11 minutes ago, Ace Nova said:

TBH if they decide to make a change at OC they should offer the next OC a "co-head coach” position so that he won’t be pried away by another team if they make it to or win another Super Bowl

Your co-head coach thing in theory sounds great, but in reality, it is creates other issues and still doesn’t prevent a coach from leaving

First, Nick Sirianni has fangio running that defense. I don’t think Siriani has much input with the defense. Fangio is essentially a HC of the defensive unit. So essentially you’d be making sirianni more hands off on offense and just CEO figure and game management. I am guessing Nick sirianni, who’s won a Super Bowl and been to two Super Bowls is not gonna be thrilled about this idea. Probably better off just moving on from sirianni if you want that.

Second, it’s a weird dynamic when there’s a critical moment in the game and one of them thinks they have more power than the other. Then does what he wants and oversteps their role, and the other gets furious that they didn’t listen to their input or took liberties. So you’re creating a dynamic potentially is combustible in the coaching staff

Third, even if that dynamic worked out, what is to prevent another team from coming to your co-head coach and saying we want to make you full-time head coach. If I watch the Eagles and I know when Nick Sirianni doesn’t have a good OC the offense struggles. it looks stale and predictable. Doesn’t function at an elite level. so my belief is I’m gonna go after the other co-head coach because he’s the one that’s making it great again. If I’m an organization, I’m gonna offer him a promotion to full-time head coach. we will pay him as much if not more than what the Philadelphia Eagles are willing to offer you as a co-head coach. He’s very likely gonna wind up leaving.

I do think that Vic is likely safe if they were to can KP and Nick

Whoever the next HC is would have to be ok with that. Though I assume the new HC would likely be the playcaller on offense. I seriously doubt Lurie/Howie want another CEO HC with a revolving door at OC again

3 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

This is coaching. I just refuse to believe this is the best option they have

Perfect example of one of at least seven things that can be changed to make the O better. And THEY KNOW IT because they reduced Calc's snaps from 40 to like 15 a game ago, right? And WE KNOW they have other options. Use the 6th man. Use Latu.

And yet, they keep a guy on the field that they don't throw to and can't block in line. At all. Crazy ish.

So yeah, really bad coaching. Really bad.

1 minute ago, Mike030270 said:

I do think that Vic is likely safe if they were to can KP and Nick

Whoever the next HC is would have to be ok with that. Though I assume the new HC would likely be the playcaller on offense. I seriously doubt Lurie/Howie want another CEO HC with a revolving door at OC again

Tend to believe Fangio and his staff would remain. Believe the hired schwartz to be DC before hiring Doug. And stoutland would as long as he wants to coach.

3 hours ago, ManuManu said:

Dean is much better against the run than Campbell. Of course Fangio wouldn’t decided to sit him for Campbell while getting gashed. It would have been worse.

How about a few snaps to give Dean rest? f'ing stupid not to. How about to send Dean a message like you sucked on the last series. Do better or sit. Soft as marshmellows.

1 hour ago, eagle45 said:

Patullo IS a bad OC. Too many people have shown too much evidence of things he has done (and not done).

But WHY do we have a bad OC? When you have a CEO HC, your OC will always be in flux, either due to success (HC promotion) or failure (fired). Continuity just isn't an option.

And...let's be honest with ourselves here...there's a reason Jalen Hurts has had a new play caller every year of his football life and the answer isn't bad luck.

2 of his 3 NFL OCs were promoted for being so successful.

Brian Johnson was fired (in retrospect he was better than Patullo). Hurts passing numbers in most categories in 2023 were actually better than 2022 except for INTs.

Patullo this offseason...?

The bad news is the defense hasn't played well. The good news is their contract extensions might not be as inflated as originally thought. Jordan Davis might get the biggest bag at this point. I need more from Jalen Carter. Love when he's on fire. He's just not consistent yet and it's safe to ask if he ever will be. Reed Blankenship wants a big contract, but he should get average starting safety money. Nolan Smith confuses the hell out of me. What's his value? Is he worth more in a trade to a team who uses him differently? I'm still paying Dean. Jaelen Phillips has cooled off, but I still want to keep him around.

