12 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

It was new for teams to try to defend.

Chip Kelly was running them as the foundation of his entire offense a decade earlier, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Just to add to the Hurts doesn’t want to run thing. Sounds like it’s a mutual decision.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

Chip Kelly was running them as the foundation of his entire offense a decade earlier, but why let facts get in the way of a good rant.

Teams figured it out then too.

Then the eagles brought it back for Foles' super bowl run and it worked.

Then it was the entire Hurts offense, and teams again adjusted.

11 hours ago, HazletonEagle said:

The point was less about Hurts though

And yet you still found a way to make it about him.

1 minute ago, we_gotta_believe said:

And yet you still found a way to make it about him.

And you are making another one of your days about me. Speaking of obsessing...

1 minute ago, HazletonEagle said:

And you are making another one of your days about me. Speaking of obsessing...

"They had success in 2022 because the RPOs were new and defenses hadn't seen them before!"

10 hours ago, pgcd3 said:

That’s ok because 2024 Jalen Hurts won the Super Bowl and was awarded MVP of the game. That definitively proved people here wrong but they can’t accept that so they’re prattling on blaming Hurts for everything under the sun

I'm old enough to remember when people said running QBs couldn't win a Super Bowl.

I'm still of one mindset in that, I never thought I would be alive or live long enough to see this team win one Super Bowl, let alone two so I have much gratitude.....but man o man....is this team infuriating. I know that luck, matchups in the playoffs, refs, team all play a part. But I think as fans, when the team itself is self-sabotaging.....potentially giving away chances at Super Bowls....THAT is what f'ing annoys us!

6 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

"They had success in 2022 because the RPOs were new and defenses hadn't seen them before!"

I didnt say they hadnt seen them before.

Chip Kelly proved the offense couldnt work long term but had success for a whole year.

Doug and his staff were credited for adapting them and it obviously propelled us through the super bowl run. That was a short term thing.

Then they tried it again once Hurts became the starter. It worked for 1 year and then defenses adjusted to it again.

12 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

Teams figured it out then too.

Oh so it was figured out for a decade, but then Steichen did the Men in Black mind wipe and made the defenses forget how to defend it for a year. Looks like he's back to his old tricks in Indy with his mind wiping again to cheat his way into leading the league in offense. That silly Shane, always the trickster. Incorrigible.

Just now, we_gotta_believe said:

Oh so it was figured out for a decade, but then Steichen did the Men in Black mind wipe and made the defenses forget how to defend it for a year. Looks like he's back to his old tricks in Indy with his mind wiping again to cheat his way into leading the league in offense. That silly Shane, always the trickster. Incorrigible.

man... you really are dumb.

9 minutes ago, NYEagle said:

I'm still of one mindset in that, I never thought I would be alive or live long enough to see this team win one Super Bowl, let alone two so I have much gratitude.....but man o man....is this team infuriating. I know that luck, matchups in the playoffs, refs, team all play a part. But I think as fans, when the team itself is self-sabotaging.....potentially giving away chances at Super Bowls....THAT is what f'ing annoys us!

Totally agree. I think being highly critical of this year's team is warranted and fair. But minimizing history and taking away from the accomplishments of less than 10 months ago is moronic.

10 hours ago, LeanMeanGM said:

It’s a Monday.

Chargers seem to match up pretty well with what they want to do vs what we do. But they are also a Jekyll and Hyde team. I have no idea what to expect.

If this season is going to go the way collapses typically go, then it feels like a game where they come out and play much better, but still find a way to lose it in a gut punch way at the end. And then the feeling after the game is "Damn, they correct X and Y and still lost, they really can’t stop the bleeding.”

And then they’ll come out dejected and lifeless against the Raiders. And probably still win because the Raiders are just that awful, but look really bad doing it. And that’s kind of the moment where everyone in the city completely checks out.

…if this season were to be a collapse season, that’s the way it’ll probably go. Come out and win that game though and the chances of blowing the division are very slim.

25 minutes ago, we_gotta_believe said:

I'm old enough to remember when people said running QBs couldn't win a Super Bowl.

It's the dumbest bit at this point. Hurts won the Super Bowl. And he played very well in 2 Super Bowls. It doesn't even matter what happens from this point on because the Hurts haters were definitively proven wrong.

3 minutes ago, pgcd3 said:

It's the dumbest bit at this point. Hurts won the Super Bowl. And he played very well in 2 Super Bowls. It doesn't even matter what happens from this point on because the Hurts haters were definitively proven wrong.

