1 hour ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

To the second paragraph, I think the difference in this scenario is that the 2023 defense wasn’t under performing. They just weren’t very good and weren’t overly talented. They had a ton of holes on that defense. Imo the 2025 Eagles offense is under performing considering how much talent is put into on that offense. That’s the main difference from 2023 Eagles defense and the 2025 Eagles offense. Imo coaching the 2023 wasn’t going to make much of an improvement. The talent was lacking. I think better coaching would maximize our offensive talent more. How much? Not sure but i do think it would be better

Yeah it should happen but I don't think it will until the offseason when Lurie and Roseman force the change at OC.

20 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

I'm seeing plenty of beat guys defend Patullo while inferring Sirianni is the problem. Saying things like "Patullo is picking dishes from a menu he didn't build" or "The play caller isn't going to change the scheme." Things like that, that very obviously point to Sirianni. And then some guys who cover the team outright saying it like BLG.

And it's moot anyway because Hurts isn't going anywhere any time soon with that contract.

Patullo was the passing game coordinator for the last FOUR YEARS. He can't design and call plays? Why in the world is he the OC? because he's Siri's friend, just like the last abject failure at OC was. Patullo has to go and Howie has to find a top shelf OC who they can keep for a handful of years.

1 minute ago, eagle45 said:

My Hurts frustration isn't far off yours. And I actually followed Mckee as a fan of his passing before the Eagles even drafted him. But I still don't believe in him. The passing can't get much worse than Hurts right now, but this offense still has 5 years of customization to him, and he to it. There is a 95% chance that throwing a late round pick like Mckee into this meat grinder of a situation will only facilitate the bottom giving way into absolute chaos.

Bill Belichek, Bill Parcells, AR, Sean Mcvay...I bet every one of them benches Jalen Hurts at halftime against the Bears just to see what happens with a more traditional passer in this offense. Siri could get fired. And benching the franchise QB just to see the offense get even worse would get him fired.

Siri will not be fired in the offseason. If he benches Hurts and Mckee sucks, he will be. And if they go with Mckee next year and he's a flop, Siri is a goner then too. Siri's job is safer riding the Hurts express.

If Hurts is the problem and I also believe he is, then I'm certain Nick, Lurie and Howie have had this discussion. Nick is a puppet and will follow what ever the puppet master tells him to do. I do believe there is some truth to the rumors that the FO and coaching staff are not happy with Hurts.

1 minute ago, PoconoDon said:

Patullo was the passing game coordinator for the last FOUR YEARS. He can't design and call plays? Why in the world is he the OC? because he's Siri's friend, just like the last abject failure at OC was. Patullo has to go and Howie has to find a top shelf OC who they can keep for a handful of years.

If they want any hope of maximizing Hurts for another 5 years, they need to replace Sirriani with a HC that can design offense and call plays.

31 minutes ago, ToastJenkins said:

Stupid strawman per usual

Stupid is delaying the decision and neglecting yourself of useful information that could dictate decision making for the rest of the game. It's honestly not that complicated, and yet you of all people, are letting emotions override logic. Ironic.

3 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Patullo was the passing game coordinator for the last FOUR YEARS. He can't design and call plays? Why in the world is he the OC? because he's Siri's friend, just like the last abject failure at OC was. Patullo has to go and Howie has to find a top shelf OC who they can keep for a handful of years.

That only matters if OC has full autonomy of the offense. If you bring in a new OC and he has to run Sirianni's offense, it isn't going to work.

3 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

To my deepest regret, I checked in on Reddit last night before bed which I try to do only like once a month because of how much I hate that site. I have no idea how anybody could ever use that hell site. It's a cesspool. The entire Eagles sub is just 50 FIRE PATULLO posts with the occasional post that will try to offer a more nuanced take talking about someone else doing a poor job, which are all downvoted to 0. A bunch of 12 year olds on there or adult neanderthals foaming at the mouth over Patullo.

Yup. And THAT'S what Dave/Eagles recommended when they shut down the old boards.

Btw, they did that during COVID when people were on lock down and craving connection online.

2 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

That only matters if OC has full autonomy of the offense. If you bring in a new OC and he has to run Sirianni's offense, it isn't going to work.

True, and Moore ran a different offense to what we see now, so autonomy for the OC is clearly possible. It's a point of negotiation during the hiring process. I think Howie would make it happen.

2 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

True, and Moore ran a different offense to what we see now, so autonomy for the OC is clearly possible. It's a point of negotiation during the hiring process. I think Howie would make it happen.

Yeah I think Sirriani will have to give up more control of offense going forward

11 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

If Hurts is the problem and I also believe he is, then I'm certain Nick, Lurie and Howie have had this discussion. Nick is a puppet and will follow what ever the puppet master tells him to do. I do believe there is some truth to the rumors that the FO and coaching staff are not happy with Hurts.

To the last line, I also think there’s some truth to it. How much truth we will not know. There was stuff like that that came out about Carson Wentz, and ultimately that turned out to be somewhat true. Not saying that hurts is Carson Wentz or anything like that. But I tend to believe when some of these stories/rumors are put out there and multiple reporters have had similar stuff in the past leak out that there’s somebody in that front office that is talking that wants it out there.

