reeked of desperation to bring him back. I think I'd honestly rather have Za'Darius unretire at this point. He actually looked good when he played.

Nolan Smith is starting to come around as a pass rusher. Has been more explosive off the edge in recent weeks.

Blankenship had a rough couple weeks. Got toasted yesterday.