It matters bigly, because the day is coming very soon when he wont have the same talent around him. His OL is already deteriorating. And the WR corps will not always be this good. Salary cap dictates that this level of talent wont last.

What then?

50 minutes ago, ManuManu said:

Just to add to the Hurts doesn’t want to run thing. Sounds like it’s a mutual decision.

He is a problem

So I might as well declare this. I say this meekly. I don't know that I'm right. I don't need you all to see this issue the way I do, as the vast majority are heavily blaming coaches and OL and giving Hurts a soft bronze in the blame game, just acknowledging that he isn't playing well over the past month.

It has become my opinion that Jalen Hurts is the primary problem in this offense. In this chicken and egg debate of bad coaching leading to a simplistic offense (chicken) versus they are doing that out of necessity due to Hurts limitations (egg), I officially vote egg.

I doubted Hurts before 2022 happened. I doubted him when our passing offense was nonexistent halfway through 2024....and I'm officially on that bus now. So be happy...maybe that means a big turnaround is coming. I don't need to pound my fist to the table to make everyone else see it that way, but I can't help my opinion at the moment. I really think the problem is Hurts and his inability to pass at a basic NFL starter level right now.

Did anything come out about Jaelan Phillips? He had that weird interaction with a player helping him to the sideline and calling over a trainer. But nothing looked bad in replay. Kinda looked like he was favoring his wrist or shoulder.

9 minutes ago, LeanMeanGM said:

Did anything come out about Jaelan Phillips? He had that weird interaction with a player helping him to the sideline and calling over a trainer. But nothing looked bad in replay. Kinda looked like he was favoring his wrist or shoulder.

Looked like he got his bell rung and had trouble walking off because he was dizzy. When I first saw it I thought concussion protocol. But no one said anything.

8 hours ago, e-a-g-l-e-s eagles! said:

Pure brilliance

Calcaterra can't block. He is supposed to be a receiving TE, but if they don't pass to DG, then the 2nd TE won't be much a factor. Granson is supposed to be the blocking TE. But they seemed to have forgot him. Use a back-up OL as blocker may work better now.

The TE group will be overhauled in the off-season. Need new blood to boost the production. Will DG go for another season to ease the introduction of new TEs? The succession has not been executed properly IMHO.

16 minutes ago, eagle45 said:

So I might as well declare this. I say this meekly. I don't know that I'm right. I don't need you all to see this issue the way I do, as the vast majority are heavily blaming coaches and OL and giving Hurts a soft bronze in the blame game, just acknowledging that he isn't playing well over the past month.

It has become my opinion that Jalen Hurts is the primary problem in this offense. In this chicken and egg debate of bad coaching leading to a simplistic offense (chicken) versus they are doing that out of necessity due to Hurts limitations (egg), I officially vote egg.

I doubted Hurts before 2022 happened. I doubted him when our passing offense was nonexistent halfway through 2024....and I'm officially on that bus now. So be happy...maybe that means a big turnaround is coming. I don't need to pound my fist to the table to make everyone else see it that way, but I can't help my opinion at the moment. I really think the problem is Hurts and his inability to pass at a basic NFL starter level right now.

I remember when they got AJ and Devonta and people were like "Hurts has no more excuses now."

Then they got Barkley. At that point they still sucked trying to be a passing team then pivoted to a running focused offense and boom.....Hurts was riding coat tails to the Super Bowl and getting the occasional downfield throw.

Now that the O-line has regressed this season as has Barkley...Hurts is showing again he cannot carry a team or even be a semi-competent QB.

If they want to win with Hurts then they need an All-pro oline and RB...that's all.

30 minutes ago, HazletonEagle said:

It matters bigly, because the day is coming very soon when he wont have the same talent around him. His OL is already deteriorating. And the WR corps will not always be this good. Salary cap dictates that this level of talent wont last.

What then?

So your thesis is you want a QB who thrives when he has a bad OL and mediocre WRs?

1 minute ago, pgcd3 said:

So your thesis is you want a QB who thrives when he has a bad OL and mediocre WRs?

If you need to exaggerate someone else's position to make yours look stronger, youve already lost. Nice try.

5 minutes ago, Sack that QB said:

Looked like he got his bell rung and had trouble walking off because he was dizzy. When I first saw it I thought concussion protocol. But no one said anything.

If I remember correctly, Monangai popped him right in the chin. That RB does things right; runs hard, takes what’s there, literally doesn’t fumble, punches above his weight in pass pro.