That said the more and more I think about Jeffrey Lurie going to the practice and talking to AJ Brown personally and telling him you have nothing to apologize for, makes me feel like this coaching staff needs to be worried if they can’t figure this out. Unless he was just trying to be cordial with AJ Brown or he didn’t actually say it (doubt this as multiple reports confirmed it) that feels very much like Jeffrey Lurie is telling him you have nothing to apologize for it because I feel the same way. I think it’s obvious he’s not happy with where the offense is but he didn’t have to say you don’t have to apologize for anything. He could’ve said yeah I accept your apology. I understand your frustration. But that’s not what he said.

15 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Some other odds and ends I had in my notes:

If the Eagles have to choose between keeping one of Jordan Davis or Dean after the season, I'm keeping Dean. Davis went through a stretch earlier in the season where he finally flashed some pass rush chops, but it's not there consistently and I just don't think he's that good. He's a good run stuffing body, but I don't want to pay him what he's going to command. I don't know what keeping Dean does with Campbell and how they have to sort it all out, but I think Dean is a better player than Davis. DT in 2026 is a low key big need. Need another pass rusher to compliment Carter and Ojomo.

Baun has not jumped out nearly as much this season. He's still been good, but almost every week last season he was making some game changing play. A pick, a forced fumble, a key TFL. This year he's still technically sound and still where he needs to be, but very few impact game changing plays.

I have no idea what's up with Mailata this season. Dude's been pancaked multiple times in recent weeks. Is he gonna get some type of an offseason surgery? He said during the offseason it took him a long time to recover, but I remember some reporters saying during camp he was hobbling around and grabbing at his mid section for a large chunk of camp and just didn't look right. And we've seen it carry into the season.

Speaking of which, many beat reporters talked all camp about how the Eagles didn't have a great camp. And that's carried into the season. Usually, when the Eagles have a great camp, they have a great season. They had great camps in 2022 and 2024. Meh camps in 2023 and 2025.

Jake Elliott has fallen off lately after starting the season great. Possibly something to do with Hughlett getting hurt and the long snapper change? Eagles let Lovato go after Elliott's bad 2024 and I always wondered if they blamed Lovato somewhat.

Brandon Graham looks totally washed. I kinda feel bad for him honestly. It reeked of desperation to bring him back. I think I'd honestly rather have Za'Darius unretire at this point. He actually looked good when he played.

Nolan Smith is starting to come around as a pass rusher. Has been more explosive off the edge in recent weeks.

Blankenship had a rough couple weeks. Got toasted yesterday.

I don't take notes or re-watch games, but I agree with all of this (except keeping Davis over Dean). I actually think Davis' role in this defense is underrated. And if Davis walks, we need to draft a DT high. If Dean walks, we simply pivot to our first round investment in Campbell.

But Baun...agreed completely. Mailata...yep.

I've noticed the same with Blankenship. I think he's the general out there. When you put 3-4 other really solid DBs out there, he conducts the orchestra. He's not fast or slick enough in coverage to compensate for being next to crap players like Sydney Brown or behind crap players like Jackson. So he looks bad in these circumstances.

I'm ride or die Nolan Smith fan so I agree.

And Graham...I told everyone he'd be totally washed. He made 2 half decent effort plays against Dallas and has completely looked like a guy off the couch outside of that. He's basically getting snaps for sentimentality at this point. Patrick Johnson would be better.

I think it would be shocking how much better things are with a top offensive HC. Hope we get to find out.

Rather see Uche get snaps instead of Brandon Graham. Think they can straighten out front seven issues. The back end is looking 2023'ish these days. Cooper and Q can't hold the fort playing with 3 guys who are not close to their level. Blankenship is having a bad year. We have 2 black holes now with Adoree and Brown. Letting go of CJGJ, Slay and Rodgers is now seriously taking its toll here. Could have kept 2 of those. Looking bad now. Relied on too many unknowns with Makuba, Brown and Ringo. And knowns like Adoree should not see the field. Had all season to try to fix this obvious issue and hasn't. If the offense were to come around, still will be out on that field too long to matter.

Trading Jalen is actually quite easy from a cap perspective. Only costs the team an extra $671K. That's nothing.

Two problems
1) He's a very specific QB, so not all GMs will want him. I could see a team like Pittsburgh loving him though.

2) He has a no-trade clause I believe for the entirety of the contract. The length of the no-trade wasn't confirmed, but if he doesn't want to leave he won't.

54 minutes ago, DeathByEagle said:

I'd be interested to see the avg pocket time Hurts has this season compared to the NFL. In the past he has been #1 in pocket time. This year the pass protection does not seam horrible but wonder what the stats say.

Pro-Football-Reference.com

2025 NFL Advanced Stats | Pro-Football-Reference.com

PktTime- Average time the QB had in the pocket between the snap and throwing the ball or pressure collapses the pocket, in seconds

From 2.0-2.5 seconds

We're at 2.4. Tied with 12 other teams

Bears are at 2.3 tied with 6 other teams

Still 8-4. A win vs. the Chargers and everything should be fine and dandy as far as winning the division goes.