4 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Tend to believe Fangio and his staff would remain. Believe the hired schwartz to be DC before hiring Doug. And stoutland would as long as he wants to coach.

I don't think Stout is getting enough blame. He's dealing with injuries at Oline but he's also marching out guys that clearly shouldn't be playing. Also the run game has sucked and he's the run game coordinator. There hasn't been adjustments for the injured players. It's like business as usual although business isn't doing well

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

I agree with your first part of your post, Howie is to blame

He should have traded Hurts in 2023 offseason after the Superbowl. His trade market would have been very high and we would not be stuck with his massive contract. My suggestion that year was to trade him and move up to draft CJ Stroud. Stroud on this team would dominate and no lucrative contract holding back from resigning playmakers. Hurts is a good runner but a horrible QB. Not to mention he just sounds like a complete moron.

Made me chuckle. CJ Stroud is horrible. Outside of his rookie year, he has not been a good QB

1 hour ago, DeathByEagle said:

I agree with your first part of your post, Howie is to blame

He should have traded Hurts in 2023 offseason after the Superbowl. His trade market would have been very high and we would not be stuck with his massive contract. My suggestion that year was to trade him and move up to draft CJ Stroud. Stroud on this team would dominate and no lucrative contract holding back from resigning playmakers. Hurts is a good runner but a horrible QB. Not to mention he just sounds like a complete moron.

The good news is, we're about to see a reset of talent at the QB position in college football. A lot can change over the course of a few years, especially with the constant turnover with transfers now, but there are some very promising lower class QB prospects that could be targeted in 2 years or so.

1 hour ago, HazletonEagle said:

If he is the main problem (and he is) then the 65 million dead cap to trade him is money well spent. When you consider we are likely so spend a similar amount to trade AJ which will only make us worse and still stuck with the same QB...

Starting McKee with this team likely puts us back in the super bowl hunt.

He played like an MVP with Steichen. I'd like to see him with an OC who has full autonomy and who knows how to construct a functional passing offense.

11 minutes ago, Mike030270 said:

I don't think Stout is getting enough blame. He's dealing with injuries at Oline but he's also marching out guys that clearly shouldn't be playing. Also the run game has sucked and he's the run game coordinator. There hasn't been adjustments for the injured players. It's like business as usual although business isn't doing well

I think they give him an off year. this would really be the first time his offensive line has failed them besides 2020 when the entire OL basically collapsed.

7 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

He played like an MVP with Steichen. I'd like to see him with an OC who has full autonomy and who knows how to construct a functional passing offense.

Steichen made the best use of Hurts, he's coaching Daniel Jones to much improved over his time in NY.

QBs have strengths & weaknesses. Coaches job is to coach to their players strengths.

1 minute ago, NOTW said:

Steichen made the best use of Hurts, he's coaching Daniel Jones to much improved over his time in NY.

QBs have strengths & weaknesses. Coaches job is to coach to their players strengths.

There in lies the biggest issue. This offensive coaching staff doesn’t maximize the personnel and talent they have. They routinely misuse it.

And we might be back to the blitz thing in 2023…

Would’ve really liked for someone to gotten in the bears defenders face and showed some Fight for your teammate/qb

2 hours ago, Sack that QB said:

Stoutland belongs in that. I really started to focus on the OL the last few games and I can assure you that it isn't just because of injuries. Several times vs the Bears alone you had OL blocking the wrong man. One was even pointed out on the broadcast. Stoutland university is Ursinus this year.

Hey Hey. I actually took a few grad classes at Ursinus. Was not too bad. Lol

2 hours ago, DeathByEagle said:

I'd be interested to see the avg pocket time Hurts has this season compared to the NFL. In the past he has been #1 in pocket time. This year the pass protection does not seam horrible but wonder what the stats say.

For time to throw only Purdy, McCarthy and Williams have a longer time.

6 minutes ago, manz2821 said:

Hey Hey. I actually took a few grad classes at Ursinus. Was not too bad. Lol

Ursinus! Man, when we played them they had a RB who was something like 5'3". A pain in the you know what to tackle.

45 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Your co-head coach thing in theory sounds great, but in reality, it is creates other issues and still doesn’t prevent a coach from leaving

First, Nick Sirianni has fangio running that defense. I don’t think Siriani has much input with the defense. Fangio is essentially a HC of the defensive unit. So essentially you’d be making sirianni more hands off on offense and just CEO figure and game management. I am guessing Nick sirianni, who’s won a Super Bowl and been to two Super Bowls is not gonna be thrilled about this idea. Probably better off just moving on from sirianni if you want that.

Second, it’s a weird dynamic when there’s a critical moment in the game and one of them thinks they have more power than the other. Then does what he wants and oversteps their role, and the other gets furious that they didn’t listen to their input or took liberties. So you’re creating a dynamic potentially is combustible in the coaching staff

Third, even if that dynamic worked out, what is to prevent another team from coming to your co-head coach and saying we want to make you full-time head coach. If I watch the Eagles and I know when Nick Sirianni doesn’t have a good OC the offense struggles. it looks stale and predictable. Doesn’t function at an elite level. so my belief is I’m gonna go after the other co-head coach because he’s the one that’s making it great again. If I’m an organization, I’m gonna offer him a promotion to full-time head coach. we will pay him as much if not more than what the Philadelphia Eagles are willing to offer you as a co-head coach. He’s very likely gonna wind up leaving.

It’s not a "weird dynamic”. Sirianni has basically admitted to being a "ceo” type head coach - at least he was last year.

It’s simple - "This is your new co-head coach Siri - he handles the offense and the playcalling. You handle what you handled back in 2024 when we won the Super Bowl.”

Pretty simple, really.

I say it’s time to bring in Nick Foles as an offensive consultant.

Everyone can make lists of all the problems. Some recognize there are many different issues. Some harp on only 1 or 2 and ignore the rest.

In any organization, the leadership/CEO is ultimately responsible for everything.

A CEO Head Coach is fine. They game plan, set culture, make major decisions.

The team is mismanaging the roster (TE use, no carries for Tank e.g.), committing a lot of penalties that aren't because of bad refs, putting out walking wounded O linemen that are a liability.

Any problem you can list on the team...what is the CEO Head Coach doing about it? They've gotten worse as the year has gone on.

Howie built a championship roster, one that is capable of a dynasty in the right hands. Despite the issues at CB2, safety and Edge, the roster on paper is still a top in the NFL, which overall is not elite.

Hurts has his weakness, and a good offensive coach with this roster would maximize the talent.

Siri had Philip Rivers toward the end of his career, his numbers and performance were essentially the same before Siri, who had Reich as a HC.

Reich, who managed to reshape the offense in 2 weeks going from Wentz to Foles to help them win a Super Bowl.

People will criticize Hurts saying he needs everything around him to be great.

Time for that conversation with Siri. He needs top experienced coordinators, top NFL roster, beast O line and run game to be successful.

He should be able to coach them to be more disciplined, reduce penalties & mistakes, and manage roster decisions. Special teams mental mistakes, using Copper to return kicks, bad game management decisions, loads of penalties, Howie finds a great #2 RB in Tank and they're not using him, poor use of the TE personnel, overly conservative but then randomly stupidly aggressive. Not to mention his immaturity and taunting behaviors.

If he can't do the basics of a CEO HC, and the offense is only good with a good OC, and the defense went from worst to great with Fangio & Howie's drafting...

Then you have to look at the Head Coach. Patullo sucks, Hurts has awful games, AJ has the most penalties of the offense and complains, etc.etc. What is the leader of the team doing about any of it? Nothings changed, it's actually gotten worse.

16 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Would’ve really liked for someone to gotten in the bears defenders face and showed some Fight for your teammate/qb

Especially with Dickerson right there. He’s basically giving Jalen the Nelson Muntz ha ha

19 minutes ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Would’ve really liked for someone to gotten in the bears defenders face and showed some Fight for your teammate/qb

Genuinely not trying to stir up another Hurts thing, but have our players ever defended him? I think back to when Foles got hit against Washington and Jason Peters took on the entire sideline.

I'm not saying it's never happened, but I can't recall a time.

1 minute ago, Swoop said:

Genuinely not trying to stir up another Hurts thing, but have our players ever defended him? I think back to when Foles got hit against Washington and Jason Peters took on the entire sideline.

I'm not saying it's never happened, but I can't recall a time.

Tough. Detailed. Together.