That being said… the only things that changed on offense this year were the play caller and RG. Everyone else is the same, and all of them (except Smith) look like they’ve lost a step or are playing hurt.

5 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

I don't take notes or re-watch games, but I agree with all of this (except keeping Davis over Dean). I actually think Davis' role in this defense is underrated. And if Davis walks, we need to draft a DT high. If Dean walks, we simply pivot to our first round investment in Campbell.

But Baun...agreed completely. Mailata...yep.

I've noticed the same with Blankenship. I think he's the general out there. When you put 3-4 other really solid DBs out there, he conducts the orchestra. He's not fast or slick enough in coverage to compensate for being next to crap players like Sydney Brown or behind crap players like Jackson. So he looks bad in these circumstances.

I'm ride or die Nolan Smith fan so I agree.

And Graham...I told everyone he'd be totally washed. He made 2 half decent effort plays against Dallas and has completely looked like a guy off the couch outside of that. He's basically getting snaps for sentimentality at this point. Patrick Johnson would be better.

The thing with Davis is this, I don’t think he’s gonna be back after 2026. (Don’t believe Dean is back after this year either). I really don’t see the Eagles paying Jalen Carter and Jordan Davis big money at defensive tackle. Can say don’t think Davis is going to make big money on next contract but i think it’s more likely it’s a price the eagles may not want to pay. Imo kind of think Jordan Davis is likely walking at the end of 2026 and they’re going to look for his replacement in the draft.

As for Baun, I think it’s kind of unrealistic to expect baun every year to play like 2024. Imo was an all-time season for LB. I don’t think he’s Fred Werner or Patrick Willis. He was all pro every week. He has been good.

Curious to see what they do with Blankenship. He’s not been as good as past years. He hasn’t been bad but he also hasn’t been what he was in 2024. I’d like to get an extension done with him. Because it only creates another hole if you don’t and I think he’s competent at that position. Plus, I think when Mukuba gets to year 2, they’ll be more familiarity. So I don’t think Blankenship will try to compensate for a Mukuba who was on a learning curve. Brown sucks so it’s hard to put anyone with him. Tbh brown really shouldn’t be back next year unless he actually shows something next 5 weeks which i doubt.

With Graham, i rather just play uche. Uche hasn’t played cause of Graham and frankly with Phillips here can use uche as a backup. Love BG but coming out of retirement looks like a mistake.

People who weren't blinded by fandom knew that BG wasn't going to do much

2 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People who weren't blinded by fandom knew that BG wasn't going to do much

At the time, Smith was out and Phillips wasn’t acquired. It was never going to hurt anything, especially on early downs.

Either way, Brandon Graham not being the contributor some expected is about number 69 on the Eagles list of problems.

4 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People who weren't blinded by fandom knew that BG wasn't going to do much

Tbh i think if they knew they were getting Phillips, i kind of think they’d have stayed the course with uche, smith, hunt and Phillips. Got Phillips November 3. BG came out of retirement Oct 21. However i do think part of him coming out of retirement was for leadership aspect. Not just on field

46 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Patullo was the passing game coordinator for the last FOUR YEARS. He can't design and call plays? Why in the world is he the OC? because he's Siri's friend, just like the last abject failure at OC was. Patullo has to go and Howie has to find a top shelf OC who they can keep for a handful of years.

Define passing game coordinator, please. Somebody, anybody, tell us what Patullo actually did before. All we’ve ever heard was he "helps out in the QB room and WR room.” All he’s ever been good for is "helping out.”

46 minutes ago, PoconoDon said:

Patullo was the passing game coordinator for the last FOUR YEARS. He can't design and call plays? Why in the world is he the OC? because he's Siri's friend, just like the last abject failure at OC was. Patullo has to go and Howie has to find a top shelf OC who they can keep for a handful of years.

TBH if they decide to make a change at OC they should offer the next OC a "co-head coach” position so that he won’t be pried away by another team if they make it to or win another Super Bowl

3 minutes ago, EaglePhan1986 said:

At the time, Smith was out and Phillips wasn’t acquired. It was never going to hurt anything, especially on early downs.

Either way, Brandon Graham not being the contributor some expected is about number 69 on the Eagles list of problems.

Who all was available? It probably would have been better to pick anyone that wasn't closing in on 40 years old

9 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

People who weren't blinded by fandom knew that BG wasn't going to do much

In fairness to BG this is basically the end of training camp for him and the beginning of pre-season.

55 minutes ago, NOTW said:

Yup. And THAT'S what Dave/Eagles recommended when they shut down the old boards.

Btw, they did that during COVID when people were on lock down and craving connection online.

Dave didn't want recommend it on his own. He was directed to do so. Sometimes you gotta do things you don't love doing to keep a job. NFL said no more team chat boards we are aligned with Reddit. Spread the word and Dave, as the creator of all things Eagles message board and early Eagles website, did what was required of